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Just kidding. Thought I'd put out a new header on this first day of May.
I'm so glad winter's over and am enjoying spring immensely! Hope y'all are too.
~Namaste~
Rejoice and be very glad.....Lyle Jeffs, William T. Jessop and company have admarably helped Gary Engles destroy the life of another one of their women.....Hip, Hip, Horray for the hero's who loved to put traitor's on a pedistle and destroy the woman......Yippie, Yippie, Gary Engles did not have any compitition destroying my life, with all of them hating me.....now, it is your turn to kick me for caring and forgiving.....Hip, Hip, Horray for the one they had an easy time destroying.........yup, Gary Engles had no compitition in destroying my life and letting abuser's walk free.....nice country......
ReplyDeleteOkay Ruth, sounds like you need some help. What are you going to do about it? I think you need to talk with your sisters and plan your future, look at how successful they are!
ReplyDeleteI do not need help. And I do not look at my sister's as sucessful. Yes, they had what it took to slam dunk me. who cares? they just do not go on about their life......I am the one who protected them so they could be sucessful........Every one has to have a stepping stone....I was glad to be the door mat they used to get to their glory.......why do you not talk about something else and carry the conversation? see that is what it has been about all along...help the poor retard, and look at how perfect we are, and fix the poor retard, instead of just being who they are.....like maybe you could carry a little in the conversation and I could see who you are.....I am not all that talk anyhow, and i do not need fixed.......
ReplyDeletebesides when I first came to town the great Marie was too great to talk to me......They are all like that.......I was nothing to them....I have nothing to say to them.....Marie the perfect school teacher.....Grace the wonderful respite sitter. Lyle the perfect man.....Mother the greatest saint.....Ah, yes, my perfect family.........all accended......Ah, yes, the dear wonderful souls......and I should be like them......yes, my perfect family......and my sister's......wonderful sucessful saints........I think they are accending as we speak.....
ReplyDeleteMiss Ruth,
ReplyDeleteI just learned that you quilt. Do you still do that?
I would love to learn to quilt. My grandmothers all quilted and it's such a pretty art form. It's also practical. There is nothing warmer and more comfortable than a quilt on your bed.
I'd love to see some of your quilts.
Mari
yes, I quilt. I can make any quilt you like.
ReplyDeleteHere is a poem in answer to the success of other's...
ReplyDeleteIf Success is measured by the critasim of other's it is small....
as things are measured........
I am very successful.........I have been given the promise of eternal life...........
I will tell you this.....I did a lot for my sister's.....A great deal.......My future is planned.....
ReplyDeleteon another note, if there is anyone who wants hand made quilts just send an order to me. I will make one for you........my email is ruthjcooke65_hotmail.com. If you like to discus the quilt you want made..........
I did a lot for those Mother's in the Texas raid too, and with the Lord's help, i will do a lot more still.........
ReplyDeleteand in reality, I did a lot for Lyle Jeffs too.....and he really cares about me....
ReplyDeletethe wild flower's on the mountain are so very beautiful........Looking out over this City from the top of the mountain is very beautiful.......
ReplyDeleteI did read the newest articles and I assure you the trial of Warren Jeffs was not and is not fair.....That is certain........I sit here in my house and wonder why they targeted him.........Why is he going through this? I am ashamed that the People I thought were honest would do this to a person that was PERFECT. And I know he is. I know what went on in the lives of his accuser's and the time of tormenting PERFECT People is almost over........
ReplyDeletewho is lyle jeffs?
ReplyDeleteRuth -
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like something has happened recently that is causing you to feel that you need to defend your prophet. I'm not sure if it's that someone is making you feel guilty for having independent thoughts, or if there is some other reason you've started defending Warren Jeffs again.
The very people you are saying treat you unfairly are people who have been influenced by the prophet to separate themselves from certain people or to believe that some good people are not worthy of the priesthood or priesthood blessings and should go repent from afar, etc.
I wish you could see that the control Warren Jeffs has held over your community has had an extremely negative impact. I am sorry you are hurting.
NOYB
ReplyDeleteMiss Ruth,
ReplyDeleteI tried emailing you at the email address you left, but it came back saying there's no such address.
I'm still lighting candles for you and praying for you.
Peace and light,
Mari
Ruth what did Gary Engels do to you?
ReplyDeleteYou confuse me. Lyle is perfect one moment and the next he is evil.
Gary Englels is helpful one moment and the next he is bad.
What is going on?
Curious Friend
Ruth have you read Warren's dictations?
ReplyDeleteWarren is not perfect, if he was he would not let the police harass you.
Warren, as a good leader would have made sure you had a good roof over your head and someone to take care of you, not torment you.
You need to pickup a Bible and check out what makes a man a Prophet of God.
Warren is no prophet and never was and even admitted it to the Bishop Merril Jessop and Naomi, back in January 2007.
Ruth, you always wanted to be Warren's wife. You sent letters to him professing this intent while he was out of jail and while he was in. I know that Warren planned on kidnapping your sister and making her his wife, this was while she was out on her media spree. There seems to be a interesting phenomena here.
