FLDS Prophet Warren Jeffs may be serving life in prison, but his followers continue with their work on the YFZ Ranch near Eldorado, Texas where the group's white limestone Temple towers over the town they are building. Polygamy, the practice of plural marriage, appears to be alive and well in the Lone Star State, despite laws to the contrary.
Sunday, June 26, 2005
What Now?
I was gone this past week, out of sight of the computer, and I had some time to wonder What now?
I am curious how the CC community is dealing with the changes? I am curious what they expect to happen?
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Anonymous
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I had a close friend come from there several days ago. They said the town is "dead". Do the folks living there agree?
We're waiting for the appointment of the new trustees to see how the UEP trust will be managed.
There's nothing in the original trust document that refers to "tenant-at-will" Those who built the trust have been betrayed by the Jeffs heirarchy who did little to actually add assets to the trust, but did much to deplete assets from the trust. Now the rightful beneficiaries can step forward and have a say in the management of the trust and insure their security.
The days of mindless obedience to a psychopath are over . . .
Mizerable fools... God is not mocked. You tri to steel our land. You try to steel our prohet. Judgmint will come unto you. And it will be fast and harsh. the armys of God ar ligning up against this evil natian, and will soon march over this miserble godless country.
Do no not blame every-thing on to Ruth either. Faithful Women. I would point out that on the news yesterday they said that Arizonia is on fire. In california they had a few earth quakes. ONe being yesterday. The results of people who are dishonest and The prophacy's have been written in the Book of Morman and I will add my voice to the one above: YOu people will not take away the U. E. P. property. God will and is fighting the battle of Zion. He said, "Fight agaist Zion and God will fight against you."
It is the spirit of God that unites heart to heart, that unites man and women with bonds that are stronger than death--death can not break them. Where that feeling is cherished, persecution may rage with all the feirceness that is possible, it cannot destroy it.
You people can not break us up! Here it! God himself will fight the battles of Zion! You are not fighting us! You are fighting him! He said, " How oft would I have gathered you, and you would not. I will laugh at your calamity. For you seek a lie. You seek war and destruction. In your hour of peace you mocked the saint's and spurned God with your lips. Here it. I will not hear your cries. I will deliver up to you your calamities. The pit you dig thinking others will fall into it, Hath opened for you."
That is how God is. Here it. If you fight Zion, You fight God.
And you think "we" are the bad guys for helping the mindless "sheep" that were getting there houses taken away. No more houses to be taken away from the righteous! Yaaaaaah! By the way, we are not fighting Zion and your own words are what is happening to you. Look at what is happening to YOU! (For you seek a lie) Please note that God is NOT protecting Warren Jeffs, maybe that is because he is not doing GOD's Will.
It sounds so funny to hear the nony mouses talk about being more righteous and that they are the only "faithful" on this earth and the distructions are coming. But what they don't realize is that they are living through the destructions. They have more fear and secrets in their heart than love, as you can tell.
6/27/2005 12:12 PM says that "YOu people will not take away the U. E. P. property." but have no idea of what is really happening. The UEP was out of their hands five years ago when Warren Jeffs got up in Priesthood meeting and had the elders vote to change the Trust and make a sole corporation of the FLDS church. He has not been a good steward over the land and has been very wasteful in my opinion. Hurrah! for the honest in heart that have the real facts and are protecting the innocent.
TO EVERYONE WHO IS DEFENDING OUR PROPHET! Our Prophet Warren Jeffs has instructed me to give a warning to all who are defending him on this blog site. He has instructed us all not to participate in this thing. The Lord is very displeased with those who are doing it. The Prophet is making another call for all of you to not partake in the spirtit of this blog. Do you think that the Lord will not fight our battles? If you do then why do you try to fight them by arguing with gentiles and apostates. He says that he knows who you are, and he is making one more call for all of you to stop this thing. If you dont, in time, you will lose your testimony of the Prophet. The Prophet makes the call to repent of this thing. Do it no more. "Come our of her oh ye my people, and be not partakers of her sins." If you want to go where the prophet is, then do what he does. YOu dont see him arguing with people that have lost their faith and have apostatized from this great gospel that we live. Time is so short. We have to spend all we have left repenting of the wrongs of the past.
Ok, everyone... take this comment from anon..2:08 and frame it. It is a perfect example of how brainwashed the people who believe in Warren are. The last thing you want to happen to you is to lose your testimony of the Prophet Warren!! Time is so short.... IT HAS ALWAYSE BEEN SHORT!!! We have to spend everything we have left advancing Warren in his masterplan so that he can snuff us off like an anoying little bug and then tell us it was our fault because we weren't faithfull enough.... I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL OF THESE MINDLESS PEOPLE ALLOWING WARREN TO RUIN YOUR LIVES. YOUR FAMILIES ARE YOURS!!! YOUR CHILDREN ARE YOURS!!! THEY LOVE YOU!!! I KNOW THAT YOU LOVE THEM!!! LIKE I SAID WHEN I LEFT THIS RELIGION 10 YEARS AGO....THIS IS PROOF THAT THE FLDS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN/CHRIST LIKE RELIGION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T EVEN FOLLOW THE MOST BASIC PRINCIPLE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER... GOD HELP YOU ALL... YOU'LL NEED IT.
