Wednesday, July 26, 2006

Regarding Looking for Loved Ones

Albert Council is living in SLC and is doing well. William Jessop aka William Timpson is bishop at YFZ. The Petersons who were living at CC are not connected with the Peterson group out of Las Vegas. I don't know where they are.

Willie Jessop, son of Glade Jessop, is one of Warren's bodyguards. He was recently involved in a police raid on a home in Cedar City. I think he has been subpoenaed to go before the grand jury in Phoenix.

The wives of Joe, Dan, and Nephi Barlow were put into WJ's mix. I don't know any specifics. I know they are very unhappy.

Does anyone know anything about Boyd and Gail Roundy?

Where is Edmund Barlow? Is he in Mexico?

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

I heard Boyd Roundy was sent to Las Vegas.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of people who have not been seen in a while. Does anyone know where Ruby Jessop is? Heard she was with WJ. Anyone know?

Anonymous said...

Boyd is in Henderson working with Eaglecraft. Or so I heard.

onthestreet said...

Does anyone know where they themselves are? Has anyone found their true selves? Well, keep looking. Just don't chase your tail.

Anonymous said...

My grandmothers are not unhappy! You dont know what you are talking about.

I know where Ruby Jessop is. Where she wants to be.

Anonymous said...

How do you know what Ruby wants?

desert darling said...

Are they really happy, or is it just another group of pasted on smiles?

Anonymous said...

As a member of the "Peterson Group", I can confirm we don't and haven't had anyone living in CC.

ATAR_i said...

You can never really know the spirit of a strong woman is doing. Strong women are capable, and make the best of situations.

It doesn't mean that there aren't secret heartaches and silent tears protected by a world created so no one can see that pain.

Sometimes what we're allowed to see, isn't always what is there.

Fredonia Friend said...

While we're on the subject of "silent tears" I'd like to ask Desert Darling what she thinks of this quote by Flora Jessop, in an TV interview that aired Wednesday night on Las Vegas' KBVC Channel 3 news:

"A practice of the FLDS. One of the things that they have declared is that God finds crying babies offensive, so they teach their babies not to cry between 6 and 15 months of age. They do this one of two ways: They repeatedly slap the faces of their crying babies or they hold their faces under running water. When you take away the voice of a baby, of a child, the only means of communicating that it is hungry, sick, hurting, any of those things, you own that child."

It's something Flora says lasts into adulthood for the women in particular. "The women's dress style. Their colors of clothes they can wear. The styles of hair is all dictated by the prophet. That's how controlling the environment is with these people."

Check out this story and video footage and another story about how Las Vegas tax dollars are being spent to fund Warren's time on the run at this link:

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=5201924&nav=15MV

Uncle Ratt said...

I have a question about these women that are supposed to be happy with their husband-swapping ordeal. I suppose that anyone being transported to Warren's concentration camp, deprived of their free agency, would be just happy as a lark (not).

Anonymous said...

I can answer the question from fredonia friend. I am FLDS, and if I ever saw someone doing that to a baby they would not be here today. My children have never had anything even close to that done to them. I give my children the right to choose. I try to teach them to choose right, and what I think is the right way, but NEVER force them. As for all of this BS about being told not to laugh that it lets HF spirit leave the body, and so forth, is as I said BS. We are taught to be temperent in all things. Silliness can lead to the lack of HF spirit very quickly. I for one find it very enjoyable to sit and wrestle with my boys and tickling them. I will not say that Flora tells nothing but lies. I think she exaggerates somethings that happened to her in her childhood, and I want to say I base this off of my experiances here. But the filth that she is saying now is a bunch of garbage and lies made up to excite angry emotions in people.

ATAR_i said...

I can't answer for FLDS, but my sisters group didn't like unhappy babies either, but the babies/toddlers had to stay in the long services with the parents.

She had a terrible time keeping all her little ones happy, and got glaring stares from members about her ability to control her children. Getting packed for the service became an art - and sometimes she got it right.

