Monday, March 27, 2006

Why the offensive language??

I have watched the television specials on the FLDS group and also kept an eye on this blog for almost a year now. The use of profanity by some members of this group always comes as a shock to me. I don't know if that is how they relate to one another or if they feel that those of us on the outside would understand their point better if they threw some explitives into their discourse. I find it offensive. What is the deal?

52 comments:

rumor-has-it said...

We find it offensive too!

Alot of the younger generation that have lived a double life trying to live up to the standards of their parents in the day and drinking and "partying" it away at night usually sink to the lowest standards (if they have any).

I write it off to education. Educated people don't talk that way. Uneducated, mentally disturbed people do.

A person who can't remember the 10 commandments and the first laws of heaven...can't possibly talk clean.

by the way, what program did you see? And what did they say?

Anonymous said...

You do hear a lot of the h-word and the d-word in Colorado City and Hildale. Are those the words you find offensive, or are there worse?

Native Texan said...

On the previous thread someone called rumor-has-it the "b" word. Clearly they were affiliated with the FLDS group or the parody wouldn't have bothered them. On the CBS program there was a ton of bad language - not the d-word or the h-word. Someone was called an a-hole for example. In the few live interviews I've seen, anger and profanity seem to be a common thread.

My point is that it seems many of these people are led to believe that the rest of the world talks like this...that to have a conversation with us they have to use filthy language to find a common ground.

polywatchin said...

In some clips there have been these old fashioned clean young women flipping off the camera person. seen it several times.

Faithful Woman said...

In my experience as a young lady, I had a chance to see the prophet Rulon Jeffs by myself, where I usually went with my father. In the waiting room were two men besides the one who was directing the procedures. While waiting my turn for an interview, I was completely repulsed with the language of these respected priesthood men.
Never before had I heard such swearing in normal conversation, other than on TV. It certainly lowered my estimation of those particular men.

Anonymous said...

BAD WORDS are reserved for apostates and the press and people who are fighting the prophet.

golly dang said...

After that last comment I felt like I wanted to swear, but I refrain, I understand that it's not that their stupid, just ignorant of anything intelligent to say. But profanity is usually reserved for people who don't have a good vocabulary. It doesn't take a lot on intelligence to to say the first thing that comes to a corrupt mind

Anonymous said...

I was surpirsed by the Primetime broadcast when that lady told the reporter to go to hell. I can't say I really blame her since I'm sure they're tired of all the media traffic. It just never occured to me they would curse them out but no one is perfect. I might or might not have done the same thing.

Anonymous said...

Can we at least keep the f-bomb out of here?

mugwump said...

Profanity is the end product of a limited vocabulary. There are thousands of words that in many ways can put your adversary in their place without resorting to vulgarity or profanity. Not only is the rebuttal adequate, it will impress everyone listening with the fact that you were able to express your thoughts without having to resort to gutter talk. That is a great part of living in a civilized world.

fttc said...

Keep in mind that many of these people have some trouble swallowing what they are being told to swallow. When they are put on the spot to answer questions they have themselves not been able to come to terms with, they spout off. It isn't so much a lack of education as it is being put in the spotlight where their own disbelief may show through. It may be that most of these people are not good liars. I agree with the statement that vulgar language expresses only a lack of ability to express yourself. This lack can come from not having a solid foundation for your claims as well as a low level of education.

mugwump said...

I am in total agreement. One question comes to mind. How will they ever improve their lot or position in life unless they are willing to realize that there is much they do not know and that by design have not been told? What a terribly cold environment! Deviate siightly from the mantra and things suddenly warm up considerably.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
You do hear a lot of the h-word and the d-word in Colorado City and Hildale. Are those the words you find offensive, or are there worse? 3/27/2006 10:44 AM

STREET's Reply: It's right in your Bible, spoken by Christ Himself, speaking often of Hell, the Damned, the Dogs, and the Dung of society who enmass violate His laws and cry CRUCIFY, CRUCIFY.

