Friday, August 12, 2005

Will the "Real" Warren Jeffs identify himself?

The purpose of this posting is to allow the real Warren Jeffs to identify himself and answer questions in first-person. WJ, take your prescription, get your dual-personality under control and tell us why you've done what you have done. It's a fair request. All of North America, and other continents await your address.

165 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry mugwump, I don't think you're going to have any luck. Not because Warren couldn't identify himself, but because he is such a conglomeration of mentalities that he wouldn't know where to begin. HE doesn't even know who HE is!

Anonymous said...

And if he does come on here, he may get caught. I guarantee this site is being watched just in case he does post. He won't come here. He's too busy hiding and touching children.

mugwump said...

Pardon me, I was just going fishing!

Paladin for Truth said...

Warren will never talk to those whom he claims are persecuting him. He has told his followers to "Answer them nothing". Warren will keep forcing the young girls into marriage and the law enforcement will get more and more concerned. The girls will become more and more unhappy. The men will be sent away more and more. The few men who don't end up being sent away, will try harder to understand and live Warren's gospel, something that our Lord and Savior never intended to be lived, something that is against the very fabric and spirit that God gave to mankind when he put them here. Warren has told his members that the government officials are seeking his life and to answer them nothing. Warren will never answer to those whom he considers cattle, until he is behind bars, then the answers will begin.

mugwump said...

Thanks Paladin for your insight into this confusing situation. I am really trying to learn about these folks. If I am to be their neighbor, and it looks as if I have no choice, I need to understand them and their ways.

I am reading everything that I can find that may shed light into dark recesses of their mind set and practices.

Thanks again

Anonymous said...

waste of time , he will never come on here.........sooner they catch him the better..

Anonymous said...

Call me an optimist, but I can see a pleasant outcome to the current situation.

When justice is served on Warren Jeffs, and someone kind and reasonable fills the void...

Imagine all the "faithful" flocking to YFZ, and governing themselves. The beautiful piece of the desert blooms under their care, and it becomes more of a commune than a compound...

Imagine the entire population of Colorado City and Hildale moving to Texas...

Imagine the EPA declaring the Twin Cities a Superfund toxic waste dump and cleaning it up, restoring the area to its pristine beauty...

Imagine all of us here in Arizona and Utah finally able to "giggle from a distance".

Beautiful, ain't it?

Anonymous said...

I feel a tear swelling up.

Anonymous said...

If there were nothing left here in Arizona but the Second Ward, could Goddard and Sheurtlef leave them alone?

Anonymous said...

Heard rumors Second Ward has it own closet of bleach bone skeltons.

mugwump said...

I still am waiting for ots to make his appearance. I'm absolutely sure that he will be able to enlighten us regarding the "Shakinah" (I'm not sure how to spell it but I think it is phonetically correct) glory that radiates from the presence of his god, WJ.

Paladin for Truth said...

The Second Ward may have its closets of deeds of the past, but I think that they are a smart bunch. If you stop breaking the law today, in 4 years you are free, when the statute of limitation prevents you from being tried on those acts. If Warren's clan could just see this and stop listening to Warren now, 4 years would pass away quickly. 4 years will pass a lot faster than Warren's destruction of the wicked will even come.

onthestreet said...

AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT.

Anonymous said...

Street just identified WJ very well.
NAME

mugwump said...

Welcome ots:

Since you claim such devotion to your 'massa, how about answering some questions as posed in the original post. (It's a good thing we can't hear street, the air is about to turn blue)

Remember, keep it clean, keep it sweet or you're liable to wind up back on the street.

If you need to review the questions go to the next string.

Now, no diversion, we'll spot it immediately. Your ability to distract has been revealed!!!

Just answer the questions. No frills, no long quotations, parodies, attempts at humor, "Just the Facts, Man"

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
If there were nothing left here in Arizona but the Second Ward, could Goddard and Sheurtlef leave them alone? 8/12/2005 5:18 PM

Okay, that looks like a fair Ques:
ANSWER: NO! Impossible. And why?
First, it is STILL polygamy, a "CRIME" to him, to you, to all of America. Furthermore, in the political quest of the powers that be to expand control and deminish religion from sea to shining sea, and beyond, CP must go, and so must every vesage of religion and independence that is left in America. However, they will give it a nice name. Let's see, what would be most fitting? Ahh,
"FREEDOM" and "HUMAN RIGHTS."

You see, you CANNOT stop it. "It begins at the House of God, and from there shall if go forth, until the CONSUMPTION DECREED."

Bible.com
Jesus said in Luke 19:46: "Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the ...Let us heed the warnings of the Bible and God's prophets so we will be able ...
www.bible.com/answers/awarning.htm

Bible.com
Judgment begins in the house of God (1 Peter 4:17-18: "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, ...
www.bible.com/digest/digest22.html
Bible Study Topics: judgement
There are many passages in the Bible that indicate that the return of Jesus ..."For the time is come for judgement to begin at the house of God: and if it ...
www.biblelight.org/judgmnt1.htm

CONSUMPTION DECREED:
Comparisons between the Bible and the Septuagint Comparisons between the Bible and the Septuagint ... yet a remnant of them shall return:
The consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
www.ecclesia.org/truth/comparisons.html

Isaiah, Chapter 10 (King James Bible) ChristianAnswers.Net WebBible Bible Study HOME ... as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
www.christiananswers.net/bible/isa10.html

Online Bible Text: Isaiah chapter 10, KJV: For a complete Bible study software package with over one million ... of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-bible-text/Isa-10.html

Can you blame Goddard, Shertliff, the states, the feds, the devil? Nay, they do God's work in cleaning up the land for the return of the Gods: Joseph, Jesus, Michael, and finally Enoch Himself. They are God's servants.

onthestreet said...

Sorry about some repetition and some exclusions in the above post. Just a quick cut and paste, but the included websites should give you all the details you need. Fair enough?

onthestreet said...

RELEVANCE?

mugwump said...

OTS:8/13/06 2:02 AM "Relevance?"

You win the prize! your last post was relevant.