ReplyDeleteand to all of you that had an oppinion why I was away, thank you....A mericle happened last week. I in reality never wanted to marry uncle Warren. I do not know why my email never worked.....I love Uncle Warren. I do not love what happened to me....How-ever I am grateful for that experience and what I learned........I do not even know who Lyle Jeffs is.....Gary Engles did not hurt me......I did not feel like any one should have put Warren Jeffs in Jail........How-ever just to clear up the matter, so there is no confusion......I had nothing at all to do with Warren Jeffs being in jail or out........I never lived with him. I never married him, or desired to marry him.......I was angry at him, for shaking hands with a man that Uncle Rulon said was a son of perdition and the very people who persicut me the most here is those that were witnesses to this matter......Uncle Rulon shook hands with a man he had just told was a son of perdition and told us to live in love and peace.......Then these people who were a witness to this, and Uncle Rulon loved me and said this, these people did pick me up from my bed in the night and tell me I had to go with them, and i did not have a choice and they threw me out on the street. I had no cloths, no money and I thought no friends......I was angry.......I wrote every single thing to Uncle Warren I did because I was angry........My family is blind.....I see that now.....They actually blame every one and every thing around them for what they did to me.....I was shangheid and rejected and that hurt.....now it does not......WHAT A GREAT MERICLE IT IS TO BE AWAY FROM THOSE PEOPLE AND NOT HAVE TO TRY TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THERE MEAN CHOICE........ With that said, I will say again....."I love Uncle Warren." I feel no anger or anamostity towards anyone......and his choices he will have to live with........And Gary Engles never hurt me....I just was angry at him too......What happened to Uncle Warren had nothing to do with me at all......I still love WArren Jeffs. I always will......but truth is truth.......I was abandoned and betrayed.....and today...that is the past.....I am moving forward.........and I am not selling out on myself.....I deserved better and I deserve better..........And I love all those that desire to be loved.........I have not written to him in a week. Maybe I will not...If I do it will be a centering on my truth...........I never wanted to marry him....In all truth, I thought he was perfect and I was nothing.......I could not have married him.......I have no desire to marry him...but also I have a great desire to forgive and forget......
ReplyDeleteBesides this was not about what I wanted......It is not about if Warren is right or wrong.....the point is this.....My family at the time professed to believe that Uncle Rulon was the Prophet of God. They professed openly to the world that they believed that Uncle Rulon did get direct revilation from the Lord in his direction to them. They sat there with me that day and heard him say that this man was no longer an honorable man and that he had abused me and my children and in the Lords eyes he would not ever see the Kingdom of God....And he turned to me and said I was not in that condition......So, these great wonderful two faced liar's did pat each other on the back at how wonderful Uncle Rulon was and how they professed to Uphold him and obey him......Then they sold out on me and let this abuser walk free.....Then they said Uncle Warren did this and if they did not do every thing in their power to make my life as miserable as they humanly possibly could, they was going against counsil and would be condemned in hell......But since they did succeed in putting me out and making me suffer they were going to be glorified in heaven.......and I experienced a shift in my thinking......They are blind...Blind as blind, in the darkest night.....I am not guilty....and they did wrong...Until they make it right or make it work for them, they will be miserable and I.......I.........I.........I.........you know, this one here....that is ME...ME....YOU KNOW, THIS ONE THAT IS ME...... I do not need there bagage any longer........I have left that package on the highway between here and Salt Lake...........And quite honestly....I serously doubt Uncle Warren ever even thought about me or my sister, until the day he was arrested and he could not make me quit writing to him.......and I do not need to carry that package of my family's lies any longer it no longer serves me......Have a beautiful life.......I will try again with my email address......ruthjcooke65_@hotmail.com
ReplyDeleteand to those memebers of my family who were there for me, I am grateful you choose the opportunity to be honest.......I love you a great deal. I have always loved my family....I always will. One of my sister's looked me in the eye and told me that the Lord done that to me......I looked her in the face and thought, "I did not know you was the Lord." I did walk away though, to not argue.....See, my family loves to make me suffer so they do not have to account for them......And I felt like if I had starved to death in their street five years ago, they would have really glorified themseves......after all they do not help apostates....right? but I see how wrong I was. If I had starved to death that year, they would have never been able to overcome their weakensses and I am grateful to the Lord for doing what he did for me, to help me not make the greatest mistake of my life, and them too.......I love you. I love them. I love me, and I love Uncle Warren......I love the Lord..........And I was wrong to sell out on myself and pick up some one's anger, to keep me from facing the truth head on.......I am not the man who was guilty...He will have to pay his debt.......and the people in my family are blind.....I know that...How do I know? I did sing in Salt Lake City and I was Loved......My family is blind, and I am a human being.....being blind does not make them bad...It is just the truth......and maybe one day before they leave this world of existance they will be honored to have sight........I am inviting them to find their vision...I am inviting them to grab their happiness........
