tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post116991726366263523..comments2023-10-29T16:28:32.158-05:00Comments on TEXAS POLYGAMY: Fundamentalism in any formweblog administratorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02235229368378151618noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170209263725729852007-01-30T20:07:00.000-06:002007-01-30T20:07:00.000-06:00Education - huge huge. Each individual would have...Education - huge huge. Each individual would have an assessment, and then a learning plan could be developed specifically to the needs of that person keeping in mind their goals for themselves, as well as basic educational requirements.<BR/><BR/>Even in areas where kids go to a nice public high school, they still need assistance in helping them understand the opportunities that exist which wouldATAR_ihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10883525547158688152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170189736379358942007-01-30T14:42:00.000-06:002007-01-30T14:42:00.000-06:00Throw sex education in there too. Unprotected sex ...Throw sex education in there too. Unprotected sex is a big problem with these kids. They end up having children when they need to learn to grow up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170189610151027012007-01-30T14:40:00.000-06:002007-01-30T14:40:00.000-06:00Some of the kids that are kicked out actually just...Some of the kids that are kicked out actually just leave out of rebellion to their parents/religion/ect. and are so overwhelmed with the freedom that is afforded them, they tend to go straight to the things that were wicked/wrong/etc. Turns out some of those things are bad for you, alcohol, smoking, drugs, etc. So if you could provide a home with rules and more importantly education where some Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170186433663445212007-01-30T13:47:00.000-06:002007-01-30T13:47:00.000-06:00I think this is a step in the right direction. In...I think this is a step in the right direction. In the past they have been turned out without a support system. If we can get more of them into a foster type situation where they have to answer to someone other than themselves they will not be as likely to be a 'victim'. They need a good role model to help them with self discipline before they can acheive independence.fttchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16322998105598110512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170186159231362192007-01-30T13:42:00.000-06:002007-01-30T13:42:00.000-06:00I hope we are not making victoms out of the kids t...I hope we are not making victoms out of the kids that leave the crick. is there some way to propel them into self reliance rather than dependency.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07240960812804496219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170181061826351912007-01-30T12:17:00.000-06:002007-01-30T12:17:00.000-06:00I heard about that Bruce - and I'm glad you made t...I heard about that Bruce - and I'm glad you made the decision you did.<BR/><BR/>I know 'girls' offer quite a bit more challenge (they are wanted), and it might not be something that would be utilized initially, so it doesn't need to be so large, perhaps just SECURE, very secure. It might not even work as a long term placement option, but for the short term, might be rather like an embassy.ATAR_ihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10883525547158688152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170166192681578732007-01-30T08:09:00.000-06:002007-01-30T08:09:00.000-06:00As far as helping - I agree.I was told I was in a ...As far as helping - I agree.<BR/><BR/>I was told I was in a cult all my life, and I just learned to look at people and see how unaware they were, and how they 'didn't really know'.<BR/><BR/>I like the 19 bedroom house in CC as a place for lost sould from that area. Is anyone able to do that?<BR/><BR/>I hope Bruce can make that happen. I hope they get more houses, some for girls, or women as ATAR_ihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10883525547158688152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170165950523107932007-01-30T08:05:00.000-06:002007-01-30T08:05:00.000-06:00The only way I can explain the change, the ever ch...The only way I can explain the change, the ever changing nature of a progressing fundamentalism...is fashion.<BR/><BR/>It sounds ridiculous at the outset, but it's the easiest way to explain the constantly evolving nature of spirituality. <BR/><BR/>If it's easy, or everyone has it, then it is no longer special, or different, or unique. The constant changes keep people on their toes, waiting in ATAR_ihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10883525547158688152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170135880203245062007-01-29T23:44:00.000-06:002007-01-29T23:44:00.000-06:00Anon 10:53,I don't know what kind of messed up rel...Anon 10:53,<BR/><BR/>I don't know what kind of messed up religion you are from or have heard about, but all the ones I know of only excommunicate people as a last resort. They give them every chance they can to change and repent before excommunicating them. And if nothing else, they tell them what crime they are guilty of. That is a luxury that 99% of the men that have been kicked out by Joseph Rohbockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10497191559116442740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170134361902330132007-01-29T23:19:00.000-06:002007-01-29T23:19:00.000-06:00iitmocYour post just caught up to me when I was in...iitmoc<BR/><BR/>Your post just caught up to me when I was in a funky mood. I know no one was being morbid. I really did get your point the first time. You are right on target. Also Atar, furnace, Joseph and uncaduff. I agree with the sentiments expressed by all of you. I am certain that Anon 10:53 is talking of some of those who had the right name, inside knowledge or influence to convince fttchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16322998105598110512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170132791359386022007-01-29T22:53:00.000-06:002007-01-29T22:53:00.000-06:00In any church excommunication is a Love ordinace. ...In any church excommunication is a Love ordinace. To disfellowship a person is get him or her to look at their self from a distance. Any case that is addressed is only out of Love. When ever a person is corrected a Good person will always say "where in can I do Better" and a Bad Person will always say "everyone is mean to me,"its their fault. The LDS Church excommunicates people all the time.To Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170123619635233642007-01-29T20:20:00.000-06:002007-01-29T20:20:00.000-06:00Atar-i, it's very much like "furnace" says. Tryin...Atar-i, it's very much like "furnace" says. Trying to tell them that they are in a cult just adds gas to the fire. I think you are so right with the "sheep being cooked" analogy. There were people that had strayed just a little, made a few mistakes, and they were literally "cooked" so bad that they would never even think about wanting to go back. They would have nothing to go back to. Their Joseph Rohbockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10497191559116442740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170120947070432882007-01-29T19:35:00.000-06:002007-01-29T19:35:00.000-06:00So, has anyone ever found a successful way to help...So, has anyone ever found a successful way to help people see the true nature of the situation they are in (cult).