Dear God, Please forgive us of our sins and remove Warren from this earth and stop the punishment of our people. Please remove Warren and his closest followers even if they are our fathers and brothers so that this pain and suffering may stop. Uncle Roy always tought the people not to love him as a God, but to love him as a man. Never lose your focus on God. I know that this is the greatest sin that our people are committing and are being punnished for. Please forgive them and free them from the pain and suffering.
Prophets Messenger,Street and Ruth are already apostate.Street/David/I am Sam,has been excommunicated for years for apostacy.His participation in this site is proof,that He is already damned.Why would he fear Gods Prophet?
Prophets Messenger It figures that Warren would send someone else to do his dirty work. Warren should spend all the time he has left repenting of the wrongs of the past. The only hope he has for salvation is that God does not judge him as he has judged others. And Warren, God knows who you are, too.
At least the "PROPHETS" messenger could spell a little better than the rest of the flock. Still a few typos though. He must have used prophet check before he published it
Hello Anon, glad to be back as well. I am so glad to see you here Ruth, I can see a beautiful spirit. Please do not feel I attack you, I know your heart yearns to do the right thing.
Faithful - someday I do hope I can visit your little town, and I hope we can have tea - that would be a delight.
The law will do what it needs to. The people will adjust. The followers will decide just what they are willing to follow. I think that they suffer is without question, is the suffering necessary? Is it induced by internal corruption? - It's a question that requires self examination as well as a sacrifice. You sacrifice something when you realize people that you trusted hurt you without regard.
Many people would rather not know that, and would rather continue in their suffering. Do you understand what it will mean to some families to see something different? All that pain - for nothing - that's a suffering that cannot be understood easily.
So, while I hope eyes for understanding are opened, I can see there will be a price.
Mugwump,I am a Baptist from Texas.I will comment on the Flds,While I dont share their beliefs.I dont exactly believe,they will self destruct.Look at Protestant history.Dozens of bickering,conflicting sects,since the Reformation.All claim authority ,Just as fervantly as the various Mormon cults,Most are still around. I doubt Eldorado will be the last stop,for the Flds cult.
WHOA!!! This thread is more than 24 hours old now and NOT A WORD FROM STREET! It's kind of refreshing not to hear his rantings for a few minutes. However, it makes ya wonder if he didn't take the messenger seriously! Probly. Poor sucker. Oh well.
I don't doubt that Warren sent that message. The wording resembles the veiled threats he has made in the past.
I just have a few comments:
He says that he knows who you are, and he is making one more call for all of you to stop this thing.
OK. First, Warren doesn't know who you are. GOD does not, nor has He ever, checked in with Warren. This is further proved by his "making one more call for all of you to stop this." Historically, Warren has had no, nada, zip, ZERO patience with people whom he considers less than perfect. So why would he waste his breath "one more time" instead of just striking them down if he REALLY knows who you are?
If you dont, in time, you will lose your testimony of the Prophet.
Now think, little ones! What could possibly be the worst thing that could ever happen to you in this life or in death? That God will cease to love you? That you will go to hell and be forever cast into the arms of Satan? OHO! That is NOT the worst thing that can happen to the followers of Warren! The worst thing they can even imagine is to "lose their testimony of the Prophet." And WHY is this so horrific? Because then Warren won't have his strangle hold on their minds and their wallets. This, of course, is untenable.
Finally: If you want to go where the prophet is, then do what he does.
That's right, good people! Stand right up do what Warren does. Sit on your smug, self-righteous A** and pass judgment on men while you remove their possessions and money. Then go running to another state and build a grand monument to yourself and demand people to worship you and not God. Then you can "go where he is." And in the end, you'll go where he goes too. Straight to the bowels of hell.
If Warren's followers do fear "Messenger" enough to quit posting here it's going to drive some of them crazier. I don't think Warren will stop them from looking and reading the posts. They cannot read the reports of what is happening outside of thier little bubble without wanting to respond in some way to help alleviate the stress caused by living in dreamland. If they can occasionally call us a name or two and throw some scripture at us it helps keep their "testimony" strong. Just another way Warren will undo himself.
If he really wants us to come out and not be partakers of their sins, why do we still have to make a living? I have to work among gentiles and apostates everyday. And since I have been chosen to go to Zion, we have been wearing dark glasses, short sleeve t-shirts, mustaches, and baseball hats to fit in better and be inconspicuious. Does Uncle Warren really expect us to chose our favorite wife and leave the others behind and never come back? He has another thing coming from the people who are the closest to him. Just like Leroy Jeffs saying "something is wrong here" but he won't get away with my family.
