Monday, May 15, 2006

Polygamy Fact or Fiction

I think alot of people on this website and out in public think that polygamy is going to be prosected and just go away and be done with it. Nothing could be more fiction. There are a few high profile court cases but other than that polygamy is getting bigger every day, thats a fact. The FLDS are already being run by Lyle Jeffs who is the bishop there and has already taken over. You take one out and one more shows up, same with the Kingstons, both groups are VERY well financed and have large holdings in Utah and surrounding states.. Kingstons have all sorts of investments from minning to retail stores in major cities. The FLDS also have large investment holdings. Polygamy is going to adapt itself, which it is already. Alot of people who contribute to this website think polygamy is leaving some how, you need to come up to reality, its not leaving, its getting bigger.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think that there are very few here, if any, that think that polygamy is going to go away. Its not. I don't think that anyone is dumb enough to try and eradicate polygamy. The real issue here is not polygamy. It is human rights, child and spouse abuse, fraud and the misuse of public funds that are being attacked. If polygamy is the only law a group is breaking then they have nothing to worry about.

barlow said...

They are not enforcing polygamy laws any longer. Not for the last fifty or sixty years. However some of the people on here seem to think with all the press coverage that its leaving the country or all going to jail, such is very much not the case. There are many polygamous groups who are doing just fine.

Men In Black said...

Most of these groups are rife with abuse. Kingstons posibly more extreme than Warren. Gerald Peterson's group, Jim Harmston, Fred Collier, Allreds and the list goes on. I have a list of 294 groups of which maybe 100 still exist in some form.

The problem for LE is to accuse Jeffs of criminal conspiracy or Organized Crime, it may well be selective enforcement, if the fed does not broaden its interest in those groups who are equally extreme, eg. the Kingston's.

Its an interesting dilima, but one we are all following closely. A very long and detailed paper trail further complicates which ever path is chosen.

If Warren decides on his version of WACO, then he will be deciding the fate of many. Even delaying his surrender will further hurt the propolygamy movement, but heck this blog hasn't helped the pro movement. OTS and Ruth have offered extremes to a real concern and have simply made my day in their sincere truths.

God Bless them!

Anonymous said...

reply to MIB:

I think you're right about Ruth but not OTS.

While Ruth speaks out of anger and frustration,
OTS speaks calm, clear and precise

Ruth speaks to us,
OTS does not
he "replies" to us,
but he "speaks" to the others
the others that lurk
those who are defiant
and dare look to the outside for answers

we may not like what he says
.... but they do

keep sweet eldorado
stg

mugwump said...

MIB

Gather your evidence. Get sworn affadavits, hire an attorney of some repute to represent you. Let him or her review your evidence to determine if it is evidence that is admissable in court. If the attorney considers any point as being and you consider it an important point to make your argument you must find other evidence to support the original.

Please do not for a moment think that I stand as your opponent in an effort to receive justice and equal opportunity for the women, children, especially little girls and boys who are thrown away. I am horrified by these conditions.

I am strictly attempting to advise you that if you want action you are going to have to present evidence in a way that is acceptable in the judicial system.

The other option is to petition your legislator with a sufficient numbers of signatures to make him realize that consideration of your concern is of grave importance to the future of his political career.


God Speed, but please realize that your current approach is only creating a cloud of dust.

mugwump said...

MIB

the word WEAK was overlooked in the first paragraph.

Should be: If the attorney considers any point as being WEAK and you consider it an important point. . . . . .etc.

onthestreet said...

MUGG Said (5/16/2006 1:44 PM):

Please do not for a moment think that I stand as your opponent in an effort to receive justice and equal opportunity for the women, children, especially little girls and boys who are thrown away. I am horrified by these conditions. I am strictly attempting to advise you that if you want action you are going to have to present evidence in a way that is acceptable in the judicial system. The other option is to petition your legislator with a sufficient numbers of signatures to make him realize that consideration of your concern is of grave importance to the future of his political career. God Speed, but please realize that your current approach is only creating a cloud of dust.


STREET’s Reply: That’s it, and so very true. All who oppose God’s work are but a cloud of dust, continually horrified as you confess, and each others’ primary opponent. Even in unity, the wicked destroy each other. It could never be otherwise, for they have nothing to cleave to, no consistency, and perpetual hatred. That can never endure, being far too WEAK, as you have likewise confessed.

If a prophet casts out immoral men and boys, that can hardly be considered sodomy, but quite the opposite. Everyone would agree with that, all who are honest in heart, which God now judgeth. As you blow at a flame, it only grows until it engulfs you.