<BR/><BR/>I know we all figured it out, but how do you help other see? Is it even possible?<BR/><BR/>Perhaps there is more than just learning how to deal with the aftermath, perhaps there is a proactive way to help those inside.<BR/><BR/>Anyone know?ATAR_ihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10883525547158688152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170119034221453592007-01-29T19:03:00.000-06:002007-01-29T19:03:00.000-06:00fttc:I have great respect for you as a person and ...fttc:<BR/><BR/>I have great respect for you as a person and for you contributions on this forum. A morbid post was not my intention, but re-reading it, it could certainly be interpreted that way.<BR/><BR/>I didn’t mean that the other sheep were literally eating or killing that lost sheep. When I said "cooked" I was referring to a judgement passed upon that sheep (representing a person who Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170116430492986342007-01-29T18:20:00.000-06:002007-01-29T18:20:00.000-06:00Jeremiah, Chapter 231. Woe be unto the pastors tha...Jeremiah, Chapter 23<BR/><BR/>1. Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.<BR/><BR/>2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.<BR/><BR/>3 And I will gather theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170116162752280122007-01-29T18:16:00.000-06:002007-01-29T18:16:00.000-06:00""A leader among the "sheep" would be one that say...""A leader among the "sheep" would be one that says "follow the Shepard", an imposter would be one who says "follow me, and I and I alone will lead you how the Shepard wants you lead, yea, I will make you be obedient or I will cast you out." One does it for the Glory of the Shepard, and the other for their own power and glory. It is the difference between two of our Lord’s sons, Jesus and LuciferAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170110205796614282007-01-29T16:36:00.000-06:002007-01-29T16:36:00.000-06:00iitmocWhile we're being morbid I find a flaw in yo...iitmoc<BR/><BR/>While we're being morbid I find a flaw in your analogy. In the FLDS the wandering sheep is not even worthy of providing the lamb for the feast. Their shepard would have to use one of the faithful. Saddest part is they would willingly be eaten.fttchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16322998105598110512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170108690374669192007-01-29T16:11:00.000-06:002007-01-29T16:11:00.000-06:00PB,if the sheep are living among canibales,it's no...PB,if the sheep are living among canibales,it's no wonder one would want to leave, dont ewe think?<BR/><BR/> uncaduff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170104615918475482007-01-29T15:03:00.000-06:002007-01-29T15:03:00.000-06:00All liars are banned from this site.So please get ...All liars are banned from this site.So please get off this site. Ok thanxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170103089011003872007-01-29T14:38:00.000-06:002007-01-29T14:38:00.000-06:00PB,You said: "I agree with you 100%, but my guess ...PB,<BR/><BR/>You said: "I agree with you 100%, but my guess is when the sheppard comes back with that 1 sheep and they have their celebration, which sheep do you think they'll cook up for their party? Just a funny thought."<BR/><BR/>OK, he may get “cooked” but is it the Shepard or the other sheep who have the right to decide to "cook" the wayward one? I would think it is the Shepard. <BR/><BR/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170100929800267372007-01-29T14:02:00.000-06:002007-01-29T14:02:00.000-06:00"It is of no importance who said what when. What i..."It is of no importance who said what when. What is important is how we all live our lives and how we treat each other. I can believe differently then you, but what is truly important is how i treat you and visa versa."<BR/><BR/>*sarcasm on*<BR/><BR/>What a concept! Don't you all know I am the Lord's one and only whether you believe it or not? Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170099724600335242007-01-29T13:42:00.000-06:002007-01-29T13:42:00.000-06:00A post with people commenting in it..... what a co...A post with people commenting in it..... what a concept. <BR/><BR/>First, atar_i it sounds like you need a hug. You went 3 shades of postal on Mr. Ignorant. It's like hanging out in a viper pit and getting pissed off when one bites you. HAHA! I appreciate your rational outlook on life and to this blog. <BR/><BR/>Second, IITMOC you said this, <BR/><BR/>The Lord is about love, not control. Does HeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170084315279506992007-01-29T09:25:00.000-06:002007-01-29T09:25:00.000-06:00Anon 12:54I couldn't find that book in any of the ...Anon 12:54<BR/><BR/>I couldn't find that book in any of the Washington County Library brances. (For those not in Utah, Washington County is the county Hildale is in--there are three branches ranging from 1/2 hour drive to a little over one hour drive away from Hildale). <BR/><BR/>I am now 2/3 through a borrowed copy of "Releasing the Bonds", also by Steven Hassan, and the parallels are strikingfurnacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08474573802743181061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170053662736175232007-01-29T00:54:00.000-06:002007-01-29T00:54:00.000-06:00This is a two part post.Atari,Thanks for the post....This is a two part post.<BR/><BR/>Atari,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post. When I first left C.C., I felt very much alone in the world. Then I came across a book written by Stephen Hassan (not sure on the spelling). He was in a cult and escaped. Later he became an exit counselor and wrote books. One of which is titled "Combatting Cult Mind Control". It was odd for me to read the book, but something Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11081631.post-1170046101352033912007-01-28T22:48:00.000-06:002007-01-28T22:48:00.000-06:00As most of you know, I did not grow up FLDS, but g...As most of you know, I did not grow up FLDS, but grew up with fundamentalism of another kind. <BR/><BR/>And when I watched that 7 year old girl Rachael in the movie 'Jesus Camp' mocking people "who sang 'three songs' (she mimicks a staunch demeanor) and then heard a sermon", and proceeds to initmate that their worship and learning is somehow sub par.<BR/><BR/>It echoed of familiarity, and ATAR_ihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10883525547158688152noreply@blogger.com