ReplyDeleteand I am sending an open invitation to all of you to find your vision and happiness.......because quite frankly if you Love Warren Jeffs or if you hate him, you still have to live with your love or anger; what ever you choose......
ReplyDeleteand I am certain that my Mother does not know I was born. I am certain that She has not discovered that yet, but one thing I am certain about is that the Lord loved me. He wanted me. He took the time to gaze over all the People from the begining of time and picked a woman who willingly wanted me. He picked this woman from all time and eternity to have this child with.....He purposly did seek this beautiful woman to experience the joy of giving me birth in the spirit world, so I could enjoy this bodily expereince....For that I thank him, and I thank you for picking this particular time in eternity to be born here to share this earthly experience with.........and with out you, I would have expereinced a very lonly walk through this expereince......
ReplyDeleteand for the record that has been very carefully documented in the effort to destroy an man who is not guilty of evil; What was portrayed on that film Banking ON Heaven was dishonest. I know it and the people who distorted the truth to cover a lie and hurt someone who did not do this evil; It has been carefully documented by you, what happened and in the next life your record is what you will hold in your hand......I was thinking to blame Laurie Allen for this lie...How-ever I know and all those involved know that Laurie Allen was the guppy that was used to portray this lie..........for she took the film, and other's edited it.......and I drink a toast to all of you that have to drink out of your own cup.....for truth will still be truth in the end....no matter how cleaver you were in editing a lie.......for Uncle Warren was not there. My Father did not destroy my life. I am not broken......He is in his choices, drinking his cup........and I lived through the my experience with Sam Barlow, Stephan Barlow, Willard Barlow, Richard Cooke, Marvin Cooke, and Shelly Cooke. One thing I did not realize because I did not get the privledge in the begining to read my records nor did have a choice to what they choose to do, I have to add one more name to this list......Keven Barlow.....I had never in my life spoken with Keven Barlow, and he put his name on Richard Cooke's contract of death for me......so seven names have been added to the list...Keep in mind truth is truth......my discovery of another man who sought my life, does not mean it is up to me to decide his fate. It does not matter if I am beielevd, loved, cherished, hated or persicuted.....The truth is those men are guilty and they know it....They carry the burden not me...I always walked in joy, and love and peace with the Lord, until I looked at those records and choose to be offended.....I have forgiven them, and i will always walk in love and joy....They will have to carry their brains, feelings, thoughts, illusions, lies and deception forever into eternity..........God is no respector's of persons, and they did seek to destroy me.......I have no clue what Uncle Warren thought, said or did, regarding me personally. I have not gotten the courage to face him and ask him.......but one thing I know.....he did not shang hi me....I know who did and so do they....and they documented it....so in the end...it is their record that will condemn them...for they did the deed.....and I have relized it had nothing to do with me. if I had not been there they would have found some one else to hurt...and of all the testimony i have heard in all the woman and children who were vitimized there are with no exception the same men listed.......so I am still wondering in all honesty, "Why did any one hate Uncle Warren?" they can blame him all they like....that does not change truth, and we all know it......
ReplyDeletelyle is the leader now?
ReplyDeleteand to speak upon what I believe to be the truth, is this; I believe that Warren Jeffs was caught and put in Jail to protect me from a judgement. I believe this because the Lord has always been kind to me and protected me. I believe his enamies had no power over him and never have. It also may have been allowed to test him farther, but I know I was protected........and had he spoken in regards to his feelings in my life, I would have been thrust out and been forced into sin....I believe that the Lord loved him enough to spare him the debt; for it was not needed, and me the agony, for it was not destiny.......so I was proteced; and I believe when he is done experiencing what the Lord desires for him he will be released....and his enamies never will and never have had power over him......for I know the Lord holds all things in his hand and holds all power and no human being on earth can opperate outside of the space the Lord has put them......and every soul only has one choice and tons of opportunty to choose that one choice that they choose.......every moment of their lives in the choices that they choose.......
ReplyDeleteand Gary Engles I actually begin to like a little bit after he told someone on the phone it was not going to be as easy as he did think and after I was done screaming at him. I did think he hurt me, but in reallity if I really believe that the Lord has all power and that he allows experiences to come upon me, because that is what I chose in heaven to come here to do...expereince life, then Gary Engles could not possibly hurt me..He has not that power.....In reality I came here to expereice him.....That little bit of him I did see.....He was going to have me arrested for having an opinion, but I felt like making peace with him because my family already robbed me, arrested me and banned me for having an opinion. They did every thing they could to squash my voice and banish me from their sight, because I did think with out their permission, so I did shake hands with Gary Engles and make peace...........and it was not me Gary Engles was persuing. it was Warren Jeffs.......that is not and has not ever had anything to do with me..............