The workers right around Warrren Jeffs say he is immortal. He can work 20 hour days and works right along with the construction crew. (sounds like he is on drugs to me) I heard this from the mouth of someone very close to WJ just before I left and though you would enjoy hearing it.
His closest crew has 10 brand new white Ford 4 door utility bed they paid cash for. And they travel from Canada to Mexico. The people in CC have no idea what is really happening. They just announced that Leroy Jeffs was cut off last Saturday Morning. We knew about it more than a month ago. Some people are barely finding about about the lawsuits. They have been going for at least a couple months. So the people in CC are just in reaction mode and still have their heads in a hole in the ground. If anyone is going to find Warren it is going to be those who have left who would recognize him with a beard. There is something alot more than just plural marriage or our way of life that is going on here. I am not sure what, but it is getting scarier by the minute. I have been studying and I think he is heading toward what Ervil LaBaron did in his "righteousness".
How can people just disappear and the family around them feel just fine about it?
How long have you been out? It was the secrecy that got me out; I knew it was not right--I smelled a rat and acted on faith the size of a grain of mustard seed. Since I got out and started reading this blog, things are much scarier than I ever imagined while I was in. I have suspicions that the electric furnace I almost started working on may have been used for something illegitimate, but I have no proof.
Miserable Fools, as you hunt the living prophet of God, you sign your own demise. God is not mocked. From the heavens will come plague upon plague, administered down upon your cities and your people. Do you think that the rampant murders, fires, tsunamis, and storms that plague your shores are merely coincidence? No, they are from the hand of the Heavenly Father. They are signs of his displeasure with a disobedient people. I call upon you to repent, and turn from your wicked ways. Kneel down and beg for Warren's forgiveness, for through him you will find Christ. Warren is the mouthpiece to God himself. Turn away from your greed, your lust, and your hate of the Lord's true church. Stop spending your money on childish material things and instead give your money to the realization of Zion. The Temple in Eldorado nears completion, and with it's completion comes the end times. Repent or be cast into Outer Darkness.
Someone doesnt believe in Prophets Messenger!I am sure Warren would like his followers to shut-up.I would like his followers to shut up.Street and Ruth are not really Warrens followers anyway.Both are excommunicants.
Does your moniker, Inside Out, refer to your beliefs, for they truly are inside out. Look at your society? You have legalized sodomy, which is an abomination before the Lord. You practice hedonism, and abort the fruits of immaculate conception. Soon, your cities will crumble, and Zion will shine out as a beacon unto your morally bankrupt society. You will Repent or you will perish. I call upon ye to turn from your wicked ways and embrace the one true path to salvation. It is a narrow path, but the Lord's Prophet, Warren Jeffs, illuminates it for us, so that we can navigate our way to the Celestial Kingdom.
To anonymous escapee 11:07 You have confirmed my suspicions regarding the reason for LeRoy's expulsion. If he really thinks something is fishy, why doesn't he do his family and the rest of the people a big favor and stand up and say so? We could really use his help right now. And are you saying that Warren is having the elite in "Zion" wear the t-shirts and mustaches? Because man! They might get used to the cooler wear as opposed to the long underwear and heavy long sleeved shirts. Then they won't want to go back! Then what will he do?
Does anyone realize what "Immaculate conception" will lead to?! Women whose husbands won't get them pregnant, so they do so by other means. Enough said...
Virgin Mary’s sinlessness: the Roman Catholic doctrine that the Virgin Mary’s soul was free from the stain of original sin from the moment of her soul’s conception. The term does not, contrary to popular belief, refer to the conception of Jesus Christ.
to anon: 11:07 (6/28) please please please tell us all that has been happening, I want to hear the scary stuff that you elude to. I live here, but I'm not of the religion. What is the furnace in the temple for and I would pay big money to see Warren in a beard ha ha ha.
I would be really curious about the impending dangers that anon refers to.
Most cults don't end in suicide, however there's a sort of 'self-fulfilling prophecy' that happens when someone like warren begins to fear loss of his power. Wether it is through intrusion, exposure or his real or imagined impending death.
They stockpile weapons (like we've heard about), they make weird public pronouncements (like warren's done) - these pronouncements invite even more public scrutiy - and that finaly ignites the final death spiral.
But hopefully warrens hold will gradulally decrease through defections, excommunications, exposures, splittings, and a mass suicide won't happen.
warren is creating some of his own destiny. Yeah, he sais the state is after him (because he made himself a criminal). He's creating the thing he's proclaiming is happening by divine intervention.
It's almost like someone saying. "I prophecy my boss is going to fire me", what they don't you is that they stole 100,000 of the bosses money and slept with his 15 year old daughter while on the company cruise - so duh - he's getting fired.
Well, whoever thought we were rid of street spoke too soon. He just isn't signing his name now but he's back, big as life. See if his thumbprint isn't all over the immaculate conception thing and the 3:14 post. Rats!
This post was on the Warrant thread. That thread is very inactive so I copy it here. Can anyone give more info?
