Monday, June 12, 2006

Uncle Roy's Birthday

TEXAS POLYGAMY

Today is Uncle Roy's birthday. We used to celebrate with a watermelon bust at the park honoring the achievements of this great man. He was probably the greatest leader that we have had at Short Creek. He had the courage to stand and face his accusers in 1953. He did not run. He stood up to them and eventually, with the Lord's help, we won the battle. Where is your courage, Warren Jeffs? Do you not have the faith that the Lord will fight your battle? Or is it easier to just be a bully and a coward?

61 comments:

fundy said...

No leaders like that, anymore, unfortunate, CC will never be the same again. Gentiles will take over the town......

Anonymous said...

I don't know much other than what I've read here & the "biased & BS" articles in the papers but wasn't Uncle Roy a "gentler" leader? He was never put on the FBI 10 most wanted list. IF I re call correctly no one ever accused him of child rape nor did he milk the citizens of the creek of all their $$ & break up numerous families. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Anonymous said...

Just out of curiousity; how do they (FLDS) define a "gentile". Is that just anyone who doesn't follow the faith?

ATAR_i said...

It's my understanding that a gentile is anyone who is NOT FLDS.

Anonymous said...

Do you really believe all gentiles are "wicked" or "evil"?

fundy said...

In old testament times a gentile was someone who was not a jew. However in later times a gentile who accetped the doctrine was not considered a gentile any longer but a graft into the tree. A convert to the religion who was then considered grafted into the blood of Israel. And considered one of them. The word gentile originated in Old Testament times.

ATAR_i said...

Actually - the only people for whome the definition of a gentile has changed is the mormons

Per Websters:

1. One who is not of the Jewish faith or is of a non-Jewish nation.
2. A Christian.
3. Archaic. A pagan or heathen.
4. Mormon Church. A non-Mormon.

The accepted definition, for everyone else, has been, and continues to be - ANYONE who isn't a Jew.

ATAR_i said...

"whom"

Anonymous said...

As an EX FLDS member, I remember being told that a gentile was someone that had not been born into or taught the true religion in this life (FLDS) of course. I was never taught anything about the Jews or any other religion except they were all wrong. Now on the other hand an Apostate is someone that has accepted the true church (FLDS) and denied it, as they think. An apostate is worse than a gentile in the FLDS cult. A gentile is just a poor sucker not as smart as they are, and will be given a second chance to accept the gospel in heaven being taught by the FLDS. What a joke Huh? Oh and an appostate is someone that does not get a second chance but is thrust to the pits of hell after being judged by his ex prophet( the man that was the prophet at the time they were alive) Oh, women are judged by thier husbands if he is righteous and not the prophet. Now to teach them (FLDS) the real defenition of gentile would be stupid when they can use it as a scare tactic to make them think the rest of the world is not as good as them.

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Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but I had to laugh at Gordon Hinckleberry.
I think we got off topic Uncle Roy was NOT the fanatic Warren is & had more courage than Warren EVER will.

ATAR_i said...

Don't feel bad anon 12:07 Our group thought the same thing about everybody else too.

It wasn't good enough just believing mainstream protestant things, those guys were missing the bus to the Kingdom of God. Oh, they might make it to heaven, but they were completely misguided, and it would be clear who really ushered in the Kingdom of God (and of course rewarded).

The Mormons, JW, Catholics, well you guys were just SOL, there would be a second chance for the Jews, Gods Chosen people at the end.

So, pretty much every extreme group thinks they have the special knowledge that no one else knows, and is more pleasing to God, closer to God, has the only way to God.

Anonymous said...

Fundy--If you damn people to hell, aren't you starting down the same path Warren's travelling?

Anonymous said...

I think that was ment sarcastically, like it was something he no longer believed.

fundy said...
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ATAR_i said...

Fundy, please remember this is what you believe about heaven/hell.

You might have a grasp on heaven, you might be completely mistaken.

I tend to believe than anything we can conceive of doesn't come close.

I have to tell you, it seems like the absolute and utter extreme of arrogance to state with such absolute certainty just how heaven will be.

fundy said...
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ATAR_i said...