I wouldn't doubt that in some small populations of people that sort of thing is employed, but I doubt it is widespread. I've heard a lot of people state that they would never put up with something like that.

However, I'm certain there are a few who take the 'be sweet' to it's highest degree, and insist in conformation of the smallest babies to that decree.

Anonymous said...

Holding babies faces under water... Yes happened to me, and I saw it happen to plenty of others in the FLDS circles.

Being out now, I realize just how much physical abuse was going on in the FLDS that you thought was "normal".

This religion has scarred so many people... and it takes years to heal those scars. And that's comming from someone who as been through it...

When will this madness end.....????

unrestrained said...

does anyone know where the Musser clan ended up after Guy Musser died? Did they go to CC?

ATAR_i said...

I don't think the scars ever go away, they just get smaller.

someone who cares said...

I am so happy to give you all some good news for once. I'm sure you are all familiar with Fawn Broadbent's story. Well, I am very happy to announce that she has graduated high school and is doing very well. And has gone on a congratulatory trip to Hawaii. She is a true fighter and we all should be very proud of her for overcoming such obstacles. If only there were more out there who could be helped to do the same.

CONGRATULATIONS FAWN !!!!!
We knew you could do it! You are a very brave young lady and I hope that you have everything that you could ever want from life.

desert darling said...

I remember hearing a rumor about a certain family that did the head-in-the-water thing before I was married and my girlfriends and I were outraged and swore that we would never do such a thing in our families.

I don't remember ever hearing that crying babys were a problem to God. Just that leaving a child to cry was a show of poor parenting (from BY).
In the meeting house, there are rooms on the sides where mothers can go to tend their babys. Young mothers with only one baby usually paced that halls till the baby was asleep while mothers with several young children that tended to be more unrully would often regularly sit in the side class rooms and watch the meeting on a large, but not huge, tv screen so that their children didn't disturb the congregation.
That also provided a visiting time for mothers often too buisy to get out and visit durring the week.

After we had been kicked out for a while, my 4 year old daughter asked when we were going to go to church again because she missed seeing all the people.

One time I remember a child being gaged with a hand over the mouth so it wouldn't cry durring the ending prayers. Imediately after church I heard several indignant murmers about wondering who was smothering their child.

ATAR_i said...

Can you guys begin using the church again - with the UEP being taken over?

muggsey said...

What ever happend to a child being innocent until they reached the age of accountability, the age when they can begin to descern between what is really truth and what is false? If you drown a baby, or a toddler for crying, are you not guilty of taking innocent life? How do you know that the child is not cutting teeth, has a bad tummy ache or needs it's diaper changed. The baby cries because it is incapable of exchangeing understandable communication so it lets those near it know that something is not right in it's environment. Duh!!!

desert darling said...

No, we have not been able to use the meeting house. It was tranfered into the name of the FLDS church, and is not part of the UEP. We also want to be careful in our assersions here and take it easy. We have family on the other side of the battle whom we hope some day to be able to associate with again. We don't want to be just out and out nasty. That would only prove that warren was right. Don't want to do that now do we.

Taking over the Cottonwood Park was a big enough burr in their side for now. They closed down all of the buisnesses in the town center while we held our little 24th of July celebration.

Oh yes, that reminds me, the monument was paintballed Sunday, but it is still standing.

Anonymous said...

mugs, it was a form of child abuse, not murder. Not condoned by anyone outside of Flora's family

Uncle Ratt said...

Some of the Mussser clan went with Johnny Timpson in Centennial and some went with Frank Naylor who also was living in Centennial at the time. Several of them have now gone their own ways, not connected with any of the groups.

ATAR_i said...

I wouldn't have thought of using the church again as such a hot topic. I'm not certain what you meant by:

"We also want to be careful in our assersions here and take it easy"

Were you talking to me, and my query if you can use the church to have meetings?

onthestreet said...

muggsey said (7/31/2006 11:03 AM):
What ever happend to a child being innocent until they reached the age of accountability, the age when they can begin to descern between what is really truth and what is false? If you drown a baby, or a toddler for crying, are you not guilty of taking innocent life? How do you know that the child is not cutting teeth, has a bad tummy ache or needs it's diaper changed. The baby cries because it is incapable of exchangeing understandable communication so it lets those near it know that something is not right in it's environment. Duh!!!


