Thursday, March 23, 2006

Hildale firm hit with fine of $10,395 for child labor

A construction company in Hildale has been fined $10,395 for using boys, including a 12-year-old, to do roofing work. The firm, Paragon Contractors, also failed to pay the boys, according to the U.S. Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division. Paragon, owned by Brian Jessop, had two boys, ages 12 and 13, working on residential home construction jobs in 2005. Federal law prohibits youth under age 14 from working in nonagricultural jobs. Those boys and a 15-year-old were found working on a roof, the department said, in violation of a law that sets the minimum age at 18 for such hazardous work. The older boy also was observed operating a table saw, another violation of youth employment regulations. Minors under 18 are not allowed to operate power-driven circular saws, band saws and guillotine shears, the department said in news release. The department ordered Paragon to pay the boys $3,296 in back wages, which it agreed to do. But the firm is appealing the penalty assessed by the Labor Department. A man who answered the telephone at Paragon said Jessop was unavailable and no one else at the company would care to comment on the case. Hildale and the adjoining community of Colorado City, Ariz., are home to the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a polygamous sect that follows early teachings of LDS Church founder Joseph Smith.

54 comments:

fundytoo said...

So? Would it be better if they sat around played video games and watched TV all day? Letting your kids do that is worse abuse in my book.

Chris

Jax said...

How about they go to school like normal kids?

I helped my dad build our house, but I wasn't doing it professionally at a young age... So my dad's business could underbid companies with legitmate labor...

fundy said...

Well my thought is you have illegal aliens working at all these jobs in St.George and they don't seem to ever say ANYTHING about that.

fundy said...

Selective enforcement.

fundytoo said...

Jax-
How do you know they aren't being home-schooled? It is possible to work AND learn all at the same time. You don't have to pick.

Chris

Anonymous said...

Paragon is right at the top of companies that support WJ with more than 20K a month. Alot of the young boys leave school at 14 or 15. Because they get in challenges with girls or the teachers. This is actually normal for CC. As a matter of fact, I bet every company from CC has a few underage employees. I don't think that is bad, but having them in dangerous situations is. They can run a shovel or a hammer, but up on the roof? Common Sense needs inforced.

Anonymous said...

Kids as young as 12 and 13 working for FLDS companies has been going on for decades. The biggest problem is that they are almost always forced to leave school at an earlu ageg to work. Which is why so many individuals from the FLDS have a sub-8th grade education. Which in turn makes it very difficult for them to find good jobs or function in the world outside the FLDS. Which gives Warren even more power over them. Furhermore, I've talked to many boys who were forced to work at an early age and then were never paid even the low wages promised to them. This is and was standard practice in Short Creek, at Western Precision in Salt Lake County, and in Canada--where Winston was one of the worst offenders. Wink would force young boys to do very dangerous work in his logging operation and then pay them almost nothing.

Jax said...

How do you know they aren't being home-schooled? It is possible to work AND learn all at the same time. You don't have to pick.

Because, this is the FLDS we're talking about, and we know they're not being homeschooled.

Anonymous said...

would be great if they were doing both but let me tell you they are not. There are so many of these youth who are not able to complete schooling and then have to rely on others. It is sad.

Anonymous said...

Okay, so maybe they are just 12 years old.

But they have five years' experience!

ex creeker said...

To bad they won't get the wages either. They will cash the check and give it to Brian or WJ. They would feel guilty if they kept money the goverment made Brian (WJ)pay them. It is all God's money anyway , right.

Anonymous said...

You keep talking about young boys being "forced" to work.

Could you please explain that a little more?

I have boys, and I can't even "force" them to pick up their own laundry and put it in the hamper!

Anonymous said...

first they scream they are all retarded. Then they scream they are working them. what will you scream next? sounds like some people in government need a job.

Anonymous said...

It is not really as bad as they say. It is worse.

They can get a decent job when they get in the real world. Because all of them do.

What they don't realize, is that they are stuck doing what ever framing, or type of construction for the next twenty years and they can't read or write over a fifth grade level. That will always hold you back from being a foreman, even if you know all the phases.