Of course, you are right about context. When they use them as swear-words, they're the kind that are cast off by the Lord and by the Prophet, for the Lord says: Let your communications be yea yea, nay nay, not unseemly, and so on, right?

I Cor. 13:4
Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

Anonymous said...

Americans see profanity getting worse, poll finds:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12063093/

Anonymous said...

Everyone knows why people cuss, but why THESE people? It just looks ridiculous for a person who has gone so far as to don fashions from 100 years ago, swearing off television and the rest of the world to be "different", pop off and use gutter language. Why not just wear normal-looking clothing and clean up your language a bit?

Anyway, God says man looks at the outer appearance, but He looks at the heart. Isn't that the real issue with the bad language?

Faithful Woman said...

Didn't say they were perfect. Have been put off quite a bit myself by hypocrites who claim to be perfect and yet don't bother with common niceties because they are 'above the law'.

Anonymous said...

If I remember correctly, didn't Jesus tell the Pharisees that it was not what a man put into his mouth that defiled him, but instead that which came out of his mouth.(paraphrase)

onthestreet said...

A BEAUTIFUL HYMN
“MY FATHER KNOWS”

I know my heavenly Father knows
The storms that would my way oppose;
But he can drive the clouds away,
And turn my darkness into day.

Chorus
He knows, my Father knows,
He knows, I’m sure he knows
The storms that would my way oppose;
He knows, my Father knows,
He knows, I’m sure he knows
And tempers every wind that blows.

I know my heavenly Father knows
The balm I need to soothe my woes
And with His touch of love divine,
He heals this wounded soul of mine.

Chorus

I know my heavenly Father knows
How frail I am to meet my foes;
But he my cause will e’er defend,
Uphold and keep me to the end.

Chorus

I know my heavenly Father knows
The hour my journey here will close;
And may that hour, O faithful Guide,
Find me safe sheltered by Thy side.

Chorus

Anonymous said...

Yes, the mouth does reveal what's in the heart...whether it be profanity or just plain nonsense.

onthestreet said...

Out of Christ's mouth came: "Hypocrit, Dung, Hell, Damned", and many such things. Is this His heart?

Anonymous said...

I made a statement, one sentence long that laid out in simple terms that which Jesus told the pharisees concerning clean and unclean. Now we have an ignorant tirade covering three lengthy posts attempting to confuse the truth. Did any one else notice that?

Anonymous said...

Yes. Also a person who is trying (rather pathetically) to prove that Jesus contradicts Himself in order to defend profane language from a few members of his group. Where is the loyalty??

This is why they call it a CULT.

mugwump said...

agree

Anonymous said...

I swear on this blog because everytime street posts I'm asking myself, "WTF is he talking about"?

ltg

onthestreet said...

Cult? Ahh, let's look at that: It is the very word used in the term "American CULT (ure)".

There you have it. So then, what indeed is a cult?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/cults.htm

"...if you believe in it, it is a religion or perhaps 'the' religion; and if you do not care one way or another about it, it is a sect;
but if you fear and hate it, it is a cult." Leo Pfeffer. A humorous quotation, but one that is uncomfortably close to reality.

"Cults are claimed to be deceitful. They are claimed to be harmful to their members. They are claimed to be undermining American values. Cults are claimed to be just about every bad thing in the book these days, and with the pervasive images of Manson and Jim Jones hanging over us, any group that is called a cult is immediately associated with those two people." J. Gordon Melton.

"My working definition of a cult is a group that you don't like, and I say that somewhat facetiously, but at the same time, in fact, that is my working definition of a cult. It is a group that somebody doesn't like. It is a derogatory term, and I have never seen it redeemed from the derogatory connotations that it picked up in the sociological literature in the 1930s." J. Gordon Melton.

Meanings of the word "cult":
The English word "cult" comes from the French "culte," which came from the Latin word "cultus" (care and adoration), which came from the Latin word "colere" (to cultivate).

onthestreet said...

