Friday, March 31, 2006

Women's rights

What about the women's rights in a polygamus society?

Have they given up their rights?

24 comments:

Admin said...

I am not a member of a group, but I have friends who are members and friends who are Independents, and they have NOT given up their rights. It's a silly question that might be true of FLDS members. A plural wife might have subscribed to a life where she will not have legal marriage benefits, but she does not lose her rights as a citizen of the United States, for heaven's sake, at least, not unless the anti-people succeed in pushing sufficient government oppression and antagonism to deny her rights based on her participation in a polygamous relationship.

Admin said...

I haven't given up MY rights, either.

Anonymous said...

Polygamist wifes, single women living with men have rights with the current laws in some states, some might even be considered commonlaw marriages and they could pursue challenging a man for his property, if they choose to leave him. OUCH! Get a good lawyer!

Education is the key, that is the power the FLDS women do not have open to them. They do not know their legal rights.

Anonymous said...

You have the right to remain silent.

just kidding.

Anonymous said...

Truth is the key, not education. Education is a tool to enable an individual to discern and select.

Anonymous said...

Common Law Marriage
THE MYTH: There is a common misperception that if you live together for a certain length of time (seven years is what many people believe), you are common-law married. This is not true anywhere in the United States.
STATES THAT RECOGNIZE COMMON LAW MARRIAGE: Only fifteen states recognize common law marriages:
IF YOU LIVE IN A STATE THAT DOES RECOGNIZE COMMON LAW MARRIAGE:
If you live in one of the above states and you "hold yourself out to be married" (by telling the
community you are married, calling each other husband and wife, using the same last name, filing
joint income tax returns, etc.), you can have a common law marriage (for more information on the
specific requirements of each state, see reverse). Common law marriage makes you a legally married couple in every way, even though you never obtained a marriage license. If you choose to end your relationship, you must get a divorce, even though you never had a wedding. Legally, common law married couples must play by all the same rules as “regular” married couples.
If you live in one of the common law states and don't want your relationship to become a common
law marriage, you must be clear that it is your intention not to marry. The attorneys who wrote
Living Together (additional information below) recommend an agreement in writing that both
partners sign and date: “Jane Smith and John Doe agree as follows: That they’ve been and plan to continue living together as two free, independent beings and that neither has ever intended to enter into any form of marriage, common law or otherwise.”
IF YOU LIVE IN A STATE THAT DOES NOT RECOGNIZE COMMON LAW MARRIAGE,
there is no way to form a common law marriage, no longer how long you live with your partner.
There is one catch: if you spend time in a state that does recognize common law marriage, “hold
yourself out as married”, and then return or move to a state that doesn't recognize it, you are still
married (since states all recognize marriages that occurred in other states). However, this is murky legal territory and we don’t recommend experimenting with it!
STATE-BY-STATE REQUIREMENTS TO FORM A COMMON LAW MARRIAGE:*
Alabama The requirements for a common-law marriage are: (1) capacity; (2) an agreement to
be husband and wife; and (3) consummation of the marital relationship.
Colorado A common-law marriage may be established by proving cohabitation and a
reputation of being married.
Iowa The requirements for a common-law marriage are: (1) intent and agreement to be
married; (2) continuous cohabitation; and (3) public declarations that the parties
are husband and wife.
Kansas
For a man and woman to form a common-law marriage, they must: (1) have the mental capacity to marry; (2) agree to be married at the present time; and (3)
represent to the public that they are married.
Montana
The requirements for a common-law marriage are: (1) capacity to consent to the
marriage; (2) an agreement to be married; (3) cohabitation; and (4) a reputation of
being married.
Oklahoma
To establish a common-law marriage, a man and woman must (1) be competent; (2)
agree to enter into a marriage relationship; and (3) cohabit.
Pennsylvania
A common-law marriage may be established if a man and woman exchange words
that indicate that they intend to be married at the present time.
Rhode Island
The requirements for a common-law marriage are: (1) serious intent to be married
and (2) conduct that leads to a reasonable belief in the community that the man
and woman are married.
South Carolina
A common-law marriage is established if a man and woman intend for others to
believe they are married.
Texas
A man and woman who want to establish a common-law marriage must sign a form provided by the county clerk. In addition, they must (1) agree to be married,
(2) cohabit, and (3) represent to others that they are married.
Utah
For a common-law marriage, a man and woman must (1) be capable of giving consent and getting married; (2) cohabit; and (3) have a reputation of being husband and wife.
Washington, The requirements for a common-law marriage are: (1) an express, present intent to
D.C. be married and (2) cohabitation.
* Source: It’s Legal! Legal Information Network, whose website no longer exists. The Alternatives to Marriage Project is
not responsible for omissions or inaccuracies in the above information.
** Oklahoma’s laws and court decisions may conflict with each other about whether that state recognizes common law
marriages formed after 11/1/98