Anonymous said...

Forced!

Well, It is a matter of opinion. If you can't afford groceries, tissue and shampoo and the moms and sisters are grouchy all the time. You wouldn't want to be home either. 'Sides that you get food and travel benefits.

Hmmm easy choice, I think I would want to get a job at 12 too. Actually, I think I was driving at 12 and had a job. It was a relief!

Anonymous said...

Carpenters!

Who needs 'em?

Who ever heard of a carpenter who ever made anything of himself?

Being a carpenter's son really puts you at some kind of disadvantage.

Anonymous said...

first they scream they are all retarded. Then they scream they are working them. what will you scream next? sounds like some people in government need a job.

The crikers need to get over their persicution complex. How about this... Stop abusing your children. How's that for a novel idea. See, people don't really care if you abuse each other, but when you bring your kids into the mix, then people get pissed off....

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
Carpenters! Who needs 'em? Who ever heard of a carpenter who ever made anything of himself?
3/24/2006 6:04 PM

STREET's Reply: I THINK THE CARPENTER, JESUS CHRIST, MADE SOMETHING VERY GREAT OF HIMSELF, WHETHER YOU DO OR NOT. I GUESS IF YOU CALL CRUCIFICTION A DISADVANTAGE, YOU'D BE RIGHT. OTHERWISE, NOT.

3/24/2006 9:28 PM:
Are you saying that there's no such thing as persecution, that ALL WHO ARE persecuted are in fact delusional? All Jews have faced strong persecution, and the FLDS people are Jews, that is, of the House of Israel. Also, the world is very well aware that what they call "polygamists" have been continually persecuted as well.

Was not Joseph Smith persecuted. I'd call Murder persecution. Were not the Mormons DRIVEN out of society, and forced into Indian Territory? It's all a matter of history. I'd call that persecution.

Was not John Taylor and the whole Mormon Church confiscated and driven into hiding? That's a matter of history, and I'd call that persecution.

Were not the FLDS imprisoned continually from 1886 until 2006, for their religion and their long-recognized spiritual marriages, what you call "sex with a minor"? I'd call that persecution. Christ began his "Father's Business" as age 12, and Mary was 12 when she conceived him. That has been proved in this blog, and the Aimoo Forum.

If anyone has a persecution COMPLEX, the way Americans form mobs, unions, and complain continually over their governments and their wages and everything else, NOW THAT'S A COMPLEX. With terrorism, continual natural disasters, wars, and pandemics now facing America, you can now claim your persecution. That would be true, and worthy of our prayers.

Anonymous said...

In all do respect to the FLDS, I come from a farming/ranching community in Texas. Its not at all unusual to see a 12 year on a horse working sheep or cows. Far that matter its not unusual to see a 12 year old kid driving a 200,000 dollar cotton stripper. Most of the kids here work long hours on the farm or ranch. Marking lambs can be considered hazardous by labor standards but my son has been doing it since he was old enough to pick up a lamb. Its what makes rural kids a cut above the rest. They learn to work, improvise, learn important life long skill early. Lets not get hypocritical about teaching kids work ethics here.

Anonymous said...

Thank you good Texan. Work in vital to life. Carpenters and farmers are the great things of America that needs to be honored. I do not think if all were living in a big City and there was no farmers or carpenters or ranchers, where would the great City people get there stuff. There has to be work done. America needs to remember the greatness of America. Think of the Pioneer's who did not think it was a disadvantage to work. Thank you Texan. Work is great. I have been working since i was walking. I am glad the government was not a bear in my youth. I love work. I can not imagine what would have happened if my parents would have gotten a fine for me working. How bizzare!

Anonymous said...

It is bad enough that the government was involved in my life when i was thirty five. I may have a career myself if the government had kept their drugs on the street, instead of forcing me to be an adict. Maybe I could have even gotten me a job, if they had not been stupid. And they punish people for work now..............
No wonder Marijauna is so available here. No one cares unless you suceed.

I guess the headlines could read:::: work is punishable with fines;; drugs are free..........That is Arizonia law.