End time prophesies have caused much turmoil in the past few years. I do not take issue with this fact. Different "prophets" have annouced doomsday repeatedly and nothing has happened. It is God, and only God who will end time.
Believers are in eternity from the moment they recognize their own sin, repent of it, understand that their own merit is but as filthy rags in the eyes of The Omnipotent, Omnisiant, Omnipresent God. Look to the Lord Jesus, who's whole mission to planet earth was to provide sacrifice and become our sin. He took my sin upon him on the cross (this is the most vivid example of God's love for us) trust His blood to cover and wash away my sin. Then and only then can I have peace and know my eternal rest will come because of what He did for me.

I paraphrase: Jesus told his diciples that times and seasons have been set and that the end is near. He also said no man knows when this event will occur, that he didn't know but only God knew.

The twofold purpose of Jesus ministry was 1.) to fulfill the law given to Moses & 2.) to redeem the lost unto himself.
Every activity of Jesus presented in the four gospels relates to one of the two purposes.

Do I fear the return of the Lord?
No, I wholeheartedly welcome it. Do I fear death. The only fear that I experience is the rational fear of the physical pain many suffer in passing from this life to the next. I welcome death because I will, at last, meet my Savior face to face.
If my final destination is "Telestial" than I cannot think of a higher reward. According to your doctrine, "Telestial" Heaven is the place where Jesus dwells.

God moves in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform. I have no aspiration to be a god, or to develop another family.
When my life is over, my journey is done and I will go to that "House made in Heaven, not made with Hands" to be with my Savior, once for all.

ATAR_i said...

So who is the real warren?

divaqs said...

mugwump,

I think you might be misunderstanding the doctrine on Celestial, Telestial, and Terrestial states.

Is there anything in the Bible that has anything to do with this? Yes, see 1 Cor. 15: 41-42

"41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:"

Essentially the doctrine is that God is our Heavenly Father. We are his [spiritual] children. There are references to this throughout the scriptures. Like in this temporal life, a child can grow up to become like their Father. Does that happen overnight? No, of course not, it takes considerable time and involves much learning and growing....

In the spiritual realm, eternity is a very looong time. And during this very looong time, individuals have the opportunity to continue to grow, learn, and progress.

Can you imagine an existence where there is no growth, learning, or progression? I would imagine such an existence to be pretty dismal.

In the celestial realm individuals have the opportunity to progress to become like their Heavenly Father and have [spiritual] children. As implied before, this will not be a quick process. The Celestial Kingdom (compared to the glory of the sun in the new testament) is led by Heavenly Father and implies living in his presence (as well as Jesus and the Holy Ghost).

The next lower realm is the terrestial kingdom (compared to the moon). This realm is led by Jesus, though it is not necessarily where it can be said that he will 'live'.
In this realm there will be progression, learning, and growth as well... though you do not have the opportunity to have spiritual children and as such, do not become like Heavenly Father.

The telestial realm (compared to the stars) is led by the Holy Ghost. Our current existence is considered in a telestial realm, since we are left to rely on the Holy Ghost for spiritual enlightenment, without the direct presence of Jesus or our Heavenly Father for guidence.

I fear that your assertian that Jesus will reside in the telestial kingdom is a mistaken understanding of the doctrine.... 1) Jesus will 'supervise' the terrestial realm (i.e. millenium), not the telestial realm.
2) Being in charge of a realm does not imply that they will live there... Saying that would imply that the Holy Ghost resides here on the earth....

Anonymous said...

"will the real slim shady please stand up?"

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Anonymous said...

You people are very wierd. The end of time is never coming. Time is and has always been in existance. People die every day. Every day some-one goes to God to meet there own self, and pay a price for there deeds. What ever price they choose. And as to following LAW: I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMEND IT......"CONGRESS SHALL NOT MAKE A LAW RESTRICTING RELIGION"....."FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR ALL"......WHAT FOOLISH WISPERING YOU PEOPLE SPEAK....WHAT CHILDISH SENSLESSNESS....TO THINK THAT YOU THINK TIME IS GOING TO END...I THINK YOU BEEN WATCHING FLORA'S FLAVORED, PAINTED PRIMER....FLORAS WAR...THAT IS WHAT YOUR WAR IS BEING LABLED...PAINTED LIKE A PUPPET CLOWN....I INTEND TO LIVE FOR ETERNITY...I AM GLAD I DO NOT HAVE TO TALK TO YOU OFTEN.....i MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SHUT YOU UP, OR CHANGE YOUR OPINION, BUT I AM GLAD I CAN STILL TURN OFF MY COMPUTER AND SHUT OFF THE T.V. AND I DO NOT HAVE TO ASSOCIATE WITH PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR WAR. AND PERSICUTE PEOPLE FOR RELIGION...

mugwump said...

Anon. 6:26

My friend, when Mr. Mason, a Baptist, conferred with Mr. Madison, later President of the U.S. concerning the bill of rights Mason's purpose was to assure that no religion would have a superior rating to any other religion. The Constitution of the United States of America,Amendment I. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therof;.........."

The intelligence of the people of this nation should not be challenged by this simple statement. The rule is this: The Congress of the United states does not have the right to fund or give a higher place in society to one set of religious practices in favor of another. To simplify: Congress has no right to make you go to a particular church or keep you from going to one you choose. It is your constitutional right to worship whomever or whatever you choose, be it a generally recognized diety or your face in the mirror. The same statements goes on to guarantee that you have no right to impose your beliefs, through forced measures, to any other citizen.

You had a right to visit this blog. You have a right to avoid this blog in the future. The choice is yours. You were not impaled on a staff, beaten with a whip, had your fingernails ripped out or anything else done to your person to force you to visit this site. No one will do anything to your person for exercising your right to disagree with anything that is posted here.

The participants of this blog have enjoyed "sparing" because exchange of ideas helps build understanding.

Most of the people who contribute to this site do so with a divine hope of future life in the presence of God. They are exercising their Constitutional right to do so.

If you have no desire to do so, that is your right. Whether you believe anything proposed here is irrevelant.