Some women get so abusive and overzealous in spiritual matters that if you changed just one letter in CULT to an "N", what do you get?

Anonymous said...

Well, at least you're not trying to deny the fact that it's a cult. You seem rather proud of it. And thank you for the additional example of an FLDS person using filthy, disgusting language.

What would Jesus say?

BTW, that's a rhetorical question - you don't have to literally pull up definitions to defend yourself.

Anonymous said...

I don't know ots, what do you get?
Is that lust?

Anonymous said...

Do you people have any idea what you are talking about?

Anonymous said...

where's the confusion??

Anonymous said...

It seems retty obvious to me. ots tried to slip in a four letter word through implication. If you didn't get it, good for you.

fuzz-ball

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said (3/31/2006 8:06 AM):
Well, at least you're not trying to deny the fact that it's a cult. You seem rather proud of it. And thank you for the additional example of an FLDS person using filthy, disgusting language. What would Jesus say?
BTW, that's a rhetorical question - you don't have to literally pull up definitions to defend yourself.

STREET’s Reply: Boy! You ARE filthy. You changed the wrong letter. Like I said, some women get so overzealous in spiritual matters as to become abusive (of their traditional duties and lifestyle), so that if you changed just one letter in “cult” to an “N”, what do you get? CULN, as in Culinary knowledge. They generally abandon their culinary duties or home life for the life of a man.

CULN 826 - CULINARY KNOWLEDGE LEVEL 2 Full-Time Postsecondary Calendar · Certificates and Diplomas · Bachelors' Degree Programs · Apprenticeship. Course Number: CULN 826 ...
postsecondary.humber.ca/courses/CULN_826.HTM

Culinary \Cu"li*na*ry\ (k?"l?-n?-r?), a. [L. culinarius, fr.
culina kitchen, perh. akin to carbo coal: cf. F. culinare.]
Relating to the kitchen, or to the art of cookery; used in
kitchens; as, a culinary vessel; the culinary art.

YOU FILTHY-MINDED PEOPLE. If that’s all your conscience will allow you to think about, why must you spread your poison throughout the kitchen, the house, the city, and all over the world.

onthestreet said...

BTW: That is no admission to your idea of a cult, for FLDS women do not abandon their culinary duties, now do they? We're talking about American CULT (ure). Are they not the ones who BARGE and STRUT off to work like the men, and run for political office, and refuse to fulfill their very nature as mothers, to nurture the children of the nation? There it is, "Cult" in your very title itself.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said (3/31/2006 9:16 AM): I don't know ots, what do you get?
Is that lust?

STREET’s Reply:

Love VS Lust (page 1)

The world is over-sexed. Take that word (sex) and analyze it: Just apply all the vowels, and it pretty well tells you what "sex" really is. Sax tells you that you've been sacked, six as in 666, sox as in filthy socks, and sux? Boy, it sure does. There is no more joy in that than in rolling around with swine in a filthy pig pen. Now, what does the Lord say about it? "As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a beautiful woman without discretion (Prov. 11:22).

You can discover new meaning with words that way, by applying all the vowels and then see how those new words apply. Just take each vowel (A, E, I, O, U), and apply it to your word. You can do the same with consonants to discover deeper meanings and new conception of things. Take "bitch" for example, a female dog or woman without discretion. Let's replace the "I" with each vowel, and you will see how the new meanings apply to the idea of a bitch: Batch, as in a cheap batch of elements or ingredients, undeveloped. Betch, as in belch, or a losing bet. Botch, which you certainly do when you behave like a dog, which will botch any marriage or relationship. Finally, Butch, as in criminal Butch Casidy and some damn kid. So that kind of behavior makes you a cheap batch of ingredients, a losing bet, makes you and everyone else belch, botches everything else you try to accomplish, makes you a criminal, and damns your own children.