Anonymous said...

The prophet did not cast out immoral men and boys.

If you are honest in heart, which God now judgeth, you know the truth.

Uncle Warren blows at a flame, and it only grows until it engulfs YOU and your family.

Uncle Warren does not love you and he has deserted you.

Save yourselves, doth sayeth the Lord.

Anonymous said...

"...Even in unity, the wicked destroy each other..."

how good it is to know
you practice what you preach

just to think....
so many wicked and evil
amongst god's chosen few

and how thankful I am
that god had not chosen me

keep sweet street
stg

onthestreet said...

Save yourselves, doth sayeth the Lord. 5/17/2006 12:43 AM

"doth sayeth"? See, you're a phony. God doesn't speak like that.

Anonymous said...

Hey everyone!

Streetie told the truth one time!

His reference to C.C/Hildale WJ's hold and influence, YFZ, Dakota, Mancos and other groups, Kingston , Allred etc who practice polygamy are in a state of confusion and waring among themselves. That is the truth.

Now, we'll wait and see if a sane group of men can pull things together, correct the wrongs and get along with each other. That fact remains to be seen.

rcn

Anonymous said...

Good lord, you folk are spooky. Too much time spent in the hot sun I suppose......

Anonymous said...

Spooky, but entertaining.
GO OTS! You are halarious!

But you are obviously not FLDS

2:00

rumor-has-it said...

If the "prophet" has kicked out the immoral men, he would have kicked out him and his brothers first.

Anonymous said...

Now wouldn't that be a Hoot!

Ole' Warren giving his bony butt the boot.

In spite of his delicate, fragile look,

The FBI's gonna' throw him the book,

It's too late to cover his boney arse,

When he booted himself he uncovered a farce.

When he kicked himself it was ever so lightly,

Standing last in the line of those who had served spritely.

His buddies, the ones he'd kicked out of camp.

Gingerly slept and lived in the damp.

While he took as his own their wives and children.

And left them alone their sins he did mention.

So now here's a puzzel, do we stay or do we fight?

To take back our money, our land and our life.

Or do we sit here like a bump on a log.

With no more concience than a toad or frog.

Where will we go and what will we do?

While Warren's runnin' 'round like a hoss' thrown a shoe.

Do we sit 'round here lickin' our wounds?

Or stand like a Man with nothin' to loose.

Tex's Opinion

Anonymous said...

Warren has done more to eradicate polygamy than governor pile ever did.

onthestreet said...

That's right! See, Warren is a good man after all. He doesn't believe in polygamy, nor does he practice it.

mugwump said...

And has done more to re-create the atmosphere of Sodom & Gomorrah than any living being.

If he's innocent, go to trial and prove it.

onthestreet said...

Sheep do not belong is wolve's dens. The dogs can haggle with the dogs. What does the Lord Jesus Christ Himself say about the courts in our day, in this last end-time? (Rev. 11):

1 - And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 - But THE COURT which is without the temple LEAVE OUT, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

There's the proof of Warren Jeffs' propriety and obedience to the Lord, by leaving the courts alone, after the reed was given, and the temple.

SO TODAY, YOU ARE ALL ADVOCATING REBELLION AGAINST JESUS CHRIST. THAT IS THE ANTI-CHRIST.

mugwump said...

mess on the road

Warren Jeffs IS NOT Jesus Christ. Your delusions have made you become mad.

WJ is a fugative from justice. He has been indicted by citizens of the communities in which he committed the crimes for which he is accused. I SAID HE WAS INDICTED BY THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITIES.

Courts don'd indict. They try a case allowing both the people and the defendant to present their case before jurors (WHO ARE CHOSEN FROM THE POPULATION AT LARGE) and who are mutually acceptable to both the people and the defendant.

A Judge oversees the trial to see that justice and equal opportunity is given to both parties to the argument.

The Jury reaches a verdict following presentation of all evidence. Dependent upon state law, either the jury or the judge pronounces aquittal or sentence.

SINCE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM, WHY DON'T YOU STOP BLOWING SMOKE BY SHOWING YOUR ABSOLUTE STUPIDITY.

ATAR_i said...

ots - take a lithium and do a rewrite in an hour.

Anonymous said...

so, every person who is in contempt of court is the Savior?

Anonymous said...

good question annon. I'll bet it takes a full prescription of valium to calm him down. Did I just hear 'PING'?

nuf sed

onthestreet said...

mugwump said...
mess on the road

Warren Jeffs IS NOT Jesus Christ. Your delusions have made you become mad.