We who meet here are exercising the second part of Amendment I.... or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peacably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Therefore: You, by your complaint are infringing upon OUR right. You may depart at any time.

Anonymous said...

Hello,

I found this entry at http://www.sharethelight.ca/b2/?p=51#comment-1197

It really resonated with me. Perhaps it will resonate with some of you.....

Ohhh what a quandary you get yourself in when you try to traverse the territory with and inaccurate map. Have any of you considered the “one man rule” or any earthly authority over any person (man or woman) just may be wrong?

I would suggest to you all, having been someone who knows all to well and has endured the abuses of “priesthood” that the very premise of a “priesthood” is wrong…never what God intended. And certainly not what Jesus of Nazareth taught. He never taught dominion over another.

If we are all created in God’s image then that would imply that we enjoy the sovereignty of God.

No matter what anyone else tells you, you need no man or woman to commune with God. You need no other man or woman to “get to heaven”. You need no priest, no religion, no temple, no special bloodline, no secret ritual to commune with God, or “get to heaven”…you need only to learn true forgiveness and true unconditional love.

I would suggest to you all anyone telling you to give up your spiritual sovereignty promising special priesthood powers or gifts has themselves knowingly or unknowingly been seduced by the lust for power at some level or another.

Anywhere you find a “priesthood” (ie priestcraft) you find slavery.

The only thing you ultimately have to answer to in this life is the law of consequence or as I like to call it, the law of the harvest.

But the truth is it would take a spiritual genius to endure the conditioning you (and me) have all been through and be able to break free long enough to understand the truth of what you just read. But for that 1 or 2 that really understand this you’ll never spend another second in fear…you’ll never find yourself disturbed or not at peace…you’ll finally be free of the weight of having to have a judgment or opinion about of everyone or everything

mugwump said...

divaqs

Sorry, had to take a moment to insist upon our right to free and open discussion was defended.

Since I don't recognize as divinly inspired the writings of Joseph Smith, the additional D.&C. etc. it doesn't really matter if I don't understand your concept of multiple heavens. I understand this; my God is sufficient for all my needs. Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you, and if I go and prepare a place for you I will come again and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye shall be also: KJV

I'm not overly concerned by my position in the hereafter. If my God can create the earth, the stars in the heavens, life upon this earth, angels, saints, sinners, lost and saved, He certainly can take care of those who claim him as "Father." Romans Chapter 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit 2. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. KJV

And a continuing assurance of Christ into eternity: Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus, our Lord." KJV

I stand on these promises and fear not the future.

divaqs said...

Hi mugwump,

I like those particular verses too.

I think that if you truly follow Romans 8:1, living "in" Christ, walking after the manner of the spirit, that you can't help but become more like Christ (full of love for others, charitable, unselfish, etc) and are living the celestial law...

Live like that and you will become more like the "Son", who is like unto the "Father"....

I see many people of differing faiths and sects who are living this better then me... and it is something I continue to strive for.

mugwump said...

divaqs

Thank you for your considerate response.

Anonymous said...

Oh, you did get a little more interesting.... I see you at least claim to suport the constitution...To say that these babtist person thinks to take over our church....That is laughable....Oh what a funny comic strip....NO wonder they called this the strip......comic...You do have some humor....Ha, Ha,,,,You people at least claim to believe in freedom, why some babtist thinks he will take over....That is funny...That is getting us from Flora's war to the funny papers....And you think we are stupid....Ha, Ha, Ha,,,,I am laughing greatly...You do at least have some humor. War is like that....Remember the show with the guy who said, "Good Morning ve-it-an-am..." I am glad you do still claim to have the freedom of speech....I wonder if you know how to say any-thing good.....I will before I leave...."On the news there is a lot of people protesting the war"....Another american came home...It does not appear to me that America is winning...I hold a flag for these protesters..At least I was not alone in disliking this war....And following a man, in my church, Building citys sure beats following a man, in the government in war....I am sure he is not just "one man" suporting this war....Americans voted for it..some did. And what the book of morman spoke about is happing...It has been from the begining...And will continue on.....For the begining of this earth until the renewal of the earth is written...We are in the begining of the thousand years of peace...If you are not able to be peaceable, you have chosen another fate....I voted for peace...

Anonymous said...

And to say that you can go into the precence of God and do any-thing you like, with no worry about your actions....That also is comical....If you could then you are there...for sin and contention is around...God said Let there be no contentions among us.....And you think that you can do any-thing and not have to make an accounting......My life is looking up...There is some humor left....Your veiws are interesting, but I say if you are a peaceable enlightning soul, then you are propmoting gods kingdom, and If you are a theif and a lier, and try to destroy others you are of another kingdom. And I do not intend to spend eternity among theifs and Liers....So it makes sense that if I want to live in eternal Love, I sure better be propmoting Love...For eternity started long befor your birth and will continue on, long after you are living in the next step of life. In the world where you continue on in misery or joy...According to your choice.....And the evidence of God is all around you. ON the right and on the left...Upon his world he did put all that man needed for there comfort and care....And who will take, when there houses are full of stuff and dust....And who will give, tho they may be poor....This speaks of your-self...To say that a theif will have the same reward as an honest person is comical...A theif has a quilty consience...An honest man can live in perfect joy...even when he is robbed. A theif will be miserable in billions of dollars...For money and stuff have never brought joy....But a cultivation of JOy has brought jOy. And a cultivation of MIsery and theivery and contention has brought anguaish of soul....There are laws affixed to being human.. Nobody does excape...NObody...If you steal you are a thief, and pay the theifs price. If you are honest you reap the joy of honesty....If you drink you are drunk. If you smoke you are in-filterated....God gave all men the earth...Good and sinner....He loves all people....He is full of mercy, Justace, Judgment, and has the right to do as he see's fit... He does give you according to your desires....But to say that you can do nothing to promote love and joy and fulfilment and honesty and you will be filled with these gifts are very funny.....Do you think beer, will bring you close to God...Ha, Ha,,,I am laughing at you this day....Love springs forth love...Hatred and predjudace springs forth the same....Corn will grow corn and peas will grow peas.....Apples and oranges are fruit. Vegtables are grown like fruit, but men does segragate and lable...God did make all...A flower on the desert will feed a person too....and All are the creation of God...He does love all unconditionally, but to say you can sit on your thumb and do nothing to promote your own joy and you will be in heaven is very laughable.....God is unconditional Love....He hath great charity....Are you like him? or do you promote other things...I then will walk far around you..Feed you if I get a chance and pray to my God to have mercy upon you and teach you how to promote love upon yourself and others...We came here to have an oportunity to learn how to do good.....And you are what you are...If you are consumed with vileness you then are vile..... "You", being: "If the shoe fits wear it".........

fttc said...

