Sunday, May 14, 2006

Wilford Woodruff The Great LDS Mormon Judas

Who wrote the Manifesto? When asked about it at the witness stand, a secretary in the First Presidency’s office, George Reynolds, testified in 1904, "I assisted to write it," in collaboration with Charles W. Penrose and John R. Winder who "transcribed the notes and changed the language slightly to adapt it for publication." "Judge Zane [a non- Mormon] had as much to do with it [the Manifesto] as Wilford Woodruff except to sign it,"Wilford Woodruff was not the author of the Manifesto but that it was actually written by Charles W. Penrose, Frank J. Cannon, and "John H. White, the butcher," revised by non-Mormon federal officials, and that Woodruff merely signed it. The great LDS Mormon Judas.

44 comments:

ex creeker said...

Barlow = Fundy

BARLOW said...

No barlow=Fundy,
Fundy is no "BARLOW"

CHRH said...

I'd be careful who you called a "Judas" you assclown.

Anonymous said...

Apostate members of an apostate church. LDS-lead by the king of apostates GBH with all his apostate apostles.

Anonymous said...

Dude no one in Eldorado, Texas knows what kind of foolishness you are babbling about.

Here's what church is about for people in Eldorado, Texas :
http://www.myeldorado.net/Pages/Worship.html

Anonymous said...

So if the 1890 Woodruff Manifesto REALLY meant that the LDS church would give up practicing polygamy, then why the need for the 1905 Manifesto made by Joseph F. Smith telling the LDS church followers to STOP practicing polygamy.

This whole PR move by the LDS church is such a JOKE.

They keep claiming in their PR statements that the church gave up polygamy in 1890.

But they never seem to mention the fact that Joseph F. Smith had to tell the church members again 15 years later to really knock it off with the plural wives business.

Anonymous said...

The Woodruff Manifesto did not really renounce polygamy. It just told the Saints that they were not supposed to defy the law of the land, so they should not practice polygamy if it was against the law of the land.

Many Saints stopped practicing polygamy. Many others moved to Canada and Mexico to continue practicing polygamy - although it was also against the law of those lands too.

Hypocrits.

ATAR_i said...

Who is woodruff - and why would they listen to him?

How old was JS in 1905 - he must have been an old guy -

When did he die?

fttc said...

Atar, FYI

Wilford Woodruff was the fourth President of the LDS Church.

Joseph F. Smith was a nephew of the Prophet Joseph Smith and the sixth President of said church. Joseph Smith was born in 1805 and killed in Carthage jail in 1844 by a mob. His brother Hyrum was killed there at the same time. Joseph F. Smith was Hyrum's son.

ATAR_i said...

Ahhhh - thanks.

Anonymous said...

Not only did Wilford Woodruff cause a huge debacle by signing the Manifesto. His "revelation" in 1880 is what split the loyal polygamists in the 1980's.

onthestreet said...

Truth always prevails, and those who have not the truth are sifted. Pilate asked Jesus: "What is Truth"? And what did He tell him?

Anonymous said...

2+2=5.

If Warren says "2+2=5", I will accept it as truth even if it goes against my knowledge of mathematics or conscience. The prophet always tells the truth. Just bleevit.

ATAR_i said...

10:53 - are you serious?

Anonymous said...

Don't you detect sarcasm when you see it. The misspelling of "believe it" should have been a dead giveaway to sarcasm.

ATAR_i said...

I find without tone/inflection, seeing facial expressions, and body language oftentimes I am not able to always detect the meaning someone interjects into their statements.

Which, is why I asked. It seemed like a sarcastic statement - but since it came from an anonymous person, I couldn't assume how they meant it.

Honestly - I saw truth in the statement.

If Warren says "2+2=5", I will accept it as truth

fundy said...

2 + 2 = 5 Just as well start moving to texas. Your kind of place.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't believe Warren if he said 2 + 2 = 4. He's a liar, a thief a dispoiler of youth and innocence, a cad, an interloper, a false prophet, a charltan, a fraud, a lawbreaker and a fugative. Other than that he might be a nice guy, but I doubt it. SOME proof would be required.

ots, you wouldn't know truth if it hit you between the eyes, so you can't respond. If he does anyway, ignore. Attention is his greaest reward.

rcn

Anonymous said...

It must be that offenses come BUT WOE TO THEM BY WHOM THEY COME.
THE SAVIOR.

Anonymous said...

IF the SAVIOR had a message for me he wouldn't send it via the blog. And, if He did send me one I certainly wouldn't ursurp HIS authority to tell the message to you personally. If the message was for you too, the both of us would know. So, stop the foolishness.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Now fokes, when a man takes 2 wives, and then he takes 2 more, how many are there in the family? FIVE: Four wives under One Man. See, if Warren says 2+2=5, it is verily so. The only fallacy in this is unbelief, for it is verilyi true.

ATAR_i said...

Perverted Math - now I've seen everything.

But shouldn't it really equal six - shouldn't God be there too!

Anonymous said...

All I can say about his math is that I surely would hate to have him serve as my accountant. Whew!!! what a fraud.

rcn

onthestreet said...