ReplyDeleteAnd if you honestly believe Lyle Jeffs is the Leader now, you deny Christ.........And so does every man who does....and it is also putting an un-fair burden upon Lyle Jeffs....He is subjected to the Lord. He is SUBJECTED TO THE LORD. And if he runs on any principle other than great love and to save every soul he possibly can, he will owe them a debt......And as to Lyle Jeffs, I can testify that he owes me a great debt....And God is my Leader..........for he is not stupid and What I am can be seen with out asking.........even by the weakest of men.........The weakest of men, can see what I am, with out asking. The second they look at me......Lyle Jeffs is not my leader. I desired a leader who was interested in Truth and saving souls......He was no different than Richard Cooke to me....For Richard Cooke closed his door and thought he was big enough to keep me from heaven and over-ride Uncle Rulon and what the Lord said..........Lyle Jeffs is not my leader..........Although I love him with all my heart too......for I have forgiven him. It was also easy to see what Richard Cooke was too, with out asking.........Just like it was easy to see the filth dripping from my Father's mouth..if a person chose to look......Lyle Jeffs will make an account for what he did...just like we all will....
ReplyDeleteWhy isn't Laurene as confused as you are Ruth, she seems to have a level head and knows how to use people. That is just about all the FLDS is, using people instead of loving them. Using the one's they love for personal gain, sounds like a bunch of Gentiles to me
ReplyDeletefollowing a guru. If you drank the Kool Aid, you would probably
discover that everyone ends up at the same place. Many of the FLDS do not claim citizenship in the State or in the U.S., that makes them illegal aliens. Hurrah Arizona!!
besides that here is this little girl. she is a baby. I did bring her home from the hospital. I did go to sleep on the couch.
ReplyDeleteAt midnight i did hear her cry. I did get up. Shelly had her in his arms. He did say she fell out of a swing. I took her to the clinic. Aunt Martha said to watch her. I could not see anything wrong.......
I did take her to Dr. Twiggs. He also said to watch her. I was confused and went behind the hospital to think.......Shelly took this little baby from me. When I came back he said she was throwing up, so he had to take her back into Dr. Twiggs. I did not see her for they said they had flown her to Pheonix.....
and I did drive to phoenix......There she had a fractured skull. It was fratured from ear to ear....They asked me if I wanted to put her up for adoption...I would not....
ReplyDeleteThere was an investigation.....I did not know what happened to her....Clark Cooke who was Shelly's brother did the investigation...Shelly said Clark was just trying to make trouble....they questioned me....I had no knowledge of what happened.....Shelly said she fell from a swing....I took care of her for ten years........She died in Richard Cooke's house, why he abused me and her.........I married Willard Barlow and lived with him for one year.....He knew me. He knew me because he did keep me away from Richard Cooke until he found out what Richard Cooke was like....
Then they did both enjoy making fun of me.......Willard also was abusive and teased his children. He beat LeeAnn who was his first wife....He beat his children.....Alvin Barlow also used to beat his children...Maybe he still does...I do not know, but he used to beat his handicap child, Kendal when I was in school.
I also suspected that Willard was mollesting Sherrie..His oldest daughter, because I found her in the closet one day saying she hated him. it was not until I confronted him with this that he started targeting me.......
and my brother Marvin did not target me, until i walked in on him with Carloline on his lap....She ran away from him later.......but that brings me back to my daughter.....they had no right to do to her what they did.......
Richard Cooke said if I did not do what he wanted, I would not ever see my children again.....He threatened my daughter who is ten..He told me what they would do to her if I did not do what he said........I did not want her hurt....with out me they would have to figure out another lie, if anything happened to her.....she is ten now......LeeAnn is blind too...She cries a lot and only looks at LeeAnn.....She would not know what Willard does with her daughters, because she lied about him beating her.......so he has his lie.....
me, I was punished and punished and punished and punished and punished and punished and punished and punished and punished and punished and punished and punsished to conform to the abuse of these men.......
So, they loved abusers, and I did write to them, so they could have Willard's desire to destroy me; but I lived in spite of them.....and I did not abuse my daughter.....Not ever.....and all they will have is there perfect record of lies.......these men who did torment me......I have talked to Keven Barlow once, and that was since i seen the records of their lies....Barlow's always hated me......always....so they have a perfect record of their lies......and that is the cup they will drink in the reserection day.......
But I will tell you one man who was a witness to what Uncle Rulon said. Warren Jeffs. He was there...they had Shelly sit behind me and I was close to Uncle Rulon...I did not know Shelly's lie to him....so, Uncle Rulon asked me what I had said.......Warren Jeffs was a witness. Richard Cooke was a witness. Lorin Cooke was a witness. Shirley Cooke was a witness. Sam Barlow was a witness. and I still do not know for certain what happened to that girl who died ten years later.......Just what I feel in my heart they did..for Richard Cooke told me what he was going to do.......I did not see if he really did or not.......and no one got any letter's of any kind from me, until they forced me upon Richard Cooke. and the debt is not mine....I have nothing to hide from the Lord or this country......