Anon 11:39 and 12:07

Please! If you want your posts read you can at least break it down into paragraphs and sentences. I think I agree with something you tried to say but I'm not sure. I got a headache trying to read it!

onthestreet said...

Well, fttc, not much compassion or understanding there! You just look at what you see, and lederip.

onthestreet said...

NONNY Said(7:29 PM): I would suggest to you all, having been someone who knows all to well and has endured the abuses
of “priesthood” that the very premise of a “priesthood” is wrong…never what God intended. And certainly not what Jesus of Nazareth taught. He never taught dominion over another.

CURIOUS Reply: God is Priesthood, and Priesthood is God. God and his Son ALWAYS possess and teach dominion, beginning with Adam, to whom he gave "DOMINION" over all things." From then on, the prophets and the Lord have given fathers DOMINION over their families, and commands the faithful to "multiply and replenish the earth, AND SUBDUE IT."

You can find from many scripture the Lord promising men DOMINION!
Yes, they taught dominion over another (dominion, and glory, and a kingdom), just not unrighteous dominion.

mugwump said...

Anon. 11:39 PM 8/13

I suggest that you might want to return to the third grade and review phonics and grammer.

Babtist (sp. intentional) take over? Where did you come up with that.

Mr. Mason was a practicing BAPTIST. He did not attempt a take over of anything. He merely reasoned with James Madison, author of the Constitution urging that the right to practice worship of God according to the dictates of one's concience.

After subitting the ideas to the Continental Congress, these ten Amendments including #1 were made a part of the charter of the United States. The guarantee of Religious Liberty, pray, or don't. Worship, or don't. Contribute, give or refrain.

The Congress is prohibited from paying to support any Religious group, at the exclusion of another. Congress is prohibited from forming a National Religion.
This is the legendary separation of church and state. Remember though, the same Amendment prohibits Congress from interfearing with the practice of religion too.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Ruth welcome back I think?

I think Warren would not be happy with this post. "You people are very wierd. The end of time is never coming."

Your Prophet Warren believes the world is going to end with a big bang and much more.

Ruth you have to decide who you are going to be loyal too, the old life or a new one.
Onewaystreet

Anonymous said...

It is very good to see that you think you think...

mugwump said...

It appears as if it's not important what you think but, what I think you think or, what you think I think or, what I think you think I think. ad nauseum

Anonymous said...

Well, Streetie
It is so nice to know the "in" FLDS have their own personal prophet and father Jeffs to have DOMINION over them. What a comfort to be sure.

What happens when the "in crowd" can't cough up that cash, father Jeffs loves sooo....much?

Onewaystreet

onthestreet said...

8/14/2005 9:18 AM

WELL PUT.

The End of Time
by Kevin Beck, Jan 30, 2005
http://www.presence.tv/cms/cov-end-of-time.php

“Everything that has a beginning has an end.” You might be tempted to think that this quotation comes from the Bible—most likely from the Book of Revelation. However, if you’re familiar with Neo, Morpheus, and The Oracle, you recognize the phrase from the movie The Matrix Revolutions.
“Everything that has a beginning has an end” sounds as biblical as the old saying, “God helps them that help themselves.” But just because something sounds biblical doesn’t mean that it is biblical. Popular theology and pop culture looks to the bible (as especially the Book of Revelation) to seek signs pointing to the end of time. The theory goes that time began in Genesis and will be wrapped up in Revelation. But the concept of the end of time simply is not biblical.

It has been well documented that while the Bible never employs the phrase “the end of time,” it does refer to “the time of the end.” What’s the difference? All the difference in the world.
Consider this. The time can come for an event to end without time itself ending. The clock runs out during a football game. The school bell rings. A baby is born. The time for playing, studying, and gestating all reach an appointed climax, yet time itself continues.
If we can determine, therefore, what the bible means when it discusses the ‘time of the end,’ we might be able to conclude that the end-time can reach its goal without time itself ending. Let’s take a whirlwind tour through the Bible and see how its writers spoke of ‘the end.’

mugwump said...

Redundant redundancy. Same old stuff. Like Jeffs, it's so cause I sez it's so. Better not challenge my authority cuz I am always right.

I'm goin' fishin'

Anonymous said...

And then the end of the world is only a beginning of a heaven. People only live approximatly one hundred years. There time is up, as far as the way they know life at the moment. The world did not end. And every day some-one dies. An They go into the next life, just what they are. That is all that a person takes: Them-self.

Anonymous said...

Streetie I read all your posts here and elsewhere.

You are stuck in a rut...Let’s take a whirlwind tour through the Bible and see how its writers spoke of ‘the end.’

I know what YOU think about the end. And to be fair, I agree the end is coming physcially and spiriually for those who not seek out the truth of what God has truly given to those who seek to know his truth, his Son, the Christ, The Rose of Sharon, The Redeemer. Yes, all should turn from their wicked ways and walk the straight and narrow.

But, dear Streetie your ZION clock will tick down and ENOCH will not appear. Your Prophets have taught half truths and lies and have put the FLDS faithful at the gates of Hell.

I conclude and agree that the end-time can reach its goal without time itself ending.

Streetie, I fear for you when you get to the otherside. You had a gift, and have misused it.

Onewaystreet

Anonymous said...