STREET'S Reply: You are being delusional if you think anyone's saying the Prophet Warren is Jesus Christ. I just quoted Jesus Christ, and then suggested that we not reject it. For you or anyone else to get upset over the Word of God, Jesus Christ, makes you His enemy.

onthestreet said...

So you certainly have become mad. Just don't get madder, for devils rage. Repentance is a beautiful thing.

onthestreet said...

If you keep stepping in that manure, it'll soon be up to your eyeballs. Then your other balls will not be very manly.

ATAR_i said...

That's the most introspective comment about your own condition I've heard you utter yet.

If you keep stepping in that manure, it'll soon be up to your eyeballs. Then your other balls will not be very manly.

mugwump said...

nuf sed

onthestreet said...

Amen. Nuf sed. Now get over it.

mugwump said...

hey soddy-bottom,

In your case I'm not so sure the issue is settled. You surely squeal some pretty high squeeks when someone gets close to the truth you so want to deny!

Are you the way you are because you are a castrati? If that's the case it makes you of even greater use to WJ. Not only can you sing soprano at the age of 25-30, but you have no natural sexual urges therefore, you are at Jeffs beck and call day and night. And any of your stupid remarks about Jeffs completing coitus by emmaculate conception is even further out of touch with reality.

onthestreet said...

Reality is NOT physical, but exoterical, as in "Is-Real".

onthestreet said...

Physical existence and literal interpretation are dillusional digressions from the higher planes of conscience.

mugwump said...

Which state of existence are you currently in? If exoterical, how do you operate a keyboard?

DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND ANYTHING FROM 12:51. Can you put it into plain English?

Some, obviously, think of themseves as so spiritual they can't communicate with us poor mortals.

Anonymous said...

You see, it isn't what is physically happening that matters. If your mind is on a higher level of existence during coitis, it is immaculate and not rape. If your mind is pure and holy while sodomizing boys, it is holy and not molestation. You see, it is all in the mind.

Isn't it fun trying to sound like street?

mugwump said...

This is the most believable explaination yet offered. This, even I can understand.

I seriously doubt that 99.9999 (to infinity)% of the human race is capable of such a concept without having some kind of an enabling implant. Expressed physical love is natural, not the result of being transported to an exoterical state of mind. This high minded love is best expressed when two people, man and wife, are totaly devoted to the completeness of the act, not so much for their own benefit as for that of their partner. This expresses both the spiritual and physical completion of the two becoming one flesh.

onthestreet said...

When you enter into that kind of grossness, it is sexual, is it not? It is male and female relations. Therefore, it is NOT one flesh, but two: Male and Female. It defiles the pure spirit, and "I will not dwell in an unclean tabernacle", saith the Lord.

When you are neither male nor female, but fully resolved on the Tree of Life, in the Sanctuary of God, sowing to the spirit and not to the body, then are ye saved and exalted in His presence.

It takes a miracle to obtain that state of mind and body, a self-hypnosis, the workings of the spirit within you, to overcome the urgings of the body and submit to the urgings of the spirit.

The Lord told Eve: "Thy desires shall be to thy husband", not the other way around. The husband's desire shall be to his Lord, for his is the wife or the bride of the bridegroom, Christ. Otherwise, you are defiled and He dwells not in you.

onthestreet said...

HE is the wife.

onthestreet said...

Let's clarify: That was a typo. HE (the husband) is the wife of Him, Christ.

Anonymous said...

The fulfillment of coitus comes at its climax. This will not occur naturally unless the male glans is excited to the point of ejaculation. Male excitement comes about as the result of the vaginal walls of the female become excited by friction of the male glans rubbing against them. The vaginal walls then begin to contract. This contraction results as the clitoris, external female organ becomes excited, in becoming excited an increase of feminine lubercation and an increase in contractions of the vagina occur. Clitoral excitement results as the base of the male penis rubs against the clitoris. Sexual climax is the result. Artificial insemination or embryo implantation are the only ways for humans to bear a child.

If this description doesn't fit your exact wording, I suggest that you go to the nearest library and check out a textbook on human physiology or human sexuality.

rcn

onthestreet said...

STREET’s Reply (6/05/2006 8:56 AM):
This is only true of the beast. “My Kingdom is NOT of your world”, nor your animal nature, but divine. What you describe is merely physical and sexual, not causal and spiritual. I suggest you go and check out your nearest Holy Bible.

Anonymous said...

How long until street tries to teach us about immaculate fecal movements?

Anonymous said...

I think he did on the "Chess game" thread.