I am glad that Texas at least lets people work and do not force them on drugs........... Glory to one state in America

Anonymous said...

maybe Texans do not steal private property and claim they are helping. Maybe that is what is wrong with this area. Arizonia and Utah feel like they are the banditoes now. Free drugs. Free stolen land. Only work is punishable.............Lets take care of the lost boys, but by damb; fine the workers......Good ol' big boy government............

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, I don't buy your excuse for drug use. The use of drugs is not forced upon you or anyone else except as a choice YOU made. If you want to leave that lifestyle YOU must make necessry decisions to change. No one else can do it for you. I'll bet YOU CAN'T QUIT. Why? You don't want to and it's no ones fault but your own. Now go cry on someone elses shoulder.

CHRH said...

Farming is such a lifestyle that it practically requires young men to work. What we're talking about in C.C. is something much different. Drive around and you are bound to see a 12 year old in a backhoe, a loader, a road-grader, even a diesel. These boys are deprived of school in most cases and sent to work on construction crews to support their father's family. Now I see no problem in pulling your weight in a family, but if you're reason for working is to ensure that the Escalade pmt. gets made, thats a problem. I would be interested to see a statistic on how many underage boys have been injured or killed doing illegal work in C.C. I think the numbers would startle us. The problem is they cover it up.

Anonymous said...

You are wrong, 3,09 poster. I am not on drugs any longer. I was forced and the first chance i got i went off cold turkey. I almost died from this. I was forced on these drugs for five years. I had to do this on my own. Then those stupid government people started saying, "Oh you are getting better." Soon i shall recover enough to get me a job. I think that work is important. There are not very many people in this area who can not read and write. There are not very many who are stupid; if any. I think the government needs a job............I mean a real one, besides oppressing people.

Anonymous said...

3;49
and you also speak in fables. work is good for people. The only cover up is government folly............and failure of this government to investigate abuse when it is reported.......and crimnal's roam.................... And they have court cases behind peoples backs and public kidnappings. And frankly, I do not know any one who was killed working. And every death is investigated........ so again your complaint is really pointed at the government too....

CHRH said...

Ok, what about the Steed kid killed in Garrison Nev. driving a water truck? Did he have a CDL, was he even old enough to get one? Explain that one.

Anonymous said...

Where's Garrison, NV?

Anonymous said...

Yeah it's funny how these people don't even care about their kids safety or health. Birth defects and child labor. I've never heard of a kid getting hurt or killed watching TV or playing video games in and of themselves. I agree with kids working a little but safety should be important. I guess it doesn't matter with them because they can just get another wife pregnant and have another kid to replace it. Am I right?

CHRH said...

Garrison is right near the Nevada/Utah border. About 60 miles south of Ely, Nevada (not that that helps)

In response to 8:01. I don't know. It's seems strange. I wholeheartedly believe that the FLDS (everyone besides Warren and his hierarchy) put a premium on human life. But they seem to lack common sense when it comes to these things. Plus, this sounds strange, but I think the fathers get a kick out of their sons operating machinery, working on construction sites. In a strange way, they live vicariously through them. Plus, when thats the only future they have ahead of them they think it makes sense to teach them young. I don't know how many college grads they have, but I would guess somewhere around 5% of the male and female adults in C.C. are.

fundytoo said...

Anon 8:01-
What kind of blithering idiot are you? You think they don't train their kids how to use the stuff or use safety measures? I don't see that mentioned anywhere in the article...just that they were working. You are a beastly individual to suggest that if one of their kids should die they wouldn't care. You should be ashamed of yourself!!

Chris

onthestreet said...

Ohhh, you cry-babies. Like I said before, how come you're wearing a bed-sheet around your ass...Oh, I'm sorry, that's your diaper. Jolly good, then. Carry on kids, and keep your sand boxes tidy, will ya? Then I'll give you all some cookies and milk, if you can handle that without croaking on it.

No child ever croaked on work. Yes, accidents might happen with a child. Do not accidents also happen with adults. Okay, so outlaw ALL work, and families, and life itself, if you want to be consistent.

onthestreet said...

You're right, fundytoo.

Anonymous said...