And mugwump, with a name like that, what is all the talk about a third grade education. I am laughing again. Here is a person with a name like Mugwump and they make fun of grammer. Lets see: Mug I go and Wump up the step? Mug may munch, many, mighty, marshmellows, but wump don't jump. Wump not stump. Wump not dump. Wump not thump. Wump not, well there is one that is silly. hilly, billy, lillie, filly, dilly, diddle, fiddle BUT:::WHAT IS A MUG-WUMP. Oh, the mug is sensible. There is a coffee mug. A tea mug. A beer mug. A keg, that is a mug. and a mug with a wump.. BUT A WUMP? A WUMP? MUGWUMP I certianly see why you would want a person back in third grade. I think you are lonely. Lets write third grade poetry... Mug jumped. Mug stumbled. Mug grumbled. Mug giggled. Mug picked a daisy. but mugwump? Ha, Ha, I like your speach..It is entertaining..Mugwump a third grade reprimand. To little to say. Mugwump..Just jump, up the ramp..And mail it with a pretty stamp.. In the woods, upon the trail. In the pool. but stop at the wump, mug, stump.

Anonymous said...

oh, speech is spelled like speech, not speach. I think that was a computer error. but, I hope you have the Idea. hear is a speach: Once there was a big, big, Troll. He lived under the bridge. Three billy goats lived on one side of the bridge. One day the grass on there side of the bridge was gone. On the other side the grass grew knee high. They decided to take a stroll and go over the bridge, to eat grass. BUT Wait! what about the Troll. And there across the bridge was the baby billy goat. Well, said the Mother. Look at that. What do you supose the Troll was doing that he did not see our baby cross the bridge. Well, grumbled the Father, "You know the stories that were told." That simply could not be our baby over the bridge. "Maybe you need to go see the eye doctor, and get another pair of glasses: BUT, wait! What is that. There apears to be another strange appearance upon the other side of the bridge" "Mother! MOther! What am I to do? I think I see you over there too!" He looked. He strained his eyes. He gaped and he gasped. There on the other-side of the bridge appeared his baby and wife. His feet began to move. His eyes began to water. His legs began to tremble. What is this calamity. It does not fit like the emperors new cloths. And upon the bridge there was a trip, trip, trip, noise. And a voice did sweetly say, " Gossip and talk did make more noise then your feet this day. I watched you in a quandry for years wondering why you ate little nibbles when the grass grew thick upon the way." "Go on, Go on, big goat. Go on. But remember what you say. Tho, My bridge keeps people in a quandry at times, I have never gotten in the way." "I am content sitting in the shade, and it is very entertaining to see how long gossip and talk will keep you at bay."

Anonymous said...

BUT WHAT EVER YOU DO, DO NOT FORGET SPEECH IS SPELLED THIS WAY.

Anonymous said...

speech

onthestreet said...

Onewaystreet 8/14/2005 9:30 PM


So, with you it's not what's good for the goose is good for the gander, just onewaystreet? You offered a "tour of the Bible" and then totally ABANDONED it! You didn't even quote a single scripture, and it seems if you're going to tour something that you will at least sample it, even a "whirlwind tour." I do indeed fear for your soul.

Onewaystreet is NOT the order of heaven, while onthestreet called STRAIGHT IS. You see, my child, "I saw angels ascending and descending. . ."

John 1:51 - He said to him, "Most certainly, I tell you, hereafter
... hereafter you will see heaven opened, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man... Bible Gateway: John Chapter 1 Verse 51 NIV ...
bible.cc/john/1-51.htm

Genesis 28:12 He dreamed. Behold, a stairway set upon the earth
Behold, the angels of God ascending and descending on it.And he dreamed. And behold, a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to. . . bible.cc/genesis/28-12.htm

You see, if you "climb up some other way," you must be cast down, not knowing HOW to ascend and descend. For there is a flaming sword at each gate, guarding the tree. It is NOT just a ONEWAYSTREET. You MUST be ONTHESTREET called Straight:

"If any man tries to climb up some other way, he is like a thief and a robber." (John 10:1). Even if you DID discover the process of ascending to the Throne of God, the descent would make you a vegetable.

Acts 9:11 The Lord said to him,
"Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the. . .
bible.cc/acts/9-11.htm

onthestreet said...

8/14/2005 9:43 PM (Anonymous):

LOL: Yah, I've always thought the same about it. I just call him MUGGY, because of the muggy thought processes, but hey, he's also enjoyed my suggestions of Mug-Rump and Mud-Rump.

Not to call a third-grader names. I'm not the bully on the block here.

onthestreet said...

Why do we call the nations "our Fatherland or Motherland?" Simple:

The nations are the lands that trace back to one father, and one mother, out of many. So, it is their land, under God, indivisible, etc.

Anonymous said...

Dear Streetie,
You did not read my post or should I say your post.

I said (Streetie) You are stuck in a rut...Streetie SAID "Let’s take a whirlwind tour through the Bible and see how its writers spoke of ‘the end."

I HAVE READ OVER AND OVER WHAT YOU BELEIVE. I KNOW THE ENDING, and I hope you will see the errors of your straight way Street. You are going the wrong way.

The road to heaven is a ONEWAYSTREET, with one traffic cop JESUS. No Celestrial Kingdom there.

Dear Curious, Is Zion the Rocky Mountains, Jackson Missouri or all of North and South America!

Onewaystreet is not a "Wait and See Saint"

Anonymous said...

Zion is the pure in heart. the Land of North and south America is also Zion. The city of Enoch is Zion. Jackson county is the center stake of Zion. The earth itself was promised to the faithful. It is written what God does with the rightouse and the un-rightouse. North and south America is also the Land of Joseph.

Anonymous said...

