Tuesday, July 25, 2006

FLDS and LDS and Polygamy and Lies and more Lies

Does'nt make much difference. FLDS , LDS whatever Mormon group the Truth is not there. On the one hand you have the LDS covering up the fiasco which was the manefesto. And lieing about it for years and years. The amount of history they try and cover up is no less than amazing. The Truth is Wiford Woodruff signed the manefesto but never ever gave up in believing in the truth of the practice of polygamy. HE never recieved a revelation, he regetted signing that document until his death and probably is paying the price for that decision even today. The LDS church is NEVER going to tell you that. That would uncover the lies they have been telling the members for YEARS. And that is just beginnig of the lies they are putting fourth.

And its not much better over at the FLDS. Warren is led by satanic forces. He has not a clue where the truth lies. Yes he believes he talks for the Almighty, but in fact satan hath power over him. The Almighty has given him and most his followers over to their enemies, and now they have control over them. And will continue to do so unless the FLDS repent and make a turn around. And come back to the truth. I don't see that happening.

29 comments:

barlow said...

Quote from my great gradmother Esther E Morrison in her life history:

"Years later, about 1925, I attended a Daughters of the Pioneers meeting held at the home of Mrs. Joseph J Danes, on Fifth east, who was a daughter of President Wilford Woodruff. Also another daughter, Mrs. Beatty was there. She spoke on the Manifesto. During her talk she said: “The day father signed the manifesto I was in the front room when he came home. I shall never forget his face. He moaned, and said “O God what have I done?” He immediately went upstairs to his room. He remained there for a whole week, never speaking to any of us. When he came down and joined the family he looked awful. The ravages of sickness could never have made him look worse. It was awful.” As a note here, my children, I desire to leave this to you. I know the law of plural marriage to be a heaven truth. Your father was an issue of that great law. You have a righteous heritage. Don’t trample on it, but treasure it, and accept the pattern given to you.”

TBM said...

Okay Barlow, you posted the original comment, and then replied to yourself with a quote that you posted before? What gives, dude?

So, you don't believe in the FLDS, but you post pro-FLDS quotes. And you don't believe in LDS -- you've made that clear in your last half-dozen posts. And I don't get the impression you believe in mainstream Christianity. What do you believe in?

Anonymous said...

Barlow if "plural marriage" is heaven's truth, where is "plural marriage" stated in the Bible plainly and the Book of Mormon?

I know Jesus "plainly said there will be no marriages in heaven."

The Book of Mormon plainly states one man and one wife.

God doesn't mince words.
Why is "plural marriage" NOT mentioned in the Ten Commandments?

Doctrine 132 was pretty convenient for Smith after he had married 16 women before revealing the doctrine to his first and only true wife Emma. Smith didn't have the nerve to read his "revelation" directly to her.

Why did Emma seek a non Mormon for a husband after Smith died?

Plural marriage was invented by mankind and tolerated by God.

But to say it is a righteous heritage, is bull pucky.

ATAR_i said...

Terribly interesting heritage though, interesting family background to be sure.

Since it was a talk, did someone take it down word for word, or did she leave a copy of her notes?

What an incredible piece of documentation that is - if it exists still. Do you have a copy?

But Barlow, just logistically - if LDS and FLDS are not right - how many people 'have it right' seems like an incredibly small number. In your own estimation, and scriptures, there has to be more than a mere few who get it right - wouldn't that be so?

CHRH said...

That's silly logic Anon 6:54. Why wasn't marriage mentioned in the Ten Commandments? Does that make marriage wrong?

Anonymous said...

I guess so chrh, my ten commandment statement is silly logic, just as Barlow's statement "plural marriage is righteous heritage" is silly logic.

Joseph Smith's Modern "Select" Anointed Quorum "Plural Marriage Club" rocks on with Prophet Warren Jeffs.

History has a way of repeating itself.

Anonymous said...

Here's some reality, not the opinion of some blogger. From the website of LDS Church: Wilford Woodruff

Also here's more info: Real Church History

Just because OTS/fundy/barlow post opinion on a blog dosen't make it true.

Checkout links on Joseph Smith and several interesting related subjects on above links.

onthestreet said...

In an earlier post, I shared a mainstream news article about sex-crimes going on within the FBI, and headlined my post: "FBI Wanted For Sex Crimes", but let's be fair here. To say that the FBI or the FED is wanted for sex-crimes, is as inaccurate as saying that the FLDS is wanted for sex-crimes. Not even the heads of those entities (Mueller, Bush, Jeffs) are wanted for sex-crimes, except maybe in the heavens. But Warren Jeffs is wanted by the FBI for matrimony, and they have chosen (perhaps under the influence of their Mormon contingency) to label these marriages, directed of God (as LDS doctrine attests), as crimes.

My point is this: It cannot be truthfully said that an entire entity (FBI, FED, or FLDS) is wanted for sex-crimes, just because there are sex-offenders in every large organization, bar none. This could not be otherwise, simply because of human nature. So all organizations and communities are fraught with it, and nearly all families, because you are human. It is only when one learns divine-nature that one transcends it. But one cannot say with any credibility that the entire FBI bureau or FLDS Church, or their leaders, are wanted for sex-crimes, when the whole world knows that they both routinely screen and cast out the offender. So an apology is in order.