Laurels Klare said... The Arrest Warrant for Warren Jeffs is "regular on its face". The Mohave County Grand Jury was not drawn or selected according to law. Jeffs needs to challenge the Grand Jury under Rule 12.3. And have the Warrant quashed.
If/when a natural disaster happens, it will affect CC as well as Hurricane or St. George. It will affect Eldorado as well as San Anjelo, Mancos as well as Durango.
Its interesting to listen to some of the well respected geologist who were discussing the earthquakes in California the last couple of weeks. According to them the earthquakes are way overdue because we haven't had the normal amount for the last 10 years.
Go do the research. If you look back over that last 75-100 years that earthquakes have been recorded, you'll find that we average about the same amount every year, year after year. Some years are up and some are down.
Come on now, don't be afraid. Just type a few search words into Google and you'll have the answer. Go ahead now. Its OK to learn the truth. It wasn't that long ago we were throwing virgins into volcanoes to apease the lava Gods. If the Polonesians can learn the truth then so can you. Don't stop now. Type the words....
This post was on the Warrant thread. That thread is very inactive so I copy it here. Can anyone give more info? Reply to fttc
Laurels Klare said... The Arrest Warrant for Warren Jeffs is "regular on its face". The Mohave County Grand Jury was not drawn or selected according to law. Jeffs needs to challenge the Grand Jury under Rule 12.3. And have the Warrant quashed.
I checked this out today with Mohave County and the Grand Jury was drawn/selected according to the rules of Arizona. Whomever originally posted this is ignorant of the law; they are speaking a bunch of BS.
That person is an idiot and there is NO chance that any error has been made.
the only apostate is Warren, he is going against everything that Brother Johnson stood for----so there street--so who is giving God the bird and defying what is true and correct.
Street--how do you answer this one? I know three men that all have borne testimony to me that Uncle Roy was very agitated about a situation where a deceased man's wife wanted to marry one of his sons. He said, "NO!!! It is against the laws of God and the Holy Priesthood for any man to marry one of his father's wives, and any man that does such a thing is one of the wickedest men there is". Well, Warren has done this atrocious crime, contradicting what Uncle Roy taught.
One of these three men is none other than dear old Uncle Spencer, who I know to be an honest man.
Street: Look around you, when Brother Johnson was "in charge" there was happiness, no one looked over any one's shoulder to see if he was measuring up. people were open where as now they are scared and closed up..The town is being sucked dry, there is no life just people with empty eyes walking around. Sad sad sad
OnTheStreet;The best course for Apostates like you to take is for you to stay out of the Library,Go back to what ever hole you crawled out of and SHUT Your MOUTH!The best course for You Gentiles is to leave US Alone!Its the only Solution for US and the only Solution for YOU! THE SONS OF HELAMAN
This blog.gets more and more ridiculous all the time.Some one please stop OTS,and the other nutcases from posting.IT is the Only Solution for THEM,and the BEST Solution for the Blog.!!!! MANY thanks to all the Good people,who have tried to help any of our People.Especially Atari I have had all of OTS childish antics I can tolerate.I first started reading this blog. to find family,But have learned a lot about myself,my people,my culture.
P.S.;Thanks to the many,many,many Good People,that have helped me and my brothers,since Father left and our Mothers were reassigned.I left,Colorado City a boy,and now am a man.I could never have made it without your faith,love and prayers.I would particularly like to thank the kind family in British Columabia,who took me in.Eternity is too short,to tell you how grateful me and my brothers are.I thank the good family in Georgia,who have helped us financially.May God Bless you all like you have blessed me.
I meant to say,in a previous post.I Left Colorado City,a Lost Boy.and am now a Found Man.I feel to dedicate the rest of my life,to others.Some of the many who helped; Mr.Timpson, Flora and Jay, Mr.Fischer. Mr.and Mrs.Blackmore Aunt Leah, Aunt Lori, Uncle Winston, Mr.Tibbette, Uncle Jeff and Aunt Angie, Atari,who showed me compassion dwells in all hearts. All of you know what you did for us.I feel to dedicate,my helping of others,to all of you.
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I had a close friend come from there several days ago. They said the town is "dead". Do the folks living there agree?
Welcome back Atar! Wondered why you were so silent. Good topic for a thread. Hope we get a lot of input from CC as I am curious also.
We're waiting for the appointment of the new trustees to see how the UEP trust will be managed.
There's nothing in the original trust document that refers to "tenant-at-will" Those who built the trust have been betrayed by the Jeffs heirarchy who did little to actually add assets to the trust, but did much to deplete assets from the trust. Now the rightful beneficiaries can step forward and have a say in the management of the trust and insure their security.
The days of mindless obedience to a psychopath are over . . .
Mizerable fools... God is not mocked. You tri to steel our land. You try to steel our prohet. Judgmint will come unto you. And it will be fast and harsh. the armys of God ar ligning up against this evil natian, and will soon march over this miserble godless country.
Is that a disagreement to the first post?