Someone tried to suggest that lusting is good, at least with one's wife, and tried to equate that kind of physical intimance with "love". Lust is not love. It is the ultimate hate and one of Satan's greatest deceptions (Rev. 12:9), because it pleases the body. Therefore, it destroys the spirit and the presence of God. As body or physical element, like water and mud naturally flow downward, and fire and spirit naturally tend upward, they are diametrically opposed to each other. "The body is forever warring against the spirit (Gal. 5):

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication,uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


THERE IS MORE TO CONSIDER HERE. I'LL ADD IT IN ANOTHER POST.

onthestreet said...

Love VS Lust (page 2)

Someone asks: "What would you know about 'love'? Your boy Warren has outlawed it. " Okay, let's examine that. The whole world knows that this Prophet has outlawed something. But like the Lord says, Satan in this day will deceive the whole world, which he is now doing (Rev. 12:9). So let's take a look, and see what the Prophet has actually outlawed. Consider the facts:

The Hebrew for "Lust" is A-vah, as in vul-vah, or vul-ture, or vul-gar desire for the vagina, which equates with hate and rape, as you will soon see. If you hate someone bad enough, like the Devil, you will rape them physically, morally, financially, socially, politically, and spiritually. Lust destroys all these aspects of life. Love pertains to the heart of the matter, not the vagina, whose root is "vag", as in vague, vagary, and vagabond. Vagary is an extravagant or erratic notion or action, caprice, impulse, to wander. A vagabond is a person without a permanent home who moves from place to place. a vagrant; a tramp. a wanderer; a rover. So, you can see that is not love. These are things that the FLDS in YFZ fully sacrifice and seal up their minds forever in the Lord of Life., for love is very specific, pertinent, permanent, resident, things that the Prophet has maintained, not outlawed.

More facts: Another ancient Biblical Hebrew term for "lust" is "Howd-vah", so there it is again: "Vul-vah" as in vague, vulgar, vagary, vagabond. The "Howd" is simply Hod, which means "learning". So, hell, you're just a child in training-pants, according to the very word itself. It has nothing to do with love, as you can plainly see, because Howdvah is LUST: "Vulgar learning". "Howd" also means
"Imposing form", so in lust you are only imposing yourself on the female form, caring nothing about the life within, for in the process you destroy that, causing decay, failure, and a slow painful death, the ultimate hate.

Apply the vowels to "Lust", and it deepens the meaning, or shows its true colors: Last, Lest, List, Lost. Get it? It makes you and the poor devoured woman LAST in the things of life, success, society, and heaven. It also makes you LEST or least, "lest you forget", and part of a LIST of the damned, or listful. It also makes you very LOST. That's lust. You can also deepen meanings by applying the consonants: Bust (or busted), cust (or cussed), dust (or filth), fust (or fussed), gust (or destructive wind), just or justice against you, for sewing to just the body and not the spirit, the pot or vessel and not the life within it, but death. Try more consonants: Must (you must have the body, but you must overcome its weaknesses, or be messed, as in messed on and messed up. Rust (or decay), disgust, and so on, all describe what we are talking about here: LUST, which you can plainly see is NOT LOVE, but the ultimate hate and crime, to kill the life or spirit within.

Another Hebrew term for "lust" is "Chamad" (shame and mad), meaning to "covet". The Lord commands mankind to "LOVE thy neighbor as thyself". But what about LUST, which means "covet"?
"Thou shalt NOT COVET". Another term for "lust" is "Kebeduth", which means "difficulty". See, love is simple and healing, but lust is quite the opposite, producing difficulty, complications, disease, of body, mind, and soul. Let's bring up even more evidence: Another ancient Biblical Hebrew term for "lust" is "Kathash", which means "butt, pound, bray". That, fokes, is rape clearly defined, even if you don't even touch the woman. Where is the proof? "Whoso looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery (Mt. 5:28), and "that temple (house, or body) that is defiled, I the Lord will destroy":

King James Version of the Bible: The Book of the Prophet Ezekiel 28
I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, ... 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine ...www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/eze028.htm


Daily Bible Reading - Hosea 1-7 - Friday, August 11, 2006
12: And I will destroy her vines and her fig trees, whereof she hath said, ... O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled. 4: They will not ...
www.bible-reading.com/cgi-bin/daily-reading.cgi/KJV-236


I WILL ADD MORE IN ANOTHER POST.

onthestreet said...