OK that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.

You haven't been to hell, you might have been in a hideous car wreck and been burned to a crisp (but I know a five year old it happened to as well).

And you might have fallen on hard times as well - hey - so have a lot of people.

It's FREAKING not the same thing as the Hell where you go when you're dead.

feralfem said...

Maybe fundy had an OOBE!
OR...
Since we are all gods (god is in all of us; it's called LIFE) we are the creators of our own heaven or hell here on earth. Sounds like fundy has had some dire experience creating his own hell. Hope his creativity is moving in a more heavenly direction. ;-)

Namaste...
that means the god in me acknowledges the god in you

fundy said...
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ATAR_i said...

You make more sense if your speaking in a metaphorical sense, however, your post spoke of being 'in a furnace', 'burned with fire' are you speaking literally or figuratively.

THAT is the point which I'm sticking on. Your literal knowledge - visiting heaven and knowing exactly what it's like and taking a dip in a lake of fire and brimstone (lava being the only thing I would consider a lake of fire).

I don't object to you learning from spiritual experiences - great, go for it. BUT you chastised a viewer up above in your post for not understanding heaven, and then proceeded to tell her all about it (and Lord have mercy, it was no Heaven I'd ever heard of).

You might want to add - 'this is what I believe heaven/hell is like' or something like that.

Feral, even an OOB experience most people don't get past the bright light, the lack of oxygen doesn't let them stay long enough to get details : )

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said (6/13/2006 5:19 AM):
I don't know much other than what I've read here & the "biased & BS" articles in the papers but wasn't Uncle Roy a "gentler" leader? He was never put on the FBI 10 most wanted list. IF I re call correctly no one ever accused him of child rape nor did he milk the citizens of the creek of all their $$ & break up numerous families. Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.


STREET’s Reply: Uncle Roy prophesied and often spoke of “the Priesthood leaders having to go into hiding in the near future”, that they “would have to hide up”. So, was your “gentle prophet” the source of criminology, or just a liar. His prophecy came true, and he was speaking of the Priesthood, including himself and his brethren, having to hide from the filth of the outside world.

As for fire, “God dwells in eternal burnings”. There are different states of fire, from heaven to hell. The fire of heaven is bliss, and the fire of hell is torture. The saints who hide up in the Lord, having come out of the world and be not partakers of her sins, are hated of the world, who also hate the Lord and the Father of creation. Therefore, the world is subject to their wrath.

fundy said...
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Anonymous said...

Sounds like you are the one that hates the world; you think you better than the world. Don't you think that is an insult to the create of all 6 billion people?

Anonymous said...

Oops--typos galore.

Sounds like you are the one that hates the world; you think you are better than the world. Don't you think that is an insult to the creator of all 6 billion people?

Anonymous said...

Why is Warren a coward and in hiding?

A) He just knows with all his heart that he has to hold all the keys, but he knows deep inside his own mind that all his father ever said were some mumbled words about a delgated appointment. He knows he never heard the word "Apostle"

B) He knows that this is Joseph's dispensation and Joseph should have been present when he was supposedly called, but Warren knows he has never seen Joseph and that Joseph still leads this dispenation and Warren knows more that anything that he is not a successor to Joseph.

C) He has made up all these qualifications of how the previous leaders received revelation from Jesus, but all he can hear is some mumbling deep inside his own schizophrenic head.

D) He commands girls to marry with no choice at 15 and do it now or be damned, but deep inside his mind he knows that his father and Uncle Roy and Uncle John would never marry a girl till she came to him and then these men would have the girls wait until 18-19-20 or so. He knows what he is doing to these girls is effing wrong, but he just can't stop.

E) Warren says he is trying to help the boys but he knows he is far more guilty than 95% of the boys he has had sent away. He knows he is 10 times more guilty of the grossest of gross crimes than they are. He will never come out of hiding to show his pervert face again.

F) He knows damn good and well that what he was doing with his father's wives is wrong no matter how you slice it. Having sex with another man's wives in his house while he is alive is adultery. It is now, is was when Warren was in the sack with his father's wives, it will be tomorrow. Adultery always has been and always will be wrong.