ReplyDeleteand if it takes me forever to have the debt owed to my daughter acknowleded I shall be speaking in heaven.....for they had no right.......none........Lyle Jeffs I did not know.......I only seen him breifly.........I thought he would help me.......He turned away from me....but those who knew......those who knew......they owe the debt....and I have no secrets........and I am not ashamed of what I have done with my life......for I have injured no one........I did see Warren Jeffs one other time....That was when I did go and see him.....He did smile at me and tell me I was forgiven...I did not know what I was forgiven for......and Richard Cooke wanted to know why I did not ask Uncle Warren. I never knew what I was supposed to ask for. I still do not.....for if he supposed it was Willard I was going to ask for again, He did not know me very well.....my daughter's blood is upon Willard Barlow's hands....for He is the one who went to school with a drug addict in Cedar City named Brad, and it was this Brad that he offered LeeAnn too.....and nothing on this earth could induce me to go back to Willard......He offered to buy me breakfast the day before I left for Salt Lake......
ReplyDeleteand Willard Barlow is very strong and cruel. He punishes and punishes until a person feels like every thing is hopeless....and in heaven I will be waiting, but that is no comfort....to know his soul is lost is no comfort to me....and those he sabataged, and I know why these girls do not talk.....for the men are flattered why the women are hated for speaking...but the men will pay the debt for their abuse.....all of them....and Susie's Father should not have been protected...not a whit.....so, I know why they hated me.....but the Lord seen them......
ReplyDeleteand besides that Laureen also did get picked up from her bed and thrust out into the world when she was not doing anything but minding her own business, and it was Not Uncle Warren who did this......
ReplyDeleteLaurene chose to enter that world and chose to leave it. Flushing
ReplyDeleteher unborn child down the toilet of
that outside world, so that she could be pure enough to return to Val. To be accepted back after her sacrifice of a innocent.
some one has gone far out into the outer spaces of reality.......Just like with me....these people here think I have had affairs with men....that is far from the truth.....but it does not matter.......they did not care about truth....they cared about a slick talking creep and his lie.....that is the illusion they hold, and soon they will fall into the dark abyss of their brains....so that is that.....Uncle Warren was not going to kidnap any one....He did not care....Willard got his glory and so did Val....Do you really think Val cared? It does not matter anyhow......I know Uncle Warren did not order my destrution either.....that was the great lie of his people......I feel like he did not care a whit...not even to as much as think about me, let alone think to kidnap me or my sister...we was not anything to him...........and Willards lie, and Keven Barlow's lie and all the rest is just a lie.........the truth is that every soul here let a guilty man walk and harrssed me for what he did.....and I do not care any more....It was interesting, because Richard Cooke openly boasted that they was going to do this deed and every one would blame me....so Uncle WArren never knew and never cared and neither did anyone else.....so it is.....
ReplyDeleteand to be honest with you, after I read what they all said about me, I fed them their lie back to them. And the truth is they loved lies more than truth.......and they all know the truth.........and so do I.....They could have fed me to a fish and every one would have been standing around saying that was just what Willard needed to do and he was a great hero...........to them I already am dead....that was their desire........with the Lord I live......
ReplyDeleteYou must realize that you speak lies too. Val never had the power or the right to make a decision. He was an apostate...He also was a traitor. He also was barred from heaven, and no man can make the desision for another...The Lord does put all men in the place that justice demands......Val could not reject her or me, nor could he decide our fate...what he was was a liar......and I know nothing about Laurene, except my expereicne with her......And I was not ever a witness to her aborting a baby....And I do not beleive she would. If she did it does not matter what anyone does...The Lord will bar her from the kingdom...And all those that destroy life, will not have eternal life...it is impossible..no matter what I think or do not think....this blog is full of garbage....
ReplyDeleteAnd as a witness, I know that Laurene did not choose to leave my community. Nor did she choose to be walking through Sam Barlow's gauntlet..........and Neither did I.......and you who do promote the grossest lies will weep, when the Lord does also stop your evil...for he will........