STREET’s Reply: Right Mukky,
"duh". Women are intelligent enough to know that, and they usually treat their children in a very loving way. Some parents do it better than others, obviously. This is a fact anywhere in the world. The Prophet has expelled many abusers for good reason, and now their stance today is merely an extension of that abuse. It never ends. It’s part of their character. Those who loved their children and treated them well continue today with the Prophet.

The children come to the age of accountability and can see the truth in the parents and the church that loved them. Those who were abused see the lies in the parents who abused them and who were cast off by the church.

Anonymous said...

Centennial Park.

Their sins hide in the dark.

furnace said...

I can state that I have found the people of Centennial Park to be more honest in general that the FLDS.

Uncle Ratt said...

Ladell Bisteline - I heard he was kicked out and told to go far away. Does anyone know where he is and what sin he committed to be given this treatment? He was a pilot and I assumed Warren would use him in that capacity. Ladell has a very strict code of ethics and would never consent to do anything illegal. I'm wondering if Warren wanted him to engage in illegal activities such as flying into Mexico, avoiding customs or something to that effect. Austin, if you know any answers to these questions, please post it.

desert darling said...

Oh my goodness, a post from Street that I can almost agree with.

All but the part that all the ones who loved and cared for their kids are still with wj.

desert darling said...

Atari.

We want to retake our home but we don't want to offend the flds relatives any more than we have to, at least most of us don't.

ATAR_i said...

Darlin' that comment was made in response to me asking if you could start using the church again.

I would never have equated that query with offending relatives - and that is why I was clarifying with you what you meant.

The two just don't seem to be connected.

I can only guess that using the church would be considered a hideous breech of protocol, and perhaps an unforgivable one (which I wouldn't actually have thought to be so - so I'm clarifying).

Where I live, it is not uncommon for denominations to share a church. On Saturday it is this church (and a sign is layed over the churches name showing the different identity), and on Sundays it is a completely different church altogether.

So, your reaction startled me, I'm just trying to understand it.

Uncle Ratt said...

The LSJ meeting house (great and abominable church house) is not owned by the UEP. It was signed over to the FLDS in the late eighties to allow tax-free status on the building. Wisan, therefor, has no control over that building.

Anonymous said...

Say uncle rat!

atari- It would be like letting Hezbollah use an Israeli church.

ATAR_i said...

Hmmm, you mean like the Dome of the Rock (for muslims) being built on top of Solomons Temple in Jerusalem?

I guess I would say - not unheard of.

Let me just state I am not intimately aquainted with which properties are owned by FLDS and which by UEP.

I merely was stating that if the church wasn't being used (I assumed you could pay taxes to UEP and start to use it) - I now know differently.

I had no idea people would assume I was trying to tear apart families and start a holy war. It was an innocent comment - and clearly hits a hot button.

muggsey said...

I don't disagree with ots until he comes to that part of beign with his profit. Why don't you join forces, if you can find him. I'm sure that if the two of you got together something exciting would happen. How can two super-egos be contained in a small space? One dominates the other at the risk of being murdered in his sleep. I guess that's bood attonement per WJ.

onthestreet said...

I am with him always. May it be evermore.

Anonymous said...

Uncle Ratt,
I would love to know what happened to my father. I will always have a deep love for him as any child would for their parent. If anyone knows, please post it.

Austin B

Anonymous said...

Uncle Ratt, will you contact me at austlittlebeast@yahoo.com?

Thanks,
Austin

Anonymous said...

Uncle Ratt
I just got word that David Draper killed him self. well a nother one that warren did in.

onthestreet said...

"Littlebeast" says it all.

Anonymous said...