G) Warren knows that Uncle John and Lorin Woolley taught men around them to never enter into the principle of plural marriage with another man's wife while he is still living, for any reason. Yet Warren moves wives around like cattle, while the men they are sealed to are yet living.

H) Warren knows that Uncle Roy taught that "once we seal you, you are sealed and that can't be undone". Yet he is undoing all the Uncle Roy has done.

I) Warren knows that the "one man rule" was just a sales job to control who was marrying the girls and he is trying to cut off and send away all those who helped promote it, cause he can't have them turning on him. Warren will stay in hiding until he gets this fully established, but he will never get it fully established, so he will have to stay hiding like a coward with his false doctrine.

J) Warren knows that God has not honored ANY of his predictions or any prophecy he has given. He knows that God will not protect him and that God never had him called. Warren knows that he does not talk with God, yet he tells the people the voices in his head are the voice of God. This alone will be enough to keep Warren forever in hiding.

Wake up FLDS, please, before Warren leads you all to destruction.

ATAR_i said...

OK fundy - I think I see where our differences lie - in the theology of salvation.

I am a sinner, nothing I can do will cleanse me enough to stand in the presence of God. Even so, he expects me to give my best effort towards doing his will, even though my sin nature will not enable me to be perfect, I do strive to be as he asks me.

Jesus death on the cross, one who was without sin, took the pain of death for me. If I ask forgiveness he is faithful and just to forgive me my trespass, and throw my sins into the 'sea of forgetfulness'.

This was a 'gift' meaning FREE, and nothing I can do will repay it, and it is not asked that I try to repay, only to live a life worthy of the calling I have received. Being humble, gentle, faithful and treating others with love.

The theology of the Bible (I do not read the BOM or D&C) states this is what I must do.

And, therin lie our different perspectives on heaven, salvation and etc.

Don't get me wrong, I know that God allows trials to come our way, and doesn't always protect us from the things which will hurt us, and cause us pain. He does however promise - that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them that are called according to his purpose.

So, there you have it. You find comfort in having the sin burned from your flesh, and your theology constantly finds you impure and in need of torturous cleansing (or at least it sounds so). And, the same god that requires this, also gives a measure of heaven equal to the behavior and repentance of his followers.

This is indeed different than me. I probably described your position poorly, feel free to correct it - I am very curious at your theology.

fundy said...
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ATAR_i said...

fundy, you are right about one thing - we disagree.

I do not believe that washing garments will make us white and pure.

I do not believe we can escape the sin nature. If we could - we would not need God.

We can live our lives trying to be worthy, and still need Gods saving grace. The fall of man has separated us from God, and only one can bring us into a right relationship with God (That would be Jesus).

It's a gift freely given, and one need only to ask - it's given by faith, not works.

So, we disagree theologically. You can say 'I'm wrong' I can say 'you're wrong' but that get's us nowhere.

But I think we can both agree that we disagree. That would probably be why Mormons and Protestants don't go to the same churches on Sundays - they don't believe the same things.

It's ok - no sweat.

fundy said...
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Anonymous said...

Anon 8 pm I couldn't have said it better. Warren is a coward & this is not going to end peacefully.

Uncle Ratt said...

The blame for Warren being in a position of power falls on the sons of John Y. Barlow who were unwilling to step up and defend their birthright, allowing Satan to usurp control of this land that we know has been dedicated to righteousness, providing a haven for holy men and their families. I would encourage you sons of this birthright to step up to the mark. I believe that if you do so the wall will move back just as Uncle Roy once proclaimed.

onthestreet said...

The wall has already moved back, all the way to Texas.

Uncle Ratt said...

Yes, the wall has moved, but it has moved the wrong direction. We want it to move forward so we can redeem the proper "Zion." Those who have moved to Texas have moved to a counterfeit "Zion." They have aligned themselves with Satan, whom Warren Jeffs worships as his god.

onthestreet said...