ReplyDeleteThis blog is sometimes full of a lot of confusion brought on directly by heavy flds indoctrination since birth of the person or persons who seem to dominate it. Like so many cults, flds beliefs create a separate little universe for thousands of people born into it.They see this great country(albeit imperfect,just like all countries on earth)yet still very beautiful country, the US, and the entire world, as "rejected by God," yet this relatively very tiny group,flds, are taught to see themselves as "elite." This is completely wrong, since Jesus is the only worthy Person, and those who love Him truly should be humble, not proud of their own outward appearance, or man's efforts-based practices, as somehow making them superior to their fellow man.The classic "us versus them mentality," is unnecessary and unhealthy,and it leads to much mental trouble,when in fact, flds are just part of the human race.They MUST start obeying the laws of the land!they can keep their practices that are not crimes,-who cares about the clothes,hairstyles,whatever, that isn't against any law-- it is the abuses and the crimes that must stop permanently, or this confusion and numerous related legal problems will have to continue indefinitely. flds beliefs and practices are simply just twisted and wrong in so many instances. Thankfully, polygamy and underage marriage are against the law in all US states,and may it stay that way. Those two practices breed this huge amount of serious abuse,and many other illegal actions flds believe in,such as extortion,lying to those not part of the cult,and other wrong practices that are simply against the Bible's greatest teachings. Many flds beliefs ARE based squarely on crimes, and upon ignoring huge portions of clear Bible ethics and standards for daily life. All these very upsetting abuses and crimes you constantly speak about are directly related to flds doctrine and its heavy influence on the many people you mention. Again:STOP defending these mere mortal people who claim to be things they never were,or ever could be,stop defending the incredible lies that are a huge percentage of flds thinking, and focus only on Jesus. (and not the polygamous, false "Jesus" taught by mormonism.)You do a lot better when you get your eyes on the Bible's Christ alone, and keep them off these other people who also were victims of flds indoctrination,shocking error,terrible deceit and confusion, law breaking, and craziness. Jesus is their only true Judge,you know that, and He knows how much error they were also exposed to their whole lives, just like you. For the ones that must be dealt with by our human courts, so be it. They knew the laws all along and continued to stubbornly disobey them, while others in the US must obey the very same laws or risk jail.We will all ultimately appear ONLY before the Judgment seat of Christ, and no other, not any Jeffs family member, not anybody from Utah or wherever. Just Jesus. Keep it to that realization.
ReplyDeleteYes, even your judges and lawyers will stand before Jesus to be Judged; just like in the days of old. For the Lord is the same God as Abrham, Issac and Jacob worshiped.......and Celestial law is his law.....
ReplyDeleteand it is written in the Bible, though shalt not kill.
ReplyDeleteHonor thy father and thy Mother;
though shalt not be two faced.
though shalt not commit adultry
though shalt not steal.
though shalt not bear faulse witness
though shalt not injur thy neighbor nor, do him any harm......ect...ect...ect....though shalt not have rich or poor....
though shall not critazise......
and besides that to the one who did wonder why I did start defending Warren Jeffs again, I will tell you this....I never quit......I believe what he taught......It is the same as Joseph Smith taught.....and I will tell you this in answer to the one who did think to accuse about aborting baby's. Willard tried to make me abort my baby...I did run away from him and get medical care....Her life was spared.... and so was the other's he tried to destroy....The only one that was not was Donna, for he and Richard Cooke did succeed, but only because I had no knowledge of it until ten years later........and they boasted about doing this......and maybe the people who did tell me that was what happened did lie and I really do not know....This I do know; I did all I could for her...I loved her, AND I STill love her......
ReplyDeleteHOw, did it feel Richard Cooke to know that no one in my family cared if you destroyed me.....I told them to give you a gold medal of honor, for that day......How, did it feel to abuse your children and have every one look the other way, and know beyond a reasonable doubt that no one cared if you did destroy us? How did that feel? How did it feel to know my Mother's hated me so much that they would stand there in that line that day, and throw your cloths in my face and not care a whit if you tried to destroy me? How did it feel to have woman like that around you? How did it feel to know no one would care about your abuse? How did it feel to know my Mother's hated me? Your good ol, freindly cops still hate me? How did it feel to know you had so much help in destroying me? How did it feel to abuse your children? How did it feel to know I was not wanted.....and my Mother did not care? How did it feel to have my sabatage so wonderfully in your hands? How did it feel to know you was big engough to destroy? How did it feel to know my Mother's hate me, and my life was worth nothing to them......Come visit Lorin. He is your hero.......He just took over your job.......How does it feel to know I was hated?
ReplyDeleteLyle Jeffs is Warrens brother, he is currently the "Bishop" of Shortcreek.
ReplyDeleteIts a rather poor appointment, as he is a creep, and doesnt get along well with others.
Wendell was recently appointed "President" of the FLDS Church. While he awaits his Texas trial.
Warren remains "Prophet in exile" as he awaits his Federal and Texas trial too.
But hey. Who would have ever thought there would be dysfunction at the junction?
Why should anyone bother obeying the laws of the land when people with good intentions turn the perps in and all that happens is some displacement of air?
ReplyDeleteIt's all well and good to say Warren Jeffs and his cronies, or the entire FLDS for that matter, should stop their illegal practices but when you tell law enforcement, they just turn a blind eye.
Ruth went through it. Her sister went through it, too.
If law enforcement and the laws of the land held any kind of weight, why would Carolyn Jessop, the two Fawns or any other FLDS refugee need to sneak out under cover of darkness?
Why shouldn't Ruth believe in the prophet, or anyone else? Her government hasn't proved he's wrong. Granted he's in prison, but look how long it took for them to put him there. And that hold might turn out to be a fragile one after all.
If Ruth and the rest of the FLDS want to believe as the Constitution says they have the right to, then we should shut up and leave them alone.
When law enforcement consistently upholds the law and stops ignoring bribes and other tokens of corruption, then maybe . . . MAYBE we can bitch about who is believing in what and whom.
Until then, we need to leave Ruth alone.
probely lyle jeffs will be next prophet
ReplyDeleteWarren isnt going anywhere - but from one prison to the next.