It should always be remembered that the FBI, including its Mormon contingency, is among God's ministers, as are the Brits. I'm not just making this up. It is God's Word (Romans 13:4). Also, the pure seed of England is Judah. "Salvation is of the Jews", saith the Lord (John 4:22). You will usually find at the beginning of the King James Version of our Christian Bible a reference to the King of England as the "defender of the faith", and this would also descend to England's Queen today.

I will post another article on this shortly, for the sake of brevity.

onthestreet said...

As I said earlier, it should always be remembered that the FBI, including its Mormon contingency, is among God's ministers, as are the Brits. I'm not just making this up. It is God's Word (Romans 13:4). Also, the pure seed of England is Judah. "Salvation is of the Jews", saith the Lord (John 4:22). You will usually find at the beginning of the King James Version of our Christian Bible a reference to the King of England as the "defender of the faith", and this would also descend to England's Queen today.

“Judah is a lion’s whelp. The sceptre shall not depart from Judah (Great Britain), nor a lawgiver (the other nations) from between his feet, until Shiloah come” (Gen. 49:9). For he (Britain) is the minister of God to thee for good (Romans 13:4). Also note D&C 109:62: “Have mercy upon the children of Jacob…that the children of Judah may return to the lands which thou didst give to Abraham their father (before the Romans drove them out), and cause that the remnants of Jacob (all the other tribes) who have been cursed and smitten because of their transgressions be converted…to the fulness”. The FLDS practice the fulness, as both D&C and Holy Bible describe it, and the House of Judah is its rightful defender.

In the Brit Menucha, is discussed
“the mystery of the Graves of Desire, where out of longing and desire, the people are totally nullified in the infinate essence, and that God therefore arranged that man should engage in his worldly needs”. No power should therefore attempt to hinder it, for like it says there: “This is the mystery: Angels run and return”.

Salvation is of Judah, at least the temporal salvation(John 4:22). Therefore it bodes well for Britain, at least the pure seed of Judah residing there, in their becoming “Defender of the Faith”. And what is salvation? Mattah: A present, a gift. The Greek is “Soterion”: Defender. The FLDS has proven to be the faith, so much so that they are willing to be fugitives, exiled, even jailed and murdered, because of their FAITH, if there be no defender.
“All who live godly in Christ Jesus SHALL suffer persecution”, saith the Lord. So this is another proof of the true faith, that church which suffers the most, even as Christ. “And the Kingdoms of this earth become the Kingdom of our God (Rev. 11:15).

So, it is the true “Defender of the Faith’s” eternal right and manifest destiny, to defend.

Anonymous said...

erra barlow...

satan and jeffs?
you sure about that?

i'm a thinking maybe more like rulon's the screw up
and ol' warren is just cleaning up his mess

think about it...
the good folks of the FLDS get more religious training in month
than a guy like me receives in a lifetime
surely they'd be smart enough to recognize the like's of satan
...they'd have wj hangin' from a tree right about now

keep sweet eldorado
stg

TBM said...

Thought-provoking stuff, Street. I appreciate it. Where do you get the association between Judah and Great Britain? I don't think I've ever heard that before.

"Defender of the Faith" is one of Queen Elizabeth's titles. It was bestowed by the Pope after Henry VIII wrote a sound defense of Catholicism, and blasting the Protestants. Of course, a few years later, Henry VIII decided he too was a Protestant. But he was fond of the title, so kept it anyway!!!

muggsey said...

Yeah, Henry VIII loved his women. If he couldn't divorce at will, or create a harem he would simply cry, "off with her head." I'll bet Joseph Smith often wished for that power without consequence. Instead he just spiritualized D. & C. 132

ATAR_i said...

OTS - seriously, thanks for posting so nicely!

onthestreet said...

Welchman.

red rocks girl said...

what ever "off your rocker"

ATAR_i said...

What does that mean OTS?

Are you talking about Taffy (like the poem)?

onthestreet said...

Welchman: Welcome. (Duhhh!)

ATAR_i said...

OK, the poem I was referring to when I stated 'Taffy' was a victorian ethnocentric childrens poem, aimed at the 'Welchman'. I wasn't sure if you were literate enough to be eluding to it - clearly you aren't.

onthestreet said...

Literacy in foolishness is not literacy at all, so your literacy is absolute nonsense, TO WIT:

Taffy was a Welshman,
Taffy was a thief;
Taffy came to my house
And stole a piece of beef.

I went to Taffy's house,
Taffy was not home;
Taffy came to my house
And stole a marrow bone.

I went to Taffy's house,
Taffy was not in;
Taffy came to my house
And stole a silver pin.

I went to Taffy's house,
Taffy was in bed;
I took up a poker
And threw it at his head

ATAR_i said...

I'm glad you can google street - it doesn't make you literate.

onthestreet said...

Oh my dear, but research tools do indeed give access to much literacy. The only crime in that is the one calling it a crime. ):

ATAR_i said...

That didn't even make sense.

onthestreet said...

Again, that is correct, it is nonsense to the illiterate, for sure, but truth reflects upon our senses.

onthestreet said...

And Gospel light reveals to some.

ATAR_i said...

or the illiterate regurgitate nonsense from a diseased, intoxicated mind.

onthestreet said...

You're the one, my girl, who confessed to no having sense, nor sensing what others have, in your previous post:

ATAR_i said...
That didn't even make sense.
8/03/2006 10:21 PM

ATAR_i said...

dream on

onthestreet said...

Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is such a dream.

onthestreet said...

Four Merrily's, Four Gods, in One.

Elohim
Yehovah
Michael
Ratziel