Sure, you have an opinion. So what?

fundy said...

yes indeed, there is no Zion in Texas. They were closer when they were in CC. Yes WJ and his followers have left the path of the straight and narrow and are now chaff being blown by the whirlwind. However the LDS are in same exact position as the FLDS.

charlatans who are bogus profits, Gordon B. Hinckleberry and the slippery WJ. Both charlatans.

onthestreet said...

Sure, you have an opinion. So what?

ATAR_i said...

Can I quote you Street -

mugwump said...

I can and I certainly won't ask his permission.

ots offers:
"Sure, you have an opinion. so what?"

So does the devil and his minions. You attempt to confuse, confound and misdirect truth. In your opinion, you speak truth. In mine however, you lie, and that is my opinion.

"Seek ye the Lord, while He may be found, call ye upon him while He is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55: 6-9 KJV

Only when you can lay claim to the mercy and pardon of God Almighty and fully understand the cost to HIM for your forgivness; only then do you have a valid opinion. HE has paid the price, you continually reject it.

Street, when you can speak for God with the authority of Isaiah and with the beauty of His (God's) Divine Inspiration, then perhaps you can understand His salvation, but not until.

You are a moth continuiously being lured into the flame of eternal Hell.

onthestreet said...

Mug Said (6/17/2006 7:03 PM):
"Seek ye the Lord, while He may be found, call ye upon him while He is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; and let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.

STREET’s Reply: There you go. You’re coming along. So do. You left the FLDS as a youth: "Forsake
your way and return, and He will have mercy upon you. For His thoughts are not yours, neither are your ways his ways", saith the Lord. Then you are right, Les. You may then lay claim on mercy, and not until. That was very well put.

Carry on.

mugwump said...

I never left the FLDS at any phase of life because I was never, nor will I ever be a part of such a group.

I don't believe in Joseph Smith's fable.

I don't believe in the three heavens.

I don't believe that a prophet lives today, especially in FLDS. There is no need for a prophet. Jesus came to fulfill the law and prophesy.

I don't believe in plural marriage.

I don't condone homosexual acts in ANY form.

I do believe that God, Jehovah, the Great I AM is whom He said He was when He identified Himself to Moses. I don't think gods name is Michael, Joseph, Peter, Warren or any other name you can think up to replace I AM.

I AM's name in the New Testament is Jesus.

I AM's is known as the Holy Spirit to post assention Christians.

I AM is Father, Son and Spirit, three personalities of the same being.

Salvation was provided by God's love, undeserved by humankind as it was, by His coming to earth in the person of I AM, Jesus, to die as sacrifice for my sin and the sin of all who believe. The invitation remains open to all who will in simple faith trust in the name of Jesus. "No other name is goven in heaven or on earth whereby we must be saved." Paul (look it up)

I can't earn salvation, it was paid for by the shed blood of Jesus.

I don't deserve salvation, but have believed and by faith am saved through the grace of I AM GOD.

"Forbid it Lord that I should boast, save in the death of Christ My God; All the vain things that charm me most, I sacrifice them to His blood."

Isaac Watts

Anonymous said...

It is funny how the same people on this blog keep getting sucked in to streets traps over and over again.
Streets purpose here is not to defend Warren's honor (he has no honor to defend). Ots posts here to see how how often he can ellicit a heated response and he is doing a fine job.

mugwump said...

maybe so, maybe not.

The thing you fail to recognize is that street's offerings are so far off the mark of truth that they need to be challenged. If he were the only contrubutor to this blog it would die of boredom. Carefully read his incohereant, rambling and inneffectual offerings presented as truth then, consider the care and thought given to the responses. Street is not winning the arguments, he's not even close. Even his attempt to offer cutting journalistic sarcasm is ineffectual because he doesn't have any sense of humor.

His efforts remind me of a fanatic, trapped in a web of his own making, without hope of escape. He is as lost as a needle in a haystack, a goose in a snowstorm, or an unrepentant sinner continually choosing to discount God's saving grace.

Anonymous said...