That's right, is also equals six, and seven, and 70, 144, 500, and 144,000, to infinity. Let's see you account for that?

onthestreet said...

A fraud is one who can't or won't account for his seed. So, account. Otherwise, you are a fraud. It is the common mark of a fraud to not account, while seeking to point the finger to someone else for his own failures.

mugwump said...

A task at which you excell.

When are you going to erect a statue to yourself Nebuchadnezzar?

ATAR_i said...

Are we talking grass seed or man juice ots - I'm not following.

Anonymous said...

It sure would be disgusting to hear a seed report from a rapist, child abusing sodomite/homosexual.

Not a lot of redeeming qualities there!

nuf sed

onthestreet said...

That's your problem there, fokes. You get one diaper going, and you blurt: "Nuf Seed, Nuf Seed". Then you see a people practicing eternal increase, and you assume sexual abuse, because you assume there is animal magnetism involved. Animal nature is not divine. So there is the actual abuse, seeking to limit God's right to create in a pure way, while you dump your seed everywhere except fertile ground.

ATAR_i said...

Simple question - all you had to do was answer.

Anonymous said...

I still wonder if my previously named depositories would be considered as fertile ground? If thos acts are practiced, as reported, then one would think that according to your precepts and doctrines those depositories are capable of producing "eternal increase"? I haven't seen a lot of little victimized boys and girls walking aroung in a state of "increase."

False premise, false doctrine, false prophet, false messenger.

mugwump said...

previous post was mine.

onthestreet said...

That's right, muggy, you "haven't seen victimized boys and girls walking around. Very well put. Even those who were cast out were men and boys with human weaknesses, and that is what victimized them. Yet, those who repent are increased, and that goes for you and all who Jesus died for. So you see, Jesus is not a false premise, or a false doctrine, and neither is His Prophet. To promote that idea is to fight against Christ.

onthestreet said...

Tarry. All Jesus had to do was answer, yet He gave them parables. WHAT SHAME (on them).

ATAR_i said...

Are you equating yourself with Jesus?

onthestreet said...

Now, if you could do that, then you would be obedient:

"Be ye perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect". (A command of Jesus)

He is your Brother. So why not try to be like Him, and equate yourself with Him?

There is a little Sunday-School song: "Try to be like Him, try, try, try."

ATAR_i said...

Are you putting yourself on equal ground with Jesus. Exalting yourself?

onthestreet said...

See, He exalts, but only by becoming like Him.

mugwump said...

If not for increase, why are the children abused? We know they are, several have come forward and claimed so. WJ and friends are currently under warrant for arrest for engaging in abusing children.

If they, WJ and friends are innocent, go to the courthouse and rebut the claims. Why shouldn't WJ have HIS DAY IN COURT?

onthestreet said...

"...for engaging in child abuse?" Ahh, your fantasies are never-ending, an eternal increase of depravity.

See, several MALCONTENTS have come forth, having been caught in their own depravities. So the Prophet had to cast them out. That's what got your goat too, being separated from your mother and father, brothers and sisters.

The Prophet is obedient to the Lord, and the Lord has this to say about the courts (Rev.11):

1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple LEAVE OUT!

onthestreet said...

See, you call an increase of children "abuse", while your Lord Jesus commands: "Let the little children come".

And the Prophet is under warrent for WHAT? Just what you described: Marriage, and what does the Lord warn about marriage in the Last Days? (I Tim. 4):

1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3. Forbidding to marry.

Anonymous said...

(1) Just who is seduced by weird "higher and holier teachings" and is now receiving conjured up so-called revelations from men such as Uncle Parley? Sounds like someone got seduced into sorcery, to me.

B.Y. (Journal of Discourses, 5:352)
Brother John referred to some persons receiving revelations. I say to such persons, Go ahead, and get all the revelations you can. If brother Joseph visits you every night, go ahead, and tell him to bring brother Hyrum, father Smith, Don Carlos Smith, St. Paul, Peter, James, and John, and Jesus Christ, if you can induce him to do so. But I could almost lay my hand on that Bible and swear that the man or woman who gets such revelations has been guilty of adultery...

(2) Who's conscience is seared with a hot iron, and full of hyprocrisy? I had suspicions of serious moral failings long before Brent came out and said what he did. Warren just had a feeling about him like that of a queer.

G.A.S. (Journal of Discourses, 7:116) When a man professes a great deal of sanctity--a great deal of holiness and piety, when he can scarcely speak without a pious groan, he is to be suspected; for such hyprocrisy is in itself the most cursed corruption that can exist.

(3) Just who is forbidding to marry? Just who is ruining marriages?

onthestreet said...

STREET’s Reply (6/05/2006 8:45 AM):

Saving thousands of women and children from abusive husbands is hardly “ruining marriages”, but SAVING. Like B.Y. said: “the man or woman who gets SUCH REVELATIONS is guilty of adultery. That is so correct. Ahh, you “had suspicions”, what the Lord calls “wicked imaginations”. If you have not sanctity, or at least endeavoring to that end, but only MOCKING IT, then you are among the whore of all the earth. Perhaps you are comfortable there. More powatooya.

Anonymous said...

mugwump = rcn

youve been outed