Love VS Lust (page 3)

Let's look at more of the facts. Another Hebrew term for "lust" is "Nephesh", meaning "breath, a heavy breathing animal, appetite for the body and beast, and mortal pleasure", vs love or an appetite for the spirit, the divine, the heavenly pleasures, as I showed at the end of the post on 04/01/2006 9:51 PM (Gal. 5:16-26). See, lust is not the least bit of love for the life of the person, but hate and death for the life, and desire for the death of that life within them, the very opposite of love.

More evidence? Another ancient, Biblical, Hebrew term for lust is "Sheriyruwth,meaning "obstinate". Love is just the opposite of obstinate, is it not? Love is yielding and giving, which is exactly what the YFZ community has done in yielding an entire city and giving it to the obstinate, without so much as a gunshot or even a lawsuit. It has gone beyond that. Let's do another one: Lust is "Taavah". There it is again:
"Vul-vah" as in vague, vulgar, vagary, vagabond. Taavah means
"dainty or small desire, greed". See, love is large, but lust is the very definition of smallness, puny and greedy.

Now, do you want to review all these in the "Vul-gar tongue", the Greek? That is even more revealing
and exposing you for what you are, all in the world who would defile and destroy any woman this way. The Greek term for "lust" is
"Akataschetos", which means
"Unrestrainable (a sex-offender), unruly, inconstant", a criminal who must be incarcerated. Love is just the opposite: It is constant and full of rules, which fully describes the YFZ community. Another Greek term for lust is
"Kathorao or Kathoti", which means
"according to certainly, to apprehend". The world is clearly seeking to apprehend the wrong man, and without certainly, but as a cover for their own certain deception and lust. Rev. 12:9:
"SATAN DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD", as God has decreed he would do.

Here is more evidence. I use the Hebrew and Greek predominantly, because they are the holy and the vulgar languages (respectively) that are the closest to the pure language of Adam that we have. Another Greek term for lust is
"Nereus or Nepios, meaning "wet,
a simple-minded person, an immature Christian, negation (to come to naught, both temporally and spiritually). When the saints are lifted up, there is only a temporary earthly "negation", for they are lifted up to "moont (or mount) Zion", and then return with Christ in His vengeance and hot displeasure, victorious!

Another Greek term for lust is
"Pathos" and "Pathetos", meaning
"pathology, disease, suffering, liable, doomed, death". Also
"phago", as in Phagot, in its true definition. So, these all describe the guilty sex-offending world who defile, violate, destroy their wives and other women, the weaker sex.

Yes, when the saints are lifted up, the Lord will do the inviting. Only then does man go to the moon, for the Lord says: "Come Up Hither", to the seed of the body, the second great light of creation. The Lord then returns triumphant with His saints, perhaps when He sets the moon down in the Gulf of Mexico, a mighty collision to shake the very foundations of the earth. Moon pertains to sexual purity, one's very foundation in all their endeavors. The collision may be gently enough to cushion the cities being set down, or He may let them hover prior to the collision. Yet it will be so violent as to shake all cities to rubble. The Lord is incapable of nothing, and eventually all of heaven and earth will pass away,
"but my word shall not pass away".

Native Texan said...

OTS, thou dost protest too much.

onthestreet said...

Native Texan said (4/06/2006 11:50 PM): OTS, thou dost protest too much.


STREET'S Reply:
Pro is good, and a test is always good. They are both eternal, so it is never ending. However, if your PROTEST of my protest came from him, it is well taken.

onthestreet said...

DO YOU PROTEST?

Anonymous said...