OTS is crazy and bored. He is probably one of those people that has never looked inside him and got in touch with anything other that the sick stuff he was taught as a little kid. He is just trying to get to heaven on Warrens coat tail and that will not happen. He is mentally ill and has very low self worth, but is actually someone that had he been taught right could have been an exceptionally brilliant and great human. It is sad to read the degree of confusion, delusion and Narcissistic behavior he portrays in his postings. He is still that little kid trying to please his idols.

Anonymous said...

Mugwump,
What you fail to realize is that street's offerings are off the mark of truth, by intent, just enough to draw you (or anyone else that will bite) into his web.

You say that Street is not even close to winning the arguments, which would be true if you were playing the same game, but your not.

His game is to throw out a few scriptures and mix in a few incoherent thoughts and then throw in a snide remark or two to incite a little more passion in those that will respond.

You, and many others on this blog, are obviously very passionate about your beliefs and that is what he plays on.

I have carefully read his mostly incoherent ramblings. I grew up in the FLDS and, from carefully reading his posts, I can tell you that he is not currently a faithful follower of Warren. He obviously grew up in that religion and knows their doctrine very well but he is not a faithful follower now. The fact that he even posts here testifies to that even without reading his posts.

Street is playing a game and he has found some pawns on this blog. His posts are mostly incoherent by design. Read his posts again. He throws in just enough logic to make them look like legitimate thoughts while he throws in incoherent thoughts and snide remarks to see if he can push someone buttons. It's a sick game but it is just a game and he is winning.

I think that most of us that read this blog come here for information on what is happening with the FLDS and those involved with it but the blog is polluted by street, those that reply to him and those that have to start a new thread every time they have a thought.

mugwump said...

Annon. 12:03

I respect your judgement. I too am aware of street's thrusts and parrys. I realize that this is a game to him. If you check one of the remarks that was offered on one of blogs below a pretty good summary of street's shortcomings and motivations are noted. I agree that perhaps in another situation he might prove worthy, but in his current position he is only making YOUR beliefs less palpable.

As you well know from my previous postings, my greatest hope is for the capture of wj. I also hope that an intelligent leadership of FLDS will choose a new leader who is more in keeping with the laws of the land in which you live. FLDS cannot be a nation unto itself. Changes will be very difficult and must not be attempted instantanously, but over time. I and others are very concerned about the welfare and care of those women, chlidren and especially those young boys who have been treated as cast offs because of the greed demonstrated by their very fathers and the priesthood leadership acting at the will of wj. Why should the least suffer the most? Why are they deemed unworthy just because they are experiencing the hormonal changes that are normal in life. This one issue is of great concern. Polygamy cannot be destroyed overnight, but a workable plan of gradual control needs to be put into place. Encouragement to both young men and women to hold off in marriage until they have had an opportunity to physically mature and actually experience the true meaning of love, not just lust for purposes of procreation. These young people should have the opportunity to pair up with those nearer their own age, who's life-span is closer and thus being widowed for lengthy periods of time reduced. Your work ethic and the combined efforts of these young people, able to live as normal families will strengthen your families and your society and reduce the possiblility of your experincing the devistations of another wj.

Anonymous said...

Mugwump,
I failed to mention that, while I grew up in that religion, I left it as soon as I was old enough to figure things out on my own and was able to conjure up enough courage to be able to walk away from it, my family and friends.

I agree absolutely with what you are saying in your 12:03 post except where you said "but in his current position he is only making YOUR beliefs less palpable". I just want to make it clear that those are not my beliefs. Even in anonymity I don't want to be associated with that.

onthestreet said...

MUGSY Saidsy: I do believe that God, Jehovah, the Great I AM is whom He said He was when He identified Himself to Moses. I don't think gods name is Michael, Joseph, Peter, Warren or any other name you can think up to replace I AM.
I AM's name in the New Testament is Jesus.
I AM's is known as the Holy Spirit to post assention Christians.
I AM is Father, Son and Spirit, three personalities of the same being.


STREET’s Reply: You do not understand the nature of cosmic names and numbers, do you? Five central personnel govern this earth:

I – Elohim, who governs the universe.
AM – Jehovah, who governs many solar systems, a group or cluster of stars.
THAT – Michael, who governs this solar system.
I – Joseph, who governs a dispensation of many generations within this system.
AM – Their earthly Prophet, who governs the earth in righteousness, in THIS generation.