I would disagree, as to the one who would find a way to the stairway of god, as to becoming a vegtable...God said, My kingdom is to all people. Drink freely of the water of life. I think that if a person was to see the stairway and the man with the flaming sword, he would then be greatly qualified to accend and the angel would let him pass. Like the man who did wrestle with the angel. But like the teaching of Jesus, no man can know peace unless he makes peace. NO man can know god unless he seeks him diligently and does the work that is required to accend. Lest he put his feet upont he path-way and walk there-in, he may not climb or decend. But to say that a person would be avegtable if he were to see this great thing, is quite fairly not so..God would not allow him to see unless he was greatly quailified for the blessing. The kingdom of Jesus is open to all men. They are invited to drink freely. They are invited to partake freely. But to say god freely opens his door to sin is folly. He does love the sinner, and compel them to repent, and come unto him. And he has prepared a place for saint and sinner alike. And if you being mortal sinners do cast a man into prison for things that you esteeme as wrongs, Why then could you not comprehend this in God. He does prepare a place for all sinners. HE does prepare a place for all men to be in a place that they are the happiest to there compasity. God is Love. God is mercy. God is charity. God is Justice. God is Judgement. God is all good things. And all men know what it is that they do. They know if they are right or wrong. They know if they lie, or cheat. They know if they are honest. What is the law of Christ? Do you live it? You can only save but one soul. and if you find your-self looking up into the heaven and see the stair-way of Christ, walk on....

mugwump said...

He that runneth in circles shall be called a wheel.

Definition: Mugwump- (mug'wump)n.
[Algonquain mugquomp, great man], an independent; especially in politics

Imperfect in spelling, better at rational logic. Well understood by the common man. Difficulty in being understood by know-it-all would be prophets and their want-to-be voices. Speaks for himself, has no cache memory bank of nonsense from which to cut and paste.
Back to the question. "Will the real Warren Jeffs identify himself?

Beginning the fourth day of this thread. Still no answer from WJ.

Wish he'd hurry up, I'm ready to fish again.

Anonymous said...

That was a very good explination of your name. I shall remember that. As to the fishing part;I hope you catch a lot... And hurry and wait for a long time.

ATAR_i said...

Lord have mercy - I can't stand these advertisements!

Nice job anon 11:45

Anonymous said...

FBI releases statement on Warren Jeffs, FBI believes Warren Jeffs may be in Leesburg, Florida, FBI also states that Warren Jeffs should be considered armed & dangerous.

From the FBI website: http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/fugitive/aug2005/augjeffs.htm

ogre said...

anon 10:26:
was this reported on the news?
does anyone know if Warren is trying to get close to any other polygamous groups?

Anonymous said...

ogre,Does anyone know if warren is trying to get close to other polygamous groups?Yes ,Back in 2003 David Allred,tryed to get the Trenholm-Naylor-Musser group in North Ga. and Tennesee to sell or lease some acereage to Flds ,but was refused.This same group later took in Michele Barlow Jeffs,Warrens ex-wife.I dont know of any known polygamist clan in Leesburg,Florida.Although Jay Beswick claimed earlier on this blog,such a group may exist.

mugwump said...

Thank you for your post.

It becomes rather tedious to exchange barbs with ots. I, for one am glad that you chose to share this information. Again, Thanks

Anonymous said...

Pollution Prevention Plan

The TCEQ requires that anyone breaking ground on more than one acre of land be required to submit a PPP. I also believe that this notice must be visibly posted near the entrance of the property.

Does YFZ have one of these? If so, is it posted at their gate?

It appears that they are doing massive amounts of earth moving. It also appears that they have some significant stormwater issues (look at the pilot's latest pictures of the cement plant)

I would sure hate to be the landowner(s) downstream of YFZ if there are no sediment controls in place.

http://www.tnrcc.state.tx.us/EAPP/F-0600_permanent_stormwater.pdf#xml=http://www.tnrcc.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/search/pdfhi.txt?query=stormwater+&pr=publicProd&prox=page&rorder=500&rprox=500&rdfreq=500&rwfreq=500&rlead=500&sufs=0&order=r&cq=&id=42f3ec5757

Anonymous said...

Mugwump,I think any blog that allows
Onthe Street to participate tends to get
hijacked by him.Street has along history
of mental illness,and appears to thrive on debate and controversy.FTTC.do you have any info.on any of the Eastern Polugamists?I think most are branches of
a group that left Salt Lake City,Short Creek and Centennial Park,and settled in
Missouri?When?Those in southeast appear
to be more assimilated,than Colorado City people i've seen on t.v.

mugwump said...

1:30 8/16

Who are you? If you are a state agency you have subpoena power and power to obtain a search warrant to verify infractions of rules.

I can see the edge of the stone quarry, on the left side of the road, at the top of the ridge, while traveling south on US 277. The best view is from about 2 1/2 miles north of Eldorado. The ranch is not visible from ground level at Pave Paws. Large clouds of dust usually hang in the air. The gate has been moved from it's approach on CR 300, back NNE about 150 feet. I did not see any permits attached to the gate or the approaching fence line. The only sign that I have seen relates to the private property, no tresspassing. I've spoken to several persons who have flown over the YFZ. Pictures are sometimes a bit deceptive. I do not know the current status with tceq regarding permission to build a sewer plant, the cement plant. Rumors abound. I do believe that the water district has issued permits for drilling water wells on the ranch. I've not flown over the site, but have closely examined many photographs.

rumor-has-it said...

Please be careful what you say about Michelle Barlow Jeffs. If per chance that the story of her escaping the compound and that is why Ernie Jessop and Allen Steed got kicked then I would have concern for her life. If perchance that WJ knows where she is I could understand that he would see to it she never talks, because she knows alot.

mugwump said...

Anon. 3:19

I tend to agree with you whole-heartedly. The reason I keep baiting ots is to keep the blog active. I think that if some activity is taking place maybe someone, whether they agree with my position or not, will make a revelant remark. If that happens we will all enjoy the debate more.

Anonymous said...

I am sorry. I do not think Warren would hitch up with others outside his group. He is a control freak. He couldn't chance some other "one mighty and strong" to come his way, unless he has control over them.

Please rumor-has-it Why did Ernie and Allen get kicked out? Was she the gal that Warren kicked in the face and she lost her teeth?

the_lerker said...

Very very interesting.

Not to anialate the subject or anything, but a TCEQ Permit is not required to be posted publicly, only kept on site to be shown to officials when requested.

Anonymous said...

Whoa!Whoa!Who said anything about Warren "Hooking Up"with the Trenholms?The Trenholms have never been Flds.or any Flds spinoff,David Allred tried to purchase some land somewhere in the south-east from Jason Trenholm.But that was long before Eldorado,Mancos and Mesquite Nevada.j

onthestreet said...