Do no not blame every-thing on to Ruth either. Faithful Women. I would point out that on the news yesterday they said that Arizonia is on fire. In california they had a few earth quakes. ONe being yesterday. The results of people who are dishonest and The prophacy's have been written in the Book of Morman and I will add my voice to the one above: YOu people will not take away the U. E. P. property. God will and is fighting the battle of Zion. He said, "Fight agaist Zion and God will fight against you."
And Faithful, you sound as faithful as a rat. accusing and telling our enamies what is going on.
It is the spirit of God that unites heart to heart, that unites man and women with bonds that are stronger than death--death can not break them. Where that feeling is cherished, persecution may rage with all the feirceness that is possible, it cannot destroy it.
You people can not break us up! Here it! God himself will fight the battles of Zion! You are not fighting us! You are fighting him! He said, " How oft would I have gathered you, and you would not. I will laugh at your calamity. For you seek a lie. You seek war and destruction. In your hour of peace you mocked the saint's and spurned God with your lips. Here it. I will not hear your cries. I will deliver up to you your calamities. The pit you dig thinking others will fall into it, Hath opened for you."
That is how God is. Here it. If you fight Zion, You fight God.
Children!
Be reverent!
And you think "we" are the bad guys for helping the mindless "sheep" that were getting there houses taken away. No more houses to be taken away from the righteous! Yaaaaaah! By the way, we are not fighting Zion and your own words are what is happening to you. Look at what is happening to YOU! (For you seek a lie) Please note that God is NOT protecting Warren Jeffs, maybe that is because he is not doing GOD's Will.
It sounds so funny to hear the nony mouses talk about being more righteous and that they are the only "faithful" on this earth and the distructions are coming. But what they don't realize is that they are living through the destructions. They have more fear and secrets in their heart than love, as you can tell.
6/27/2005 12:12 PM says that "YOu people will not take away the U. E. P. property." but have no idea of what is really happening. The UEP was out of their hands five years ago when Warren Jeffs got up in Priesthood meeting and had the elders vote to change the Trust
and make a sole corporation of the FLDS church. He has not been a good steward over the land and has been very wasteful in my opinion. Hurrah! for the honest in heart that have the real facts and are protecting the innocent.
That is one thing we agree on. God bless the pure in heart. He does and always have.
TO EVERYONE WHO IS DEFENDING OUR PROPHET!
Our Prophet Warren Jeffs has instructed me to give a warning to all who are defending him on this blog site. He has instructed us all not to participate in this thing. The Lord is very displeased with those who are doing it. The Prophet is making another call for all of you to not partake in the spirtit of this blog. Do you think that the Lord will not fight our battles? If you do then why do you try to fight them by arguing with gentiles and apostates. He says that he knows who you are, and he is making one more call for all of you to stop this thing. If you dont, in time, you will lose your testimony of the Prophet. The Prophet makes the call to repent of this thing. Do it no more. "Come our of her oh ye my people, and be not partakers of her sins." If you want to go where the prophet is, then do what he does. YOu dont see him arguing with people that have lost their faith and have apostatized from this great gospel that we live. Time is so short. We have to spend all we have left repenting of the wrongs of the past.
The Prophets Messenger
Ok, everyone... take this comment from anon..2:08 and frame it. It is a perfect example of how brainwashed the people who believe in Warren are. The last thing you want to happen to you is to lose your testimony of the Prophet Warren!! Time is so short.... IT HAS ALWAYSE BEEN SHORT!!! We have to spend everything we have left advancing Warren in his masterplan so that he can snuff us off like an anoying little bug and then tell us it was our fault because we weren't faithfull enough....
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL OF THESE MINDLESS PEOPLE ALLOWING WARREN TO RUIN YOUR LIVES. YOUR FAMILIES ARE YOURS!!! YOUR CHILDREN ARE YOURS!!! THEY LOVE YOU!!! I KNOW THAT YOU LOVE THEM!!! LIKE I SAID WHEN I LEFT THIS RELIGION 10 YEARS AGO....THIS IS PROOF THAT THE FLDS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN/CHRIST LIKE RELIGION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T EVEN FOLLOW THE MOST BASIC PRINCIPLE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER...
GOD HELP YOU ALL... YOU'LL NEED IT.
Dear God,
Please forgive us of our sins and remove Warren from this earth and stop the punishment of our people. Please remove Warren and his closest followers even if they are our fathers and brothers so that this pain and suffering may stop. Uncle Roy always tought the people not to love him as a God, but to love him as a man. Never lose your focus on God. I know that this is the greatest sin that our people are committing and are being punnished for. Please forgive them and free them from the pain and suffering.
Thank You
Prophets Messenger,Street and Ruth are already apostate.Street/David/I am Sam,has been excommunicated for years for apostacy.His participation in this site is proof,that He is already damned.Why would he fear Gods Prophet?
Prophets Messenger
It figures that Warren would send someone else to do his dirty work. Warren should spend all the time he has left repenting of the wrongs of the past. The only hope he has for salvation is that God does not judge him as he has judged others. And Warren, God knows who you are, too.
