Friday, December 30, 2005

David Allred, First Councilor to the Prophet or Prophet himself?

Colorado City is never a dull trip and in town yesterday and today linked information unavailable til now. Whom is David Allred and what are his ambitions, raise both serious and interesting questions? Should Warren be arrested, assuming his location may be known or should for other reasons he be unable to lead, who would take his place? Is David content with his station or has he positioned himself in a key synerio should the mantle of power be transfered?

Acting as front man for the purchase of YFZ and other investments of Warren's behalf has created certain control issues that under some circumstances could deliver a prophets power to this young financial maverik. Has Warren planned this or is this an uncalculated oversight? If not David then what about Wendall? If authorities have really pin pointed Warren's location, has he determined a chain of command in his absense?

You may wish to review the title and deeds to the real property that Warren controls, but does not have in his name. On one hand Warren can be vulnerable to lawsuits and holding lands in trust or in anothers name is both a protection and a liability, it all depends on what occurs and it what order!

Is it genius or an oversight?

41 comments:

ogre said...

David could make a paly for leadership. I really doubt that a 34 year old "kid" would be taken seriously by many people.
I wonder if the yfz property was bought by David as another of many "dummy" corporations to hide money. Could the YFZ be seized by the IRS for tax payments on UEP land???
anyone know??

ogre said...

paly=play
sorry spelling nazis

Faithful Woman said...

warren was a "kid", an upstart from Salt Lake that no one here in CC knew from a hill of beans. Most of the ones who refused to acknowledge him was because there were other, more respected men, who they felt had earned the position and were in line for it first according to church er, "priesthood" order.
The reason most of the people followed warren was because Uncle Fred said he was following him. I think in his way he was trying to prevent splitting up of the people/families. Little did he know it would make it worse.

Anonymous said...

Financial Maverick. Didn't Warren bail David out of bankrupy?

Anonymous said...

MIB made the connection or observation a long time ago and didn't have to travel to Shortcreek to arrive at the Allred and/or Wendall involvement.

Keep fishing.

Anonymous said...

Little children on a hill,
fighting then,
fighting still.
Little children on a hill.

rumor-has-it said...

Knock, Knock

Who's there?

Father

Father Who?

rumor-has-it said...

The "saints" say that Warren Jeffs will never be caught if they can help it. If he does, he will get killed. Just like the prophet Joseph.

I say, Don't put him in jail. Put him in public.

Anonymous said...

rumor-has-it said...
The "saints" say that Warren Jeffs will never be caught if they can help it. If he does, he will get killed. Just like the prophet Joseph.

No, Warren Jeffs is not like Joseph Smith, Smith when faced with arrest warrents always turned himself in. Warren Jeffs is too yellow, a coward to turn himself in.

There will be no lynch mob to kill Jeffs if arrested, if convicted only a short time in jail, if found not guilty, he walks out a free man. Can Warren Jeffs do the right thing and turn himself in, protecting his followers from any confrontation with LE. IMO he is to much of a coward to turn himself in. If Warren wishes to be like Joseph Smith, he would get his attorney and go to LE and turn himself in.

fttc said...

You just do not understand. warren is being persecuted and driven worse than Joseph Smith ever was. Joseph at times went into hiding to get away from his enemies but he never had to stay hidden as long as warren has. If there were unsettled lands to the west today, the FLDS would already be following warren in that direction. Instead all that is left for them is to try and sneak off to some undisclosed location.

All of the people who have left warren have become so dark in their minds that any one of them would take his life, given the chance. They have become so evil that the faithful cannot even talk to them without becoming contaminated themselves. This is the great danger that the prophet today is in. No one knows the great hatred for warren that exists in the hearts of the apostates. They do not even know it themselves, in fact Satan has so far deluded them that most of them will say they have no ill feelings at all. warren's god has shown it to him however, and it is this he is hiding from. But actually he is hiding out of kindness to those who seek his life as he does not want his blood on their hands. Such is his benevolence.

The FLDS have suffered more from the lawsuits over the UEP than any of the former saints ever did. warren has revealed that the LE would as soon see all the people dead as give them any protection.

You just don't understand how much evil there is in our government. The government officials would not be able to help themselves. They would kill warren or allow him to be killed because they are entirely under the influence of Lucifer.

Anonymous said...

And wow fttc; how did you get so brilliant.

fttc said...

It comes naturally.

Anonymous said...

Course you have an inside seat on the government right? So what you say could be taken as truth. I am glad that you could tell us the truth about the government. How did you get so brave. Kinda like the General Attorney's. I bet they could tell quite a tale too. If they spoke the truth that is.

fttc said...