How you all confuse yourselves! The blind leading the blind, yes?

mugwump said...

Hey streetie:

Bet today was one you your better days huh? I mean it's not everyday that your paragon of virtue, your hero, your mentor, your warlock, your stargazer, your grand prize among prophets, Warren Jeffs gets nominated to become one of the FBI's ten most wanted in the United States. My what an acomplishment, what an honor. I know all your children are sharing your joy in this outstanding occasion to celebrate this momenteous event. Why it's almost as good as getting your picture on a box of Wheaties. Warren has graduated from being a wanna-be to becoming a star in the big-time.

FLDS can now understand a little of Martin Luther King's speech made from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC, when he shouted "Free at last, Free at last, Praise God Allmighty we're Free At Last."

If the FLDS will take this opportunity to review how they have gotten into their current mess, and take preventative measures to correct it, then we will have no reason for this blog to contain this type of exchange.

Maybe then those who share this momenteous occasion will be able to sit and share love instead of distrust and fear of the unknown.

Nothing frees a people up like having a little wiggle room and a little lubrication to keep the parts from abrading one another.

But, if Jeffs and his ilk continue in power it is not we in free America who will suffer. You who have been in virtual bondage for at least 170 years may, with God's help see the dawning of a new era, not based upon the power of a man exerting his will over you, but based upon faith in The One God Allmighty, creator and sustainer of life.

Anonymous said...

Hey Mugwump...

I looked up the FBI Ten Most Wanted list.

Osama's there.

Warren ain't.

He is on the FBI website, in the August feature of selected fugitives.

But that's not the same as making the "big time".

onthestreet said...

MUGS: So, when the prophets and the saints in other generations had their faith tried, and were cast into prison, and fed to the lions, and all manner of iniquity against them, WERE THEY IN BONDAGE, or were the one's who were doing this sealing their own fate?

31: "The people did harden their hearts, and did seek to kill them, even as the Jews at Jerusalem sought to kill Jesus, according to his word.

34: "Nevertheless, the people did harden their hearts, for they were lead by many priests and false prophets to build up many churches and did all manner of iniquity. And they did smite upon the people of Jesus; but the people of Jesus did not smite again." www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/BOM/4ne.

mugwump said...

sorry my friend, you are wrong.

You can see it for yourself:

FBI Most Wanted List for August

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/fugitive/aug05fug.htm

This is not an invitation to a crowning of a self annointed king. This guy is tenth in a listing for August of twenty. Name, picture - crime: sexual conduct with a minor

You can make all the excuses you want, this guy is a fugitive from justice and the poster, which appears on the front page of the "Eldorado Success" states that he should be considered ARMED AND DANGEROUS

IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS PERSON, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE OR THE NEAREST AMERICAN EMBASSY OR CONSULATE

SIGNED:
Robert S. Mueller, III
Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20325
TELEPHONE (202)324-3000

Anonymous said...

I understand that Warren Jeffs stays at some of the houses in CC when he comes through. Fred Jessop and Merril Jessops.

onthestreet said...

MUGS Said: "This is not an invitation to a crowning of a self annointed king. This guy is tenth in a listing for August of twenty. Name, picture - crime: sexual conduct with a minor. You can make all the excuses you want, this guy is a fugitive from justice.

THAT'S IT: You can make all the excuses you want, calling marriage rape with a minor, or whatever tickles your immoral fancy. No prophet needs any kind of invitation from any man or any set of men. The Lord is about to execute justice upon this land, so it is America that's been fugitive from justice, in MURDERING MILLIONS OF BABIES, and BREAKING EVERY LAW beyond belief.

Go ahead, make all the excuses you want for SUCH ULTIMATE ABUSES, abuses that defy description.

onthestreet said...

The Lord is not "just about to" execute justice. IT IS UNDER WAY!~

Anonymous said...

thats right, make excuses for abuse, street already made his excuse for warrens abuse. Wasnt it "checking for rashes"? Street?
NAME

mugwump said...

ots

you are an idiot. I do not now nor have I ever supported abortion. The presumption that you know my stand on anything is absolutely preposterous. I don't condone divorce because Jesus said, when asked by pharasees that the writ of divorce was for the benefit of man but was not the will of God.

I don't condone murder, adultry, idol worship, lying, invy of another's possessions, I honored my parents, I have been appalled by the presence of any idol, I keep the Lord's day holy, I love my God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.

I do not condone child abuse, child rape, or anything the mormon priesthood stands for. Their need for absolute control of everything removes the right of the individual to make their own choices. They never allow those under their power to even know what the other choices might be. Look at the live and times of Warren Jeffs and you see the practice of polygamy at it's very worst.

I see women and children traded like cattle in an auction. I see millions of dollars spent on projects to make Warren Jeffs the "Great and Mighty One."

Now you can marry in the temple, use masonic hand grips, pass words and secret names and symbols to give legitimacy to your efforts but, in time God will be the judge, not you and certainly not Warren Jeffs. You will be judged by God, not only for your own sins, but for the trangressions of your sons, wives, and daughters because of the willful wrongs done to them since Joe Smith started this charade in 1830. Why? Because you didn't give them the choice to choose the better road.

I am attempting to love my neighbor as my self, but you are going out of your way to put a strain upon that relationship.

you my friend, are a hipocrite, and blindly follow a false christ. I feel pity when I read your ramblings. You are lost in a storm, in a boat without rudder, without a keel, sails, oars, an outboard motor, or any other means of control. The boat is sinking and you don't even have a life jacket. You are within sight of solid land, but you love your boat more than life and will cling on to it until you are dashed upon the rocks of life and drowned in the shallow water of despair.

Anonymous said...

Mugwump, I am disappointed. Somehow you are sounding just as judgemental as a Mormon Bishop! Did someone ordain you and give you a special dispensation to express God's judgement on anyone? And to praise your own good works and pious righteousness? Wow. I'm stunned.

onthestreet said...

MUGGY: See, your assumptions always so FALSE.