ReplyDeleteOn top of that, he and many FLDS have tax liens that are in the millions, and the IRS hasnt even filed this years yet.
Ruth can believe what she likes, I have no problem with that.
However the subjugation of women and children, along with other crimes, has brought the attention of Law Enforcement yet again into the camp of assorted Mormon fundamentalists.
For instance, Jacqueline LeBaron was just captured and brought back to the US for her murder trial.
The beat goes on.....
yes, Laurie Allen's lie is a monster........She was not ever in the fundamental church here....I wonder why people love to carry lies.......but then every one has to have their illusion's.......
ReplyDeleteLaurie Allen was a LaBaron. That is why she hates so much.....that is all. She never knew anything about Warren Jeffs one way or the other.....
ReplyDeleteWomen of the FLDS - take your information directly to the authorities. In the United States of America, dial 211 and get the hotline that you need.
ReplyDeleteGet these perverts behind bars so they stop raping children and calling it Gods will.
The only thing godly about it will be judgement day for the bastards.
Lets hope that Warren changes prisons like he changed wives.
ReplyDeleteLets also hope that he meets up with men who do not like weasels like him who sexually assault children and demean women.
Oh I think Warren will meet his maker in prison but it won't be God, it will be Big Moe.
so you have spoken your guilt.......
ReplyDeleteit is written that the worst of men will wish they had repented at the reserection day, and if I did not know your lie so clearly, I may have sympathied with your lie; but instead I pray for your soul.............that you speadily repent of your lies, lest your reserection day be filled with weeping and mourning.......
ReplyDeleteand also if you know about Big Moe then you must surly know of what that is about......if you stood on your truth of what you know of assurady to know and turn in those around you, instead of hurting those who know no guilt, you would be far closer to a gloriouse reserection.......for with the Lord there is no deception......only truth will abide......for your brain will be unrolled as a scroll, with every thought and deed there for a record.....so If I had not known your lie so clearly, I may have sympathized.........
ReplyDeleteand although learned men, boast of their streanth and glory, they can make every part of a person,but the spirit....so big Moe can not make anyone at all......He is no one's maker.....
ReplyDeleteGood gosh, the contents of the brain will be unrolled!! That makes it sound like some sort of fruit roll up confection for God to judge. Are we just brain candy for God to judge as if for some
ReplyDeleteprize? When we judge a pecan pie contest on earth, are we mocking God?
you maybe need to study the scriptures more. If you do not understand, please do not try to teach.....especially what you know nothing about......
ReplyDeleteThe scriptures were transcribed by man, not God. Subject to man's editing skills, such literature
ReplyDeleteis subject to modification. Everytime you look between the lines to gain more knowledge, you are looking into yourself and your personal viewpoints.
and frankly the point was missed. It was not about scripture or about tehnicality's of religion....The point is this.......I know that anyone who say's Warren Jeffs is a crimnal, or a bad person does lie....It is that simple and they confess all their sins and they know it....an accusation is a confession............so, if I did not know the lie about him too clearly, I may be succered for the lies of deciviers......
ReplyDeleteSo you think it was OK for him to marry off girls as young as fourteen and leave them to be raped? Or to ignore the fact that countless others, boys and girls, were being horrendously abused while he turned a blind eye? Was it OK for him to allow young children to be pulled out of school so they could be on work crews and sometimes watch their brothers killed because of dangerous equipment or because they fell off a roof?
ReplyDeleteIf that's what your god condones, I'll gladly claim heathendom and paganism. I prefer a gentler religion.
The god(s)of the flds are NOT and NEVER will be the God of the Bible and true Christianity. Even if a person rejects the Jesus Christ of the New Testament(who is definitely not the same Jesus of Mormon beliefs,) they can still see that flds beliefs contrasted with New Testament and Christ's life and teachings therein are two very different things, if they look into the matter. The outright rejection of many civil laws, based upon Old Testament teachings regarding incest, are earmarks of flds practices as well.Mormon writings are full of out-of-context,borrowed items from Christian scriptures, mixed liberally with absolutely unbiblical and false,harmful early mormon ideas and writings by very imperfect and unwise, selfish men.Flds are programmed from infancy to believe their very flawed leaders are to never be questioned. Once THAT is understood, it becomes "understandable," (but very tragic) that some of them will defend those "prophets" to the dying breath. No matter how many sick crimes these "leaders" are known by many to have committed-No matter the ample,distressing documentation, and no matter if that "prophet" actually confesses with his faculties completely intact, that he knows he has wronged many people and lived an evil life. This took place. Warren clearly asked it to be communicated widely to and irreversibly amongst all flds,yet many in the flds are incapable of accepting that it has been ordered by him, to listen to his words on this, and accept new "leadership." He is a guilty of much more offenses than he is already being held in jail for.This has been withheld cruelly from them,to perpetuate the thick veil of lies by flds leadership.It is a universe-crushing situation for flds general membership, so they will continue to live in total denial whenever the pain of facing reality is unbearable.