Do FLDS men have brain surgury to neutralze that part of the brain that allows them to produce the necessary engorgement of blood in a well known part of the human body necesary to perform sexual union? If they never have any desire how do they perform? If they have desire how many pentance prayers must they say to be forgiven for their lust? In order to avoid the probability of having lustful thoughts do they now live on a constant diet of viagra? Have they ever consideed what would happen if they became excited and went around in a state of excitement all the time. Wouldn't that be a topic at priestood! "I sinned by lusting ninty-six times today. Will I ever make it to the Celestial Sphere?" Better send him to the doctor and get him an antidote. A second choice would be to allow men and women to learn to love before forcing them to copulate. Talk about the cart before the horse!!!!

rcn

Native Texan said...

OTS,

Obviously you didn't get the reference...I guess they don't allow Shakespeare where you're from, so allow me to simplify. What I meant was, you're extremely defensive.

The whole point I was trying to make in starting this thread is that the FLDS appears to be an angry group of people. It's not far below the surface. Just prod a little and the profanity oozes right out - like an infection, as you so aptly illustrated to our fellow readers.

Thanks for your help.

onthestreet said...

Like watchmen on the tower, eternally vigilent, and let the Lord bring what may.

Anonymous said...

Being eternally vigilAnt can sometimes be a chore. How did you get the job?

We're still waiting for your explaination as how to get a woman pregnant without the mind thinking stimulating thoughts to enhance male performance? I guess NONE of your priesthood council will see the celestial kingdom, including old WJ himself. Or do only little boys serve as his stimuli?

According to your standards they all live in sin. Do not you think the fellow who was recently arrested in Nevada for having forced relations with a young woman between the ages of 14 & 18, against her will, was stimulated? If not, what motivated his act of rape upon her person? She didn't want to engage in the act. Her telling him no would turn a normal man's harmones off. Cause a great wilting of the full bloom. Or do you know about such things? I alluded to NORMAL men.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Anonymous (rcn) (4/14/2006 8:33 PM):

Okay, rcn. I guess it would be a bit of a chore of vigilance to review my posts in this blog, and in the Aimoo forum, considering just the volume of it all, but it’s all there. Just to recap a little, for your benefit, if you can take it:

The key personnel who govern this earth have shown us the way: In the Garden, Jehovah planted Adam’s seed while he Adam, our God, was in a DEEP SLEEP, as the record states. Then, in Jerusalem 4,000 years later, Mary was OVERSHADOWED while he Adam, our eternal Father and God, planted his seed in Mary. There’s the key to Immaculate Conception, right in our own scriptures, and “out of their own books the people will be judged”, saith the Lord.

Throughout the ages, the prophets and saints, the elite of the elite after the siftings, have carried on the same stoic and hypnotic system, the silencing of the senses and the mind itself through methods of self-hypnosis, programming their minds into the spiritual realm and element, thus “multiplying and replenishing the earth”, but also fulfilling the rest of the commandment, “and subduing it”. Through this process of clearing the mind and senses of all corruption and diversion, and lofting them up into heaven in song and meditation, prayer and adoration to God, the seed is transferred by another with the greatest of care and stupor of thought as to the things of this world, the mind and senses being “in a deep sleep”, being fully occupied only with the events and personnel of the spirit and the heavens, or “overshadowed by the spirit, the light, and energy flowing down into the room under those perfected conditions.

First, there is a marriage by one having authority. Then there is the planting of the seed by that authority, under those very conditions, the husband being in a “deep sleep” and the wife being “overshadowed”. See, there is no intercourse like the dogs, animal like. It is not animal nature. That must be overcome or “subdued”, transforming you into divine nature, the spirit and soul filled with light, yet the body and mind overshadowed and overwhelmed.

As for “little boys serving”, they are the very ones that he casts off, so far to the tune of 400 “lost boys”, for that very perversion, and other destructive influences. You only speak from a perverse mind. Yes, IF the man in Nevada, or anywhere else, did that to a woman, HE IS GUILTY, not because I say so, but the Lord Himself: (Mat 5:28) “But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath COMMITTED ADULTERY with her already…” However, you do not err in identifying them as “my standards”, for I have adopted the Prophet’s standard and made it my own, who adopted the Lord’s standard many years ago at his father’s knee.