I can only guess your background by your post as you are not brave enough to put a name to it. I got my information from those few insiders who still dare to talk to an 'apostate'. Yes, there are a few.

Anonymous said...

Thanks fttc and rumor has it.

Warren is a snake oil saleman and he has sold a bag of venom to his poor followers.

Let's just pray that some of those few insiders will have the blinders taken from their eyes and see the follie Warren has taken them on and lead some those smitten out of harms way.

The only danger is Warren and his very close advisors who benefit from Warren's leadership.

The most we could hope for is some of those advisors turn him in.

Maybe some of the insiders will go back and read the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants from the beginning. Warren has broken many of the rules.

As for pure of heart people. Jesus is the dictator of that one, not Warren or any other mortal.

Anonymous said...

11;26 poster; Lets see you find what you preach in the book of MOrmon.

Anonymous said...

that's kinda of silly FTTC. Satan (so-called satan) does not act out of strength of evil but rather is empowered by submission of ignorance and weakness.

Our government is perfectly capable of squishing your little town like a bug on a windshield... but they don't. What you have to ask yourself, is this because of your faith in god or the mercy of those who surround you? While you're thinking, remember one little point. Two thirds of your population is 18 years old and younger. While you may think differently, we consider most of you to be, well...children.

keep sweet eldorado
stg

fttc said...

It was meant to be. I am honest in saying I got it from warren's followers though.

Anonymous said...

And nobody would question very hard that the government could squash us like a bug, as you say; We know that. We know they hate us. We know what they think. Do you think I care. Let them begin by shooting me. Do the world a favor and let them start with me. Then I shall be in eternal bliss; my debt payed for my sins. And I would never have to see a gentile or apostate again. And government could stay in hell.

Anonymous said...

Why do you not speak the entire truth like fttc; you consider them to be brain washed children. And who are you? And do I care what you think?

fttc said...

Anon 12:08

I don't intend to answer for the poster you directed your comments to, but you might start by reading the account of King Noah in the book of Mosiah, ch. 11-26. The parallels between warren and King Noah are many.

Anonymous said...

Well, when ole Warboy gets in prison, the first thing he is going to have to make clear in his jail cell is: "Hey now, no pingy-pangy"

Anonymous said...

fttc said...
You just do not understand...

Yes I do not understand the pure delusions & fantasys that you posted. LE doesn't want Jeffs dead, they want him in custody, to stand trial for his crimes, and if he is innocent, he will be found not guilty by a jury.

If Warren Jeffs wasn't guilty, he would have not runaway, he would have faced his accusors in a court of law. Because he ranaway, he is saying to the world I am guilty, I am a crook.

It would appear that Warren Jeffs gets his revelations not from God, but Jim Beam, Jack Daniels, and their pet Wild Turkey.

Warren Jeffs needs to choose the right, turn himself in, get a good attorney and have his day in court.

Anonymous said...

fttc said...
Anon 12:08

I don't intend to answer for the poster you directed your comments to, but you might start by reading the account of King Noah in the book of Mosiah, ch. 11-26. The parallels between warren and King Noah are many.


The truth at last, yes Warren is a crook like the ole king you mentioned. Question is, who has the guts to stand up to Warren Jeffs like Abinadi did with evil King Noah? Who will choose the right and turn Warren Jeffs in?
Here's a link for those who wish to read Book of Mormon-Mosiah online: http://scriptures.lds.org/mosiah/11
cut and paste above to browser.

Most public libraries in the USA also have copies of Book of Mormon.

Perhaps Warren Jeffs should read it.

Men In Black said...

Its not about hate, but equality, the law, human rights and one man's abuse of power. To many want this to be that old battle like the Short Creek Raid of 1953, but clearly it has become a class system where a last name determines ones standing in this community. It was illegal evictions that put Colorado City on the radar and these evictions were justified by the religious tenet that forced underage marriages. Those not in compliance were served forceable detainers to evict. The abuses were between FLDS members within this class system.

Talk of killing is rediculous and is far from any governments intent. A smoke screen for those refusing to accept reality. Soon there will be diversity including African Americans living in this region and the true character of men will be tested.

Men In Black one day may mean more than one and more than me. Do you think only those of Short Creek have seen discrimination? Try being of color and consider all these the family of man. If you have 2 legs, 2 arms and a head, you share something in common with all races.

I was in Colorado City for a reason and I believe only diversity can change a hardened heart. Gentiles and many cultures would introduce an outside economy and as so many have said, its a beautiful place to live, so why not consider relocating there?

MIB

rumor-has-it said...

A couple went to Warren Jeffs just a month or so ago for marriage counseling. She was working and he was home tending the kids. She was feeling tough about the way things were going..so she asked for a release.