Anonymous said...

No wonder every thing is so mixed up. I wonder what you would live like if you ditched the little green paper that made slaves of you all.

Anonymous said...

because the only right that any one has is if they pay a good lawyer and can dish-out the green bills. And woman have a right to love a man. But the government has no right to harrass her for this love of this man. Though i am not married to him yet, i will be. And when the government has over-stepped its bounds and steal money beside land; what right's do any one of us have, but what we did in the beginning. The right to love a man. The right to a lawyer; the right to trial and considered inacent until proven Guilty. And what right did a woman have when the government took them? And you speak of rights. I wonder what you would live like if you ditched the little green bill that made slaves of you. I wonder what rights woman would have if God did immediatly strike dead the guilty. I wonder what rights the woman would have if all men were just. I wonder what rights we would have if you did not make laws to make me illegal, when i was born the same as you. I wonder what rights we would have if you ditched the little green bill that made slaves of you. Greedy selfish slaves.......

Anonymous said...

And who of you really cares about the abused except you get a peice of the little green slavery paper............. And tornado's with golf sized hail did also speak. With floods in other places. Who among you are honest? Who among you are living the law of jesus?

Anonymous said...

Do you people have any idea what your talking about?

Anonymous said...

anon 12:09

What the hell are you talking about? What green paper? Are you talking about money? Cash? You spend it the same way that we do, so what is your point?Golf ball sized hail? Hellooooooo!! Didn't the temple in tx just get damaged by hail? You really need to pay better attention to your ranting!

I might also add that while I am not exactly religious, I know that you are supposed to "love thy neighbor". Is this what loving your "neighbors" is like? Preaching nonsense that you probably can't quite swallow as the truth, yourself. Why can't you just get it through your pretty little heads that we don't care if you have 20 wives or 20 husbands or whatever. IT IS THE ABUSE AND MARRIAGES OF UNDERAGE GIRLS!!!!! Now, stop all of that and we will be hunky-dory.

Anonymous said...

What-ever. Do you know for sure what you talk about?

Anonymous said...

STREET

I don't know how long it took you to read my post, but you obviously did not read it right. For one thing I did not say any thing about you getting anyone's approval for anything! And another thing I never even hinted at your people not having children. That is absurd. As for your comment about the virgin Mary, We live in a very different time now. Just in case you had not noticed. And I am also wondering, Are you jewish now? You seem to know a little something about other religions. I wonder how that happened?

It is you, street, who twist God's words.In your post you prove my point perfectly. You do not have the capacity to "love thy neighbor". So, I thank you.

Anonymous said...

In the FLDS Culture there seems to be a number of women who have been told all of their life that men have the knowledge and power and are never wrong. So these girls grow up and may have an opinion and yet never voice it. They allow men to dominate them, until the point where it doesn't matter if it is the same man, the man can change, as long as they have a "priesthood" man. They never seek higher education, they are the "make-do" easy to get ran over and used.

Those who do seek higher education -- never let their opinion get brushed off or let themselves be treated like a doormat.

So which are you? Doormat or Not?