ReplyDeleteRecall, also, that the age of 14 was not the youngest known marriage age for flds females. At least one person from San Angelo heard a child from yfz say their older sister was 15 years old and pregnant with her 5th child. This would indicate a marriage at age 11 or barely turned 12, if they were all single births. Also, chillingly,girls at yfz told investigators repeatedly that "no age is too young to be married." Warren was photographed multiple times with various child brides, some of whom were recently turned 12 years old. Let his defenders continue their tragic defense of this sinful, money-hungry, and perverted man. He is just exactly like so many other evil leaders of many misguided groups down through history. Unfortunately, there will probably be more like him yet to come.
yes, like I said, continually truth is overlooked to feed a lie.......I did listen to Warren's so called confession, and if you go back and listen he says this is for you....to the man he was speaking to.....listen with your hearts and hear the truth. for when you get into the spirit world you will weep and morn that you did not qualify with your full potential...and i will say again, "If I could not see your lies about him so clearly, I may have been succered into your deception....and you scream your lies so loudly, as if that will make them true...........
ReplyDeleteI will say this another way....when you leave this world all you will have is what you are........one way or the other....if you can live comfortably with yourself, do not scream at me with your lies..........for I see them too clearly........and do not take my word for it....search your hearts and see if you are prepared for the second coming of Christ......I have work to do...what about you?
ReplyDeleteMaybe Warren Jeffs doesn't really WANT to go to Heaven. After all, do you think God will let Warren Jeffs molest little girls in Heaven?
ReplyDeleteMaybe he is trying to ensure his own destruction. That would explain why he has broken almost every single commandment.
you speak with lies, for he is not guilty......
ReplyDeleteWarren is guilty of all your sins...
ReplyDeleteWarren Jeffs is already serving a 10-year sentence for rape as an accomplice. So he's definitely guilty of that.
ReplyDeleteHe has also been indicted for sexual molestation both in Arizona and in Texas. I'm waiting until all the evidence comes out during the trials before making a final decision, because I want to form my opinion based on facts, not tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories about persecution.
But I've already seen the photos of him making out like an old horndog with girls who are only twelve or thirteen. Yuck!
yes the lies are there.....I know he is not guilty.....and those photo's were fixed, not real....and He is not guilty.....and these people would not know sin if they seen it...for this nation is full of sin, and think to harass a man who is perfect.....
ReplyDeleteLOL yeah those haters took home photos of 12-year-old FLDS girls making out with other 50-year-old FLDS men, and then fixed the photos so Warren Jeffs' face was in it.
ReplyDeleteThe underage pregnancies were "fixed" also I'm sure.
Ruth, I quote from Val and direct it to you. Your belief system Ruth is "Lies, all lies".
ReplyDeleteIf you live in lies you will never see the truth, Satan rules the minds and practices of the FLDS, just as it rules the U.S.. and the world. Everyone achieves heaven, everyone will reach the highest levels.
So Ruth, go dance in the streets and sing your songs of madness.
Well, I agree there are a lot of lies which Ruth and others programmed like her still believe, because of flds leadership and completely fabricated teachings, (which are supposed to be "Bible-type thinking" but are often very far from it)-but I definitely agree with Ruth there is sin of all kinds everywhere, not just with groups like the flds! Further, I definitely cannot agree that "everyone achieves heaven," etc. No, no no, on that idea! If there is attempted justice on earth, with all its good and bad decisions and outcomes, there would have to be a Great Judge of all,for all time, dealing with matters of the heart and soul far more precisely and justly. Far more so than any human judge, and certainly far wiser,merciful,and truth-oriented than any flds leader has ever been or could be. So I remain somewhat in agreement with Ruth about some sin issues, while also continuing to wish she and all flds were able to see the wrongs,,failings, and and mortality of their"prophets." Worshipping anyone except Jesus is completely wrong. The Ten Commandments tell humans not to worship anything or anyone but God Himself.Christ is the Invisible God made visible, according to the New Testament.If one will not worship even Him, that is part of many (often disillusioned,)human beings' choices- very often it happens directly because of twisted and wrong teachings such as flds,those who survive such groups want nothing to do with God again, even though He is real and very much unlike what they were taught. Far greater, far wiser, and eternal.Jesus does not force loyalty and faith upon us,but there is a day some time in the future described in Philippians where all will show homage to Christ or suffer consequences-a different subject for a different discussion and day.)It is simply idolatry,and therefore very wrong, to worship any leader except Christ. Warren Jeffs and the others who've demanded homage and total obedience were outrageous and wrong to do so. Not only were they not immortal or holy, but quite unholy and criminal so very many times. This is all sad and will apparently not end any time soon, we agree on that much, I do believe.
ReplyDeleteI do not worship a man...That I assure you..........what man is not subject to make mistakes..........who among you is perfect....let him cast the first stone, and I assure you Warren Jeffs is not guilty........and this whole United States appears to be falling.....be that as it may.....do as good as you can......
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