At least the "PROPHETS" messenger could spell a little better than the rest of the flock. Still a few typos though. He must have used prophet check before he published it
Hello Anon, glad to be back as well. I am so glad to see you here Ruth, I can see a beautiful spirit. Please do not feel I attack you, I know your heart yearns to do the right thing.
Faithful - someday I do hope I can visit your little town, and I hope we can have tea - that would be a delight.
There is too much suffering.
The law will do what it needs to. The people will adjust. The followers will decide just what they are willing to follow. I think that they suffer is without question, is the suffering necessary? Is it induced by internal corruption? - It's a question that requires self examination as well as a sacrifice. You sacrifice something when you realize people that you trusted hurt you without regard.
Many people would rather not know that, and would rather continue in their suffering. Do you understand what it will mean to some families to see something different? All that pain - for nothing - that's a suffering that cannot be understood easily.
So, while I hope eyes for understanding are opened, I can see there will be a price.
Mugwump,I am a Baptist from Texas.I will comment on the Flds,While I dont share their beliefs.I dont exactly believe,they will self destruct.Look at Protestant history.Dozens of bickering,conflicting sects,since the Reformation.All claim authority
,Just as fervantly as the various Mormon cults,Most are still around.
I doubt Eldorado will be the last
stop,for the Flds cult.
Lonestar,
So true -
: ) So good to see you Stinger!
WHOA!!! This thread is more than 24 hours old now and NOT A WORD FROM STREET! It's kind of refreshing not to hear his rantings for a few minutes. However, it makes ya wonder if he didn't take the messenger seriously! Probly. Poor sucker. Oh well.
Is Jon Krakauer still interested in this story?
Just a question - I was curious - anyone know?
To Anon 2:51
If you pray for Warren to be removed from the scene, you are no better than he is.
Regarding the "Prophet's Messenger":
I don't doubt that Warren sent that message. The wording resembles the veiled threats he has made in the past.
I just have a few comments:
He says that he knows who you are, and he is making one more call for all of you to stop this thing.
OK. First, Warren doesn't know who you are. GOD does not, nor has He ever, checked in with Warren. This is further proved by his "making one more call for all of you to stop this." Historically, Warren has had no, nada, zip, ZERO patience with people whom he considers less than perfect. So why would he waste his breath "one more time" instead of just striking them down if he REALLY knows who you are?
If you dont, in time, you will lose your testimony of the Prophet.
Now think, little ones! What could possibly be the worst thing that could ever happen to you in this life or in death? That God will cease to love you? That you will go to hell and be forever cast into the arms of Satan? OHO! That is NOT the worst thing that can happen to the followers of Warren! The worst thing they can even imagine is to "lose their testimony of the Prophet." And WHY is this so horrific? Because then Warren won't have his strangle hold on their minds and their wallets. This, of course, is untenable.
Finally: If you want to go where the prophet is, then do what he does.
That's right, good people! Stand right up do what Warren does. Sit on your smug, self-righteous A** and pass judgment on men while you remove their possessions and money. Then go running to another state and build a grand monument to yourself and demand people to worship you and not God. Then you can "go where he is." And in the end, you'll go where he goes too. Straight to the bowels of hell.
If Warren's followers do fear "Messenger" enough to quit posting here it's going to drive some of them crazier. I don't think Warren will stop them from looking and reading the posts. They cannot read the reports of what is happening outside of thier little bubble without wanting to respond in some way to help alleviate the stress caused by living in dreamland. If they can occasionally call us a name or two and throw some scripture at us it helps keep their "testimony" strong.
Just another way Warren will undo himself.
If he really wants us to come out and not be partakers of their sins, why do we still have to make a living? I have to work among gentiles and apostates everyday. And since I have been chosen to go to Zion, we have been wearing dark glasses, short sleeve t-shirts, mustaches, and baseball hats to fit in better and be inconspicuious. Does Uncle Warren really expect us to chose our favorite wife and leave the others behind and never come back? He has another thing coming from the people who are the closest to him. Just like Leroy Jeffs saying "something is wrong here" but he won't get away with my family.
The workers right around Warrren Jeffs say he is immortal. He can work 20 hour days and works right along with the construction crew. (sounds like he is on drugs to me)
I heard this from the mouth of someone very close to WJ just before I left and though you would enjoy hearing it.
His closest crew has 10 brand new white Ford 4 door utility bed they paid cash for. And they travel from Canada to Mexico. The people in CC have no idea what is really happening. They just announced that Leroy Jeffs was cut off last Saturday Morning. We knew about it more than a month ago. Some people are barely finding about about the lawsuits. They have been going for at least a couple months. So the people in CC are just in reaction mode and still have their heads in a hole in the ground. If anyone is going to find Warren it is going to be those who have left who would recognize him with a beard.