See, Michael is THAT man, God the Father. Jehovah (Christ) is His Father in the Heavens, and His Son in the flesh. Others follow in their wake, in the seven dispensations from Adam to Joseph, and seven generations follow Joseph (Warren and Rulon being the same).

See, “God, Jehovah, the Great I AM”, as you put it, actually refers to both Him and His Father, Elohim, for they are one (I AM: Two personages united together in all things). When He told Moses: “I AM THAT I AM, he refers to the governing personnel from the beginning to the end, for does He not also say: “I AM THE BEGINNING AND THE END” (7). See, He is over them all. That equals seven, for there are other personnel (parakletes) who take their place in the hierarchy of the heavens, plus others, and others, until the full number of 144,000, just like the Lord says.

There is ONE, there are Three, there are five, there are seven, ten, twelve, twenty-four, fourty-eight, seventy, ninety-six, a hundred and fourty-four, five-hundred, a thousand, and tens of thousands of His angels who are about to return after the harvest of His faithful, and then to reap down the earth in His final gleaning.

See Les? Many gods:

1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there are things that are called... in the heavens or on earth; as there are many gods and many lords. bible.cc/1_corinthians/8-5.htm

SON OF GOD OR A SON OF THE GODS (DANIEL 3:25)? In the KJV, the fourth man in the furnace is identified as “the Son of God” ... king who acknowledged and worshipped many gods speaking of the appearance...
www.kjvonly.org/doug/kutilek_son_of_god.htm

What We Believe (John 20:28 KJV). The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God (Genesis 1:2) and the ... whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many 'gods' and many …www.cggc.org/BelieveGod.htm


Do ye believe Paul to the Corinthians. Do ye believe the Prophet Daniel. Do ye believe the Lord?

God is perfect. How will the children of God fulfill the commandment of Christ, except to become Gods themselves:

"Be ye perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect".

You seek to make everyone bastards.

onthestreet said...

Only the servants of the Devil do that, for that is his great mission and purpose. Not an enviable master to be serving, Les.

onthestreet said...

MUD Said (6/21/2006 1:27 PM):

“As you well know from my previous postings, my greatest hope is for the capture of wj”. REPLY: Why would any man want to subdue another, except to subdue and conquer himself. That is your first great need and obligation. You can NEVER conquer another without conquering yourself.

YOU SAY: “I also hope that an intelligent leadership of FLDS will choose a new leader who is more in keeping with the laws of the land in which you live. FLDS cannot be a nation unto itself”. REPLY: Oh right, only the laws of the land. To Hell with the laws of God. That is what you are saying.

YOU SAY: “I and others are very concerned about the welfare and care of those women…”. REPLY: Your filthiness can remain with yourself.

YOU SAY: “Why should the least suffer the most? Why are they deemed unworthy just because they are experiencing the hormonal changes that are normal in life. This one issue is of great concern”. REPLY: Until a boy or a man can control those hormonal urges, he is NOT a saint, for that is a very definition of sainthood. Therefore, all who cannot must be invited out to a place where they can learn how, far away from the saints where they can only corrupt themselves, or repent from afar and gain control over themselves. This is the great opportunity that the Prophet has now given them, and perverts kick against it because of the filth within themselves.

YOU SAY: “Polygamy cannot be destroyed overnight, but a workable plan of gradual control needs to be put into place”. REPLY: No, God cannot be destroyed. That is correct. God is the Father of us all, and is over the millions of mothers who grace this earth. That’s polygamy. No, it will NEVER be destroyed. However, those who presume to snuff it out, SHALL BE, by natural processes. You just as well try to puff out the Sun, or hang Jesus Christ again on the Cross, for He had many women around Him and in His house, WIVES.

YOU SAY: “These young people should have the opportunity to pair up with those nearer their own age, who's life-span is closer and thus being widowed for lengthy periods of time reduced”. REPLY: Mary, the very Mother of God, was twelve, and her husband God was a little bit older, by about ten billion years. Yet, when the husband sired the child and left the earth again, was Mary or the child left destitute. Is God that irresponsible? Certainly YOU ARE. Your plan is the Devil’s plan and will never fly, except in your own face. God’s ways are NOT man’s ways.