I say, IF the Nevada man did that to her, he is guilty. But women who were caught in their own sins and cast off, often give false reports. There has to be proof “beyond reasonable doubt”, but today a judge and prosecutor can create that out of nothing. Even Christ, your Redeemer, was “guilty beyond reasonable doubt”, yet the most innocent man in the universe. You speak of “normal men”. “The natural man is an enemy to God”, saith the Lord (Mosiah 3: 19):

“For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father”.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe anything you proclaim. Your ascertions are from bogus works written by a man with an agenda of fooling people, taking money from widows, taking women both married and single to his bed for a little romp. Only when he was accosted by his legal wife did he come up with #132.

God created Adam, not the other way around. Prophets fulfilled their purpose when the two most famous, Moses and Elijah appeared upon the Mountain of Transfiguration where Peter, James and John saw Jesus in His Glory.

Furnish a list of ten men in the upper council of the FLDS priesthood, prior to Jeffs ASSUMING the role of prophet and excommunicating all whom he knew to think for themselves, who endorsed Jeffs role as prophet. Those whom he knew to be strong were cast out. Why they willingly left is something beyond my understanding. Were Jeffs to try to pull something like that on me he better be prepared for a fight like he never anticipated. Those repentant from afar could still assume control of his little kingdom. All that would be required would to find his skinny body and turn it over to a Federal Marshall, call a meeting of all FLDS, reform under a democratically elected leader, get yourselves in compliance with the laws, pay your taxes, shut your mouth and live your lives.

Your whole problem is Warren Jeffs. Get the problem controlled and watch everything else fall in place. Of course I don't know what Mr. Street would do for a job. I can't find that he can do anything but spout rubbish. Does he walk around in a genetically or drug induced altered state of mind, or do all you folks think his postings are the product of a rational mind?

I'll bet that your children were conceived in the same manner as everyone elses. If you believe otherwise what joy you have missed.

I'm still waiting upon the answer to the question is Jesus God?

John 14:1-14 Emphasis upon verses 8-11

Question: Matthew 28:19 Why did Jesus give the command to his diciples to go - teach - baptize IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?

Why would all three personalities of the Godhead be addressed on the command of Jesus if any of the three personalities were less than God?

You go around throwing the I AM title in to false concepts and teachings. Is Jesus God? Is the Holy Spirit God? Be careful, very careful. You tread on very thin ice.

rcn

onthestreet said...

"AND HE ANSWERED THEM NOTHING".

Anonymous said...

That is because you have no answer to truth.

rcn

onthestreet said...

Why so, because I emulate my Lord as He commands ("follow me"), and answer you nothing? By that very reasoning, Jesus Christ "has no answer to truth", and that is a very frightening position to put yourself in.

onthestreet said...

There's the thin ice you're talking about.

Anonymous said...

Americans of Faith:

My Hope is built on nothing less than Jesus' blood and righteousness; I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus' Name.

On Christ the Solid Rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand

When darkness seems to hide His face, I rest on His unchanging grace; In ev'ry high and stormy gale, My anchor holds within the veil.

On Christ the Solid Rock I stand; All other ground is sinking sand

His oath, His covenant, his blood Support me in the whelming flood; When all around my soul gives way, He then is all my hope and stay.

On Christ the Solid Rock I stand; All other ground is sinking sand

When He shall come with trumpet sound, Oh may I then in Him be found; Dressed in His righteousness alone, Faultless to stand before the throne.

On Christ the Solid rock I stand; All other ground is sinking sand, All other ground is sinking sand.

words: Edward Mote, 1797 - 1874
music: William B. Bradbury, 1816-
1868

rcn

onthestreet said...

Nice song. For one to proclaim it, and to make the attempt, is quite honorable.

Anonymous said...

It is not I, but Christ within me.

rcn