David Draper drove his car off the cliff by the Hurrican bridge and killed him self.

Anonymous said...

Well the question would be did he drive it off or was helped?

Anonymous said...

I've heard David's mother is ensconced at YFZ. I once loved him as my own.

I wonder:
* if David's own mother will be told of his death?
* if she will go to her son's funeral?
* what she feels if she knows her son is dead?

God rest David's tortured soul. May he rest in peace.

ATAR_i said...

How old was David?

May he find the peace that didn't find him here.

I'm shooting up a little prayer now so that his mother will be told of his demise, and allowed to grieve a mothers tears.

Anonymous said...

40 years old

onthestreet said...

Christ said: "Let the dead beary the dead". Was He wrong?

ATAR_i said...

: ( Did he tell his story, I don't know it. Was he ever on this blog?

ATAR_i said...

Just last summer someone was trying to find David. He was living in Pheonix and working at a Home Depot. He had been booted and it was incredibly hard on him.

Someone had even speculated it could be OTS (now we know that isn't true).

Did someone write something, anything about him, or his life.

I know some local newspapers that write an obituary, and those that know the person who died can sign a guestbook. If nothing like that exists, perhaps we could eulogize David here.

I'd contact weblog first, only comments regarding David in a postive manner and ONLY those that know him. All other comments would be inflammatory and deleted. It might at least be a way for his family (even in the future) to find that spot and grieve his loss.

Anonymous said...

under the direction of Guy Ezera and Nephi Draper and others they are haveing to come up with all the costs to take care of David i was worndering if there could be a truss fund set up to help them out.

fttc said...

Is this story in the Spectrum about David? A name is not given. Can anyone give more info? I could not find a follow-up story.

http://thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060805/NEWS01/608050301/1002/

Anonymous said...

He will be remembered. Sometimes death is a long awaited rest, as in David's case. May he find peace and comfort with our Father.

I knew David and found him to be a sweet natured person.

Austin B.

Anonymous said...

They only had one story and it did not give his name. Ezera told me last night that the brothers are going to do the funeral arrangment today 8-7-006.

Anonymous said...

Yes, fttc...
That story IS about David Draper.

Thanks for posting the link.

ATAR_i said...

That is so sad.

Uncle Ratt said...

Where are they going to bury him?

Anonymous said...

A funeral service for David is scheduled for Thursday morning at the Metcalf Mortuary in St. George. Burial will be at the St. George cemetery.

Anonymous said...

David Draper


ST. GEORGE - David Draper, 40, passed away on July 25th, 2006, in LaVerkin, Utah. David was born on April 28th 1966 in Salt Lake City, Utah to Ada John son and Wilford Alvin Draper. He married Kathleen Darger in Salt Lake City.

As a young man, David delivered newspapers and later worked for Brother Bauer in a machine shop. After he married, he moved to Southern Utah and helped run a hardware store for many years. Later he worked as an electrician, drove truck for several companies, and enjoyed working with his brothers in their new hardware business. David was an example of obedience to the directives given to him. He was very gentle, a hard worker, and was especially interested in admiring all of God's creations.

David is survived by his mother Ada; his brothers Daniel, Leroy, Guy, Barlow, Nephi, Moroni, Lorin, and Steven; his sister Ada Marie; his wife Kate; his daughters Celesta Marie and April May; as well as his sons Wilford Taylor, David Lee, Rulon Allen, Wendell Leroy, Edson Joseph, and Jeremiah Carter. David was a loving brother and genuine friend to all he knew.

Funeral services will be held Thursday, August 10, 2006, at 11:00 AM., at the Metcalf Mortuary Chapel, 288 W. St. George Blvd., St. George, UT. A visitation will also be held Thursday, from 10-10:45 a.m., at the mortuary, prior to services. Interment will be in the St. George City Cemetery under the direction of Metcalf Mortuary 435-673-4221. Condolences may be sent through Metcalf's website at www.metcalfmortuary.com.



Originally published August 9, 2006
The Spectrum