There is something alot more than just plural marriage or our way of life that is going on here. I am not sure what, but it is getting scarier by the minute. I have been studying and I think he is heading toward what Ervil LaBaron did in his "righteousness".
How can people just disappear and the family around them feel just fine about it?
It worked! The "MESSENGER" thing worked just like I thought it would. It got rid of STREET FRUIT. What a relief . . .
Just let me know if you need another MESSENGER message and I'll be glad to oblige . . .
To 11:07
How long have you been out? It was the secrecy that got me out; I knew it was not right--I smelled a rat and acted on faith the size of a grain of mustard seed. Since I got out and started reading this blog, things are much scarier than I ever imagined while I was in. I have suspicions that the electric furnace I almost started working on may have been used for something illegitimate, but I have no proof.
Miserable Fools, as you hunt the living prophet of God, you sign your own demise. God is not mocked. From the heavens will come plague upon plague, administered down upon your cities and your people. Do you think that the rampant murders, fires, tsunamis, and storms that plague your shores are merely coincidence? No, they are from the hand of the Heavenly Father. They are signs of his displeasure with a disobedient people. I call upon you to repent, and turn from your wicked ways. Kneel down and beg for Warren's forgiveness, for through him you will find Christ. Warren is the mouthpiece to God himself. Turn away from your greed, your lust, and your hate of the Lord's true church. Stop spending your money on childish material things and instead give your money to the realization of Zion. The Temple in Eldorado nears completion, and with it's completion comes the end times. Repent or be cast into Outer Darkness.
Ya da, Ya da, Ya da!!
BRING IT ON!!!
Someone doesnt believe in Prophets Messenger!I am sure Warren would like his followers to shut-up.I would like his followers to shut up.Street and Ruth are not really Warrens followers anyway.Both are excommunicants.
Does your moniker, Inside Out, refer to your beliefs, for they truly are inside out. Look at your society? You have legalized sodomy, which is an abomination before the Lord. You practice hedonism, and abort the fruits of immaculate conception. Soon, your cities will crumble, and Zion will shine out as a beacon unto your morally bankrupt society. You will Repent or you will perish. I call upon ye to turn from your wicked ways and embrace the one true path to salvation. It is a narrow path, but the Lord's Prophet, Warren Jeffs, illuminates it for us, so that we can navigate our way to the Celestial Kingdom.
To anonymous escapee 11:07
You have confirmed my suspicions regarding the reason for LeRoy's expulsion. If he really thinks something is fishy, why doesn't he do his family and the rest of the people a big favor and stand up and say so? We could really use his help right now.
And are you saying that Warren is having the elite in "Zion" wear the t-shirts and mustaches? Because man! They might get used to the cooler wear as opposed to the long underwear and heavy long sleeved shirts. Then they won't want to go back! Then what will he do?
Wow this is very intersting. It seems to me that Warren doesn't like anyone, he is too in love with himself.
To 3:14
Does anyone realize what "Immaculate conception" will lead to?! Women whose husbands won't get them pregnant, so they do so by other means. Enough said...
Immaculate Conception:
Virgin Mary’s sinlessness: the Roman Catholic doctrine that the Virgin Mary’s soul was free from the stain of original sin from the moment of her soul’s conception. The term does not, contrary to popular belief, refer to the conception of Jesus Christ.
Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library
You people are fun to bait.
to anon: 11:07 (6/28)
please please please tell us all that has been happening, I want to hear the scary stuff that you elude to. I live here, but I'm not of the religion. What is the furnace in the temple for and I would pay big money to see Warren in a beard ha ha ha.
I would be really curious about the impending dangers that anon refers to.
Most cults don't end in suicide, however there's a sort of 'self-fulfilling prophecy' that happens when someone like warren begins to fear loss of his power. Wether it is through intrusion, exposure or his real or imagined impending death.
They stockpile weapons (like we've heard about), they make weird public pronouncements (like warren's done) - these pronouncements invite even more public scrutiy - and that finaly ignites the final death spiral.
But hopefully warrens hold will gradulally decrease through defections, excommunications, exposures, splittings, and a mass suicide won't happen.
warren is creating some of his own destiny. Yeah, he sais the state is after him (because he made himself a criminal). He's creating the thing he's proclaiming is happening by divine intervention.
It's almost like someone saying. "I prophecy my boss is going to fire me", what they don't you is that they stole 100,000 of the bosses money and slept with his 15 year old daughter while on the company cruise - so duh - he's getting fired.
Well, whoever thought we were rid of street spoke too soon. He just isn't signing his name now but he's back, big as life. See if his thumbprint isn't all over the immaculate conception thing and the 3:14 post.
Rats!
I think poster 6/28/2005 11:07 AM Is full of you know what.
OK visualize this girls.
Macho Man Warren in a sweaty T-Shirt, mustache, sunshades and a hard hat working a 20 hour day.
OK lets don't.
I guess the faithful FLDS men followers are really pussy whipped by Warren. They can't even stand up to him and defend their own core beliefs.
I guess if Warren asked them to dress in drag they would. This species of men may deserve what they get.