Warren Jeffs told her. I am not here to break up families. The husband needs to be the one providing for this family. You go home and be a good mother.

1. I didn't know you could still get a appointment with Warren Jeffs, so he must be closer than I thought.
2. He is not here to break up families????

Anonymous said...

As I see it, FTTC was simply posting as though he were FLDS. (11:28 1/01/06)

The thing that is wrong with venemous lies about the "murderous hearts of apostates" is that is will eventually lead to violence with the FLDS being agressors. Throughout REAL Mormon history, the "Saints" have been the agressors, not the mob, as whitewashed revisionist Mormon history has taught us. The mob simply retaliated.

Anonymous said...

FTTC:

...yeah I knew that. I was just replying to them also.
...yeah,yeah that's it.

...ok I'm lying. I forgot my own cardinal rule:
"don't forget to read between the lines!"

happy new year
stg

Anonymous said...

I won't read any of the words or works inspired or attributed to Joseph Smith. You are in the mess you are in because your ancestors chose to be Smith's followers. You still can choose to turn your back on Smith and his apostate non christian religion. The choice is ultimately yours.

fttc said...

Rumor

How real is your info on the woman who went for counsel? Firsthand? Second hand? Is the source reliable?

Anonymous said...

a noose
around a moose
does not create a truce
but merely the excrement from the back end of a goose

Anonymous said...

I'd stick to the shallow end if I was you, anony 3:53.

Anonymous said...

Well, you kow what; If what is on these web pages is supposed to be an example of the grace of your world; i say keep it. there is enough manure on our garden. But oh, how the flowers grow.

Anonymous said...

YFZ has a new finished Temple. It looks as if it belongs somewhere else like Hildale or Colorado City. If you people who depended on the UEP to pay your real estate taxes want to see where that money went, drive on down to Texas. Follow the highway south out of Colorado City until you intersect with I-40, turn eastward to intersect with I-25 at Albuquerque, turn southward to intersect with I-10 just south of Las Crucus, continue south then east through Texas. At Exit 400 (Sonora) turn north on U.S. 277. Go 22 miles through the little town of Eldorado to the city limit sign on the north edge of town. (the Catholic church is on the right just before you turn right). Travel approximately 6 miles on County road 300 and you will see the new FLDS Temple on your left. It's so big you can't miss it. By the looks of things old Warren should be showing at YFZ up in a few days to hold a pow-wow. It might be a good time for a visit. While you're here you might want to ask him where your UEP funds have gone?

Anonymous said...

Anyhoo about David Allred. I had the opportunity to briefly meet the man and one of his wives when they came into my place of work. I got a good feeling from the man and his wife, and believe he might be the best thing for the FLDS, if Warren is in fact like all of you presume.

fttc said...

If there is anything left when warren is through David would take it. He has done as much in enriching himself on the backs of others as any other man in the FLDS. I know of several times when Allco was a big 'help' to the families in town to give them some extra income that his company (Allco) outright cheated families out of what was owed to them. At the same time he was able to 'give so much' to the FLDS. If Allred's lies about the purchase of YFZ don't speak about his character maybe this info will.

Anonymous said...

Didn't quite understand the middle portion of that paragraph fttc, but I think I got the gist. Anyhoo, I could care less if he lied to some gentiles about the purpose of the ranch. It was none of their business and they got more money then they were asking for it. Big deal.

fttc said...

It was kind of run together. My point was you must not know the man if you are the poster before mine. And BTW, a lie is a lie, whether it is told to a 'gentile' or to the 'faithful'. If someone is full of guile they are not honorable. Guile is a good adjective for the man in question.

Anonymous said...

to anon 12:12am

Big deal that he lied? Its OK because they got their money and thats all that matters? Well how about if someone would have told us that you would be RAPING CHILDREN ON THAT LAND. Asshole.

Anonymous said...

Hold on, slugger...count backwards from 10...gooood...calm now? I'm not raping anyone on "that land", I'm not FLDS, sport, and I've been called worse things then asshole, so I'm not mildly offended. If it soooo obvious and there is so much proof and evidence of the things you obviously believe are going on there, the FBI would've swooped down months ago, with warrants and handcuffs in hand. Hell, I remember reading about a guy who got in trouble for taking pictures at his daughters backyard birthday/pool party. So taje a valium and watch a episode of "The Muppett Show" it's obvious you need a break.

Anonymous said...

Wait till the Feds figure out the David Allred's once business partner, Richard Dutson, has been dealing drugs for years. Maybe when the Feds uncover this, they will want to audit David Allred's income trail. Then they will find that David's money came from drugs and the FLDS. Perhaps the Feds will be hosting a yard sale soon in Texas.