YOU SAY: “Your work ethic and the combined efforts of these young people, able to live as normal families will strengthen your families and your society and reduce the possiblility of your experincing the devistations (spell it right, Les) of another wj”. REPLY: The only devastations are the ones that you seek to reek on a people, you being destitute yourself. Look at the city Yearning For Zion. How beautiful. How constructive and peaceful. Nothing devastating there except your own fantasies and wicked imaginations.

fundy said...

Street I think your religously chalenged.

onthestreet said...

AGREED. Yes, religion is very very challenging.

mugwump said...

Annon. 6/21 6:34

I appreciate your candor and respect your right to disagree. I admit I know little other than what I see here, or read in books and current publications regarding wj and his situation.

Your departure from an oligarchy ansewering to a despot shows an ability to think for yourself. Your choosing to not be a part of that pitiful group floundering on the sand following the sudden withdrawal of the tides of life is commendable.

Anonymous said...

to 6/21/2006 12:03 PM

I do believe you have a point. If everyone would stop responding to OTS, he would not be here anymore. He is the typical ex FLDS who cannot let go of the lies. He seems very dark in his intent.

Uncle Ratt said...

I have a question for the poster who says OTS is winning. The question is "Why do you think he's winning?" He is in abstract confusion. He is one of the privileged members of the FLDS who has been sent off to repent from afar. His repentance is not sincere.

Anonymous said...

OTS is losing the match! Check, OTS. Throwing temper tantrums in various threads will never win a chess game. Calm down. Think it through. In my life, I have noticed that those who feel angry when their religion is challenged are afraid they are standing on sandy ground. Those who KNOW or even truly believe they KNOW are not threatened by opposing opinions.

Anonymous said...

Uncle Rat,
What I mean by OTS winning is that he wins every time someone responds to his posts and tries to argue with him. That is all that he wants. It's not about arguing a point to him, it is all about getting someone riled up enough to try to argue with him and that is when he wins.

If it was just about arguing a point then yes, he would be the loser and I think that this is obvious to everyone who reads this blog. However, his main motivation is not to promote his views or to prove a point. His motivation is to just get under someones skin enough to get them to reply and then he can counter, then someone else will counter his counter and so on. He gets his jollies and therein lies his victory.

As I said in my earlier post, his posts are mostly incoherent by design. Read his posts again. He throws in just enough logic to make them look like legitimate thoughts while he throws in incoherent thoughts and snide remarks to see if he can push someone buttons.

Let's pretend for a moment that he is here on this blog legitimately trying to enlighten us with what he thinks is right. What would be the point of even trying to argue with him?

If you decide to go back and read some of his posts, read some of the replies as well. Do you really think that anyone is winning with him? Look at all of the name calling and the lenthly passionate responses of people trying to prove a point to him.

Go back and scan through all of the threads and see how many posts are by ots, in response to ots or mention ots. He is getting exactly what he wants here and that is why I say he is winning.

Anonymous said...

Is it possible OTS actually hates Warren and is deliberately trying to get as much dirt dug up against him as possible. Whether he realizes it or not, his posts often trigger some anonymous poster to shed forth more dirt against Warren, so if he thinks he is defending Warren, he is doing the exact opposite.

onthestreet said...

Ahh, I see you all have been talking about me. What you all ROULED UP about? And you say I get rouled up and angry. No anger in the Gospel of peace. I just speak my peace, and I'm glad that it helps you all to have more peace with yourselves.

Carry on. Glad I could be of service.

Anonymous said...

OTS,
That's "riled up," not "rouled up." "Rouled" is not a word. You want any more help with your words? I'll be only too willing to critique your spelling and invented words. No charge.

onthestreet said...

Hey! Really? For free? Here, let me give YOU something for FREE:

Never mind. I didn't dare say it.

Anywho, about one's riling and growling: Put the two together, and you get "ROULED".

There, how ya like dem apples?