Anonymous said...

That answers alot of questions. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

What do you mean, street? You are exactly that. A doormat. You lay there and let WJ scrape all the crap off onto you and then you come here and defend him. Who is the genius now? Just keep up on your denial of the pain that has been caused in your community. I do care. That is why I am here. If you cared about the people in your town, then you would be trying to help them. But,no, You would rather come in here quoting the Bible and defending the monster. Shame on you!

Anonymous said...

If he quoted the Bible accurately and with authority, and not the rest of that man made garbage he might have a better creditability.

rcn

Anonymous said...

agreed, rcn

Anonymous said...

Are you a pharmacist, a Naturopathic physician, a mystic or a sorcerer. Why don't you drink a pint of epson's salt to purge your own body, which is brimming with lies, deceit, a forest in your eye and bowels locked down so tight that the residue is running down from under your fingernails and onto the text of the page as you write.

Only after your own purging can you see clearly and have been able to remove the misinformation and hate you have stored so long within yorself. Who knows? It might even help your dual personality disorder.

rcn

Anonymous said...

rcn is an acronym for R.C. Nehi.

Those who have lived in the South know that R.C. is the other part of a balanced diet which includes a Moon Pie. Nehi is like Joseph's coat of many colours. Grape today, strawberry tomorrow. I figured that if you were going to have a King Benjamin and a Nelphi the least I could do was to place a Royal Crown on Nehi.

Methought the previous comment was most eloquent, most appropriate, but inadequate. I'm rather sure that there are others out there who can 'one-up' me. Come on, give it a try. The challenge is to say exactly what needs to be said in the most polite language possible. I really don't care if I am the object of your ridicule or fundy or ots or mugwump or whoever. Pour it on. Let's make it a party!

Anonymous said...

ots

If you think that for one minute I'm going to waste my time attempting to decipher your incoherent attempt to teach a foreign language, or to even shead light on English from your warped, childish frame of mind, K.I.S.S.
(KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID)you are wasting our time.

We are looking for "clever" here not verbosity. If I had wanted to study Greek, I would have done so years ago. I felt as if I had no need for the study then and my opinion hasn't changed. Therefore, your language lessons are a bore.

Like most contributors, I think it is more important for you to share and support your thoughts and convictions, not educate the rest of us. Fo all you know we may hold degrees in history, literature, biology, music, humanities, nursing or any other fields of study, or we may be ranchers, mechanics, assembly line workers, employed in the oil field or school teachers.

So put your little greek textbook up. No one cares to learn the roots of words that are pretty well understood in English, and you are not going to change our minds anyway. Now go back, take a tranquilizer, and try again.

rcn

Anonymous said...

Alright, lets add Hebrew to the language list I don't need to know. There are many parallel translations in both Greek and Hebrew. I can compare those translations to the several versions of the Bible I have at my disposal.

I'd feel the same way about French, German, Italian, Spanish, Latin, Swaheli(?), Chinese or any other written language. Let someone else be the language scholar. I can discern.

rcn

Anonymous said...

Thank you faithful woman:

Sometimes you would think that our resident idiot is an hermaphrodite incapable of demonstrating dominance from either gender. I don't know when I have ever read anything written by such a confused individual. I think that because he/she/it can not determine just what normal sexual drive should include that therefore he/she/it is presumtative that just because he can't enjoy it he'll damn the whole natural event.

Although some religions practice sexual union as a part of their worship, there are those of us who believe that such union is a gift from God, for the mutual benefit of both husband and wife and therefore we keep that part of our life private. That part of the union of marriage is so intimate that to talk about your mate's looks, performance or what ever is no one else's business. To devulge such secrets is the equivilent to unfaithfulness.

If a child is born to a union of love it is the blessing of God. If not, each partner can take comfort in the private, loving presence of their mate. In that privacy the two of them together can confide in each other their needs and set goals to accomplish in life other than bearing children.

rcn

Anonymous said...

sic him faithful.

rcn