I'm not going to eplain myself to someone who CLEARLY doesn't understand sarcasm. ROLLS HER EYES in disgust!

Anonymous said...

How about explaining stuff a little better too when we ask questions and NOT thumbing your noses up at us just because we don't understand. Just because we weren't raised FLDS doesn't make us "ignorant" "wicked" or "blithering idiots".

onthestreet said...

Maybe it does, but you can repent, and so can we.

Anonymous said...

I don't belive in God I believ in me. So take your repentence and shove it.

fundytoo said...

First off Anon 4:29, in the message which I responded to in which I used the term "blithering idiot", no question was asked, and the staements made were idiotic, just callin' 'em like I see's 'em. Second, I wasn't raised FLDS, nor am I now FLDS, but I do believe in defending people against blanket accusations and stupid statements even if I don't agree completely with their doctrine or way of doing some things. The bigger the horse the higher the fall, so dismount now, before it's too late. (IOW, get off your high horse :)

Chris

Saar said...

I'd say that the Creekers are doing a great job! This is the first thing we have heard of child labor in probably 5 years. Since all of them do it, I'd say that is a pretty good safety record.

And to the anon people that can't possibly make up a name to fit with your comments, at least you could write (with sarcasm) after your sarcastic remarks, because words are black and white and we can't see your face.

polywatchin said...

was that kid working on his familys place, or out on a job? makes a difference in my book which it was.

Faithful Woman said...

Out on a job.

Yes the FLDS could do better. But it is still better than playing computer games all day.

If Columbine wasn't harm from computer games, what was it?

CHRH said...

He was working on a job Polywatchin. Not at home. A job that they got hired out and paid for.

mugwump said...

Please go to the public library and find books that offer maps of the geography of this world. When you look at all the space, all the nations, all the tribes, all the sects all the towns, cities, bodies of water, dams, and thousands of other projects completed within the past 100 years you will be amazed that the world that you call home is so tiny, in comparison with the whole. To think in terms of any or all FLDS as being all there is out there is so naive that it confounds reason. You don't know because you haven't had the opportunity to learn, you haven't had the opportunity to learn becuse your leaders keep you enslaved. Enslaved? Yes, enslaved. How? By not allowing each of you to reach your potential. You are not a stupid people. Un-educated, yes. There is a vast difference between the two.

Being stupid is being ignorant, not knowing it and knowing nothing that you can do to improve your lot in life. Being ignorant is simply understanding that there is much you don't know. How can you make good choices unless you know that you have options. How are you going to know that options are available unless someone, whom you trust, is willing to surrender some of their control over your lives, and allow you to learn. Only then can you reach your potential.

In all probabiliby I have used some words in this note that you don't understand. All the words can be found in the dictionary. Learning to use the dictionary is a very good thing. If you understand the meaning of words you can better understand ideas. The more you understand about the concept of ideas, the greater your chance of begining to develop ideas of our own. The greater your ability to develop ideas allows you to become independent and able to control parts of your life that have held you in slavery. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

fundytoo said...

Mugwump-
Who are you talking to??? You need to be a little more specific in your posts, my dear.

Chris

mugwump said...

My dear fundytoo,

If you can read a map and understand the vastness of this world and at least have an idea of the options available to all who climb out of their shell, the former was not addressed to you. However, if you are enslaved and wish you knew some way to get out of your current mess, knowing geography and the English language will become increasing necessary. Old habits are hard to break.

Many of those former slaves who had been emancipated by the 14th amendment stayed on at the plantation where they had allways lived. Why? They didn't know where to go, what to do, or how to get ther or how to do whatever they desired when they arrived at their destination. To master any ability to become self sustaining it is important to develop communication skills and at least have an idea where you are when you start out, how to get to where you are going and how to get back home should you decide that your former state was better than you can sustain on your own merit.

All the previous post was intended to do was to open the eyes of those who flounder away not making any headway because they do not have the basics to live outside their structured world. Make preparation before making final a commitment.

fundytoo said...

Right...

onthestreet said...

Right... Okay now, what did you say?

Anonymous said...