I don't think that's street talking. Very different writing styles.
John
This post was on the Warrant thread. That thread is very inactive so I copy it here. Can anyone give more info?
Laurels Klare said...
The Arrest Warrant for Warren Jeffs is "regular on its face". The Mohave County Grand Jury was not drawn or selected according to law. Jeffs needs to challenge the Grand Jury under Rule 12.3. And have the Warrant quashed.
6/28/2005 2:58 PM
to anon 2:42.
If/when a natural disaster happens, it will affect CC as well as Hurricane or St. George. It will affect Eldorado as well as San Anjelo, Mancos as well as Durango.
Its interesting to listen to some of the well respected geologist who were discussing the earthquakes in California the last couple of weeks. According to them the earthquakes are way overdue because we haven't had the normal amount for the last 10 years.
Go do the research. If you look back over that last 75-100 years that earthquakes have been recorded, you'll find that we average about the same amount every year, year after year. Some years are up and some are down.
Come on now, don't be afraid. Just type a few search words into Google and you'll have the answer. Go ahead now. Its OK to learn the truth. It wasn't that long ago we were throwing virgins into volcanoes to apease the lava Gods. If the Polonesians can learn the truth then so can you. Don't stop now. Type the words....
Long Time Gone
This post was on the Warrant thread. That thread is very inactive so I copy it here. Can anyone give more info?
Reply to fttc
Laurels Klare said...
The Arrest Warrant for Warren Jeffs is "regular on its face". The Mohave County Grand Jury was not drawn or selected according to law. Jeffs needs to challenge the Grand Jury under Rule 12.3. And have the Warrant quashed.
I checked this out today with Mohave County and the Grand Jury was drawn/selected according to the rules of Arizona. Whomever originally posted this is ignorant of the law; they are speaking a bunch of BS.
That person is an idiot and there is NO chance that any error has been made.
The decision of the Grand Jury stands.
Warren Jeffs is in deep shit.
HEY! No s-word in here.
Stop the damn cussing!
whatever????
the only apostate is Warren, he is going against everything that Brother Johnson stood for----so there street--so who is giving God the bird and defying what is true and correct.
Right on anony 2:30, Warren is everything that Brother Johnson cautioned against doing.
Street--how do you answer this one? I know three men that all have borne testimony to me that Uncle Roy was very agitated about a situation where a deceased man's wife wanted to marry one of his sons. He said, "NO!!! It is against the laws of God and the Holy Priesthood for any man to marry one of his father's wives, and any man that does such a thing is one of the wickedest men there is". Well, Warren has done this atrocious crime, contradicting what Uncle Roy taught.
One of these three men is none other than dear old Uncle Spencer, who I know to be an honest man.
Street:
Look around you, when Brother Johnson was "in charge" there was happiness, no one looked over any one's shoulder to see if he was measuring up. people were open where as now they are scared and closed up..The town is being sucked dry, there is no life just people with empty eyes walking around. Sad sad sad
Gbnf said "Street what did you do to Kathleen?"What did Street do to kathleen?Who is Kathleen?
OnTheStreet;The best course for Apostates like you to
take is for you to stay out of the
Library,Go back to what ever hole you crawled out of and SHUT Your MOUTH!The best course for You Gentiles is to leave US Alone!Its the only Solution for US and the only Solution for YOU!
THE SONS OF HELAMAN
Is that a threat? And from one who is supposed to have keeping sweet perfected. Shame on you!
Oh my God!Streets fighting with himself!
This blog.gets more and more ridiculous all the time.Some one please stop OTS,and the other nutcases from posting.IT is the Only Solution for THEM,and the BEST
Solution for the Blog.!!!!
MANY thanks to all the Good people,who have tried to help any
of our People.Especially Atari
I have had all of OTS childish antics I can tolerate.I first started reading this blog. to find
family,But have learned a lot about
myself,my people,my culture.
P.S.;Thanks to the many,many,many
Good People,that have helped me and my brothers,since Father left and our Mothers were reassigned.I left,Colorado City a boy,and now am
a man.I could never have made it without your faith,love and prayers.I would particularly like to thank the kind family in British
Columabia,who took me in.Eternity is too short,to tell you how grateful me and my brothers are.I thank the good family in Georgia,who have helped us financially.May God Bless you all
like you have blessed me.
I meant to say,in a previous post.I
Left Colorado City,a Lost Boy.and am now a Found Man.I feel to dedicate the rest of my life,to others.Some of the many
who helped;
Mr.Timpson,
Flora and Jay,
Mr.Fischer.
Mr.and Mrs.Blackmore
Aunt Leah,
Aunt Lori,
Uncle Winston,
Mr.Tibbette,
Uncle Jeff and Aunt Angie,
Atari,who showed me compassion dwells in all hearts.
All of you know what you did for us.I feel to dedicate,my helping of others,to all of you.
Are you serious? Flora actually helped someone and not just taught them how to be pathological liers. WOW!
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