If you can't figure it out, you don't need to know.

rcn

Anonymous said...

I grew up at the Creek. I started going to work during the summers and on Saturdays with my dad when I was about 8-9. It wasn't about making a slave out of me or defining my career path, it was about giving me something constructive to do...which I really needed. I was old enough that he didn't have to babysit me and I could fetch tools or materials for him, help him out a little. Like most other parents, he wouldn't let me run the dangerous power tools (if you call a Skilsaw dangerous) by myself until I was 13-14. Each year he gave me a little more responsibility and when I turned 16 and could drive, I would go out by myself and take care of good sized projects for him.

The work ethic I learned while I was young helped me through high school and college.

The days I spent with my Dad out working on a job are some of the best memories I have. I wouldn't trade them for anything. I wish I could do the same thing with my kids during the summer but my job won't allow it.

ltg

mugwump said...

I admire your learning the value of work at an early age. I too was priviledged to experience the same kind of parent. The principles of learing the value of labor can be learned pretty well by the age of fourteen, in some cases even younger.

The pity is that labor alone does not equip humans for dealing with the responsabilities and challenges of life. How do you figure simple interest? How do you know if you are being cheated at the scales? How do you know that your efforts and measures are honest? How can you learn about the natural wonders of the world outside your door, about mountains, fertile soil, which stone is suitable for quarrying?

The questions are unending and to cope you need to be able to at least know the source in whiich to look in order to be able to find the answer. Education does not cease with mastering the basic skills of reading, writing, and math skills.

Having these basic skills is only the gate to vistas beyond the wildest imagination. Could you recognize a cell in a microscope? Could you plot a course across an ocean with basic instruments? Could you build a house with no plan or attempt to establish some sort of order? Could you fly an airplane or operate an air flight control tower at an airport? All these skills require skills beyond those of basic labor skills. Can you install a program on a computer, send an e-mail, search the internet?

The point here is to hopefully help you to understand that learning to work is only the beginning. You may have capabilities going to waste simply because you were told you don't need any more education.

Only you can make that decision.

Anonymous said...

Muggy,
I did mention in my post that the work ethic I learned helped me focus through high and college. The same parent that took me to work with him supported me through college, but I did have to get my pilot's license on my own.

I know some kids growing up at the creek nowadays don't have the same level of support for education, but once they break free the choice is theirs. Having the work ethic instilled at a young age will give them more confidence that they can excell at whatever they choose, education or career or both.

ltg

onthestreet said...

MUGSWAMP Said: The point here is to hopefully help you to understand that learning to work is only the beginning. You may have capabilities going to waste simply because you were told you don't need any more education.

Only you can make that decision.
3/30/2006 5:39 PM

STREET's Reply: Muggy, I was there, and told the same, and thank God. Now I am free and have found knowledge that no university can bestow. Millions are without jobs today BECAUSE of their degree, and many academians have confessed to the damages caused by a college education. It is an "education" in perpersion and reinventing the truth, as the Lord promised would take place and deceive the whole world (Rev. 12:9).

mugwump said...

Congratulations ltg,

You had a knowing, loving father who understood that leading a life in the modern world required not only strong work ethic but honed skills that are marketable.

mugwump said...

On the street

I am going to make an exception to the rule I made to myself never to enter into correspondence with you again because of your blastphemy. You don't deserve a leg up, but many of those caught up in duplicity of the teachinngs of Warren Jeffs do.

People with degrees are not guaranteed a job because they have completed an education. A strong work ethic should give Mormons a boost in this department. They supposedly not only have strong work ethic but, if they have the education should have all the basics they need to start a business of their own.

Nationwide unemployment is at an all time low. If unimployment is high where you live, move to where the work is. Duh!

Languishing about and complaining about the job market is unforgivable. Good laborers are in demand everywhere, If there is oil and gas exploration, drilling and production there is work. Yes, the hours are long. Yes, the work is hard. Yes the pay is low until you prove your worth. Experience plus education plus a good recommendation will go a long way toward guaranteeing work for anyone. Who knows, you might have a John Paul Getty or H.L. Hunt in the making.