First, I never said that you support abortion, but maybe in truth you do. You certainly support the criminalization of marriage, calling it rape, and that would kill all babies, would it not?

Second, you may lack far more than you know: (Mt. 19:16): Now behold, one came and said to Him, "Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?" So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.

But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said, "You shall NOT MURDER, You shall NOT COMMITT ADULTERY, You shall NOT STEAL, You shall NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, You shall HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER, and, You shall LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR as yourself."

The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?" Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

You see, Mugs, the FLDS faithful have sold all they had (house, business, family, and good name among men), and followed him.

But you, my boy, being LDS, SEEK TO MURDER FLDS: ""Do not fear what kills the body and after that can do nothing. Fear what can cast both soul and body into hell" (Luke 12:4-5). You seek to rob the FLDS of their beliefs and their rights to marry and to live and to organize after the Order of the Son of God, according to the dictates of our conscience, as if they were in competition with you. So now, killing that at the House of God, you make the government ready to attack all churches.

“For the time is come that judgment MUST begin at the house of God: and if it FIRST BEGIN AT US, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (1st Pet 4:17-8)

YOU COMMITT ADULTER and accuse God of destroying families (do you not have lustful feelings for women, or your girlfriend, or your wife?

"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy MEMBERS SHOULD PERISH, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and CAST IF FROM THEE: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

It bath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." Matthew 5:27-32

Shall we cover the other commandments named above, that you fully violate, according to the very Word of God? It's all there, my boy. It's all there.

onthestreet said...

MUGGY Says: The boat is sinking and you don't even have a life jacket. You are within sight of solid land, but you love your boat more than life and will cling on to it until you are dashed upon the rocks of life and drowned in the shallow water of despair.
8/18/2005 8:52 PM

STREET'S Reply: And what rebellion or "self-sufficiency" would you suggest for a "life-jacket." God is our life-jacket, whom we obey and you fully violate, according to his revelations. Your own scripture says this:

D&C: 131

1 In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees;

2 And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];

3 And if he does not, he cannot obtain it.


D&C 132

1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their HAVING MANY WIVES and concubines.

2 Behold, and lo, I am the Lord thy God, and will answer thee as touching this matter.

3 Therefore, prepare thy heart to receive and obey the instructions which I am about to give unto you; for all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same.

4 For behold, I reveal unto you a NEW AND EVERLASTING COVENANT; and if ye abide not that covenant, THEN ARE YE DAMNED; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.

AND THIS, YOU CALL RAPE, AND MAKE A PROPHET A CRIMINAL AND A FUGITIVE FOR IT, AND HEAP UP FAR MORE TESTIMONY AGAINST YOURSELF THAN YOU CAN EVER OVERCOME, IN TIME AND ETERNITY.

That looks like a very sunken boat.

mugwump said...

Ho hum:

ots, your tirades bore me.

I notice that you have gone defensive. You continue to quote from works that I consider an abomination, non-inspired, and incidental to worship of Satan.

I have read your revered works, I have read the writings of at least eightx people who have come out of your lifestyle into the real world.

I have drawn my conclusions regrding your priesthood and yor faith from reading those books, and works.

In a nutshell: Neither you nor I can ever be good enough, without the cleansing blood of Jesus. We are required to demonstrate that love by our faith, in acceptance of HIS Grace, our good works are to reflect Christ's love for those whom he has redeemed. When we have accepted HIS Grace, by our faith, good works is the natural product of the two.

The levels in heaven are a tool used by your priesthood to extract your money and total obedience. Outside your selected JS works you have no authority to require obedience to the priesthood under penalty of being repremanded or excommunicated. The only sin that can keep those who accept GOD's grace, through their faith are those who, having been given the message of truth, reject it. Rejections of GOD's gift to man, the shed blood of JESUS is the unpardonable sin.

As it is, I'd much rather stand directly before the Throne of GOD knowing that Jesus blood and unconditional love has assured my eternal presence with GOD. These are not some odorous edicts coming from a fiendishly despotic mad man.

No keys have been assigned to any man, who is subject to sin. And, everyone is. Your Prophet, diciples, Elders, Priests, Councils etc. are made up of men, who are subject to sin and do so regularly. Your present situation is a prime example.

The only advocate you can have before God's throne is Jesus Christ. All the things you do and don't do, in order to satisfy the commands of the priest, especially the order of "placement" are of the devil. God has no part in it. Why? Because you intend to ursurp God's authority by becoming a god yourself. What other evidence than that will be required to send you away from GOD's presence forever?

onthestreet said...

How do you KNOW a true Prophet? "By their fruits shall they be known." Many children are the fruits of the Kingdom. What other people upon earth produces innocent children, for alal children are innocent, and the Lord says: "Let little children come. "

“Hear now my words: if there be a prophet among you, I Jehovah will make myself known ... (Num. 12:6: cf. Heb. 1: 1).

“How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and HOW SHALL THEY HEAR WITHOUT A PREACHER?” (Romans 10:14.)

The people of NINEVAH HEARD, believed, repented and turned to God. The truth had set them free. From the king to the lowest slave, all bowed before the only true God. Nobody allowed position and pride to get in the way, for each one wore the same sackcloth and ashes. King Ashduran III called for the nation to repent. History informs us that Assyria turned from polytheism to monotheism during his reign. Jonah’ preaching was the climax of the “signs” he had received. In 765 and 759 B.C. Assyria experienced plagues. In 763 B.C. there was a total eclipse of the sun. To the superstitious Assyrians these were bad omens, so when Jonah preached about damnation they eagerly accepted the truth. Jonah (3:5-10)

Today we would have MASS RETALIATION instead of mass repentance if the government called for national repentance.

"On your walls, O Jerusalem, I HAVE APPOINTED WATCHMEN; all day and all night they will never keep silent. You who remind the Lord, take no rest for yourselves; and give Him no rest until He establishes and makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth" (Isaiah 62:6-7).

This is the calling of the Church. We are the watchmen on the walls: the very walls of Zion. (It is revealed and written that all of America is Zion, the land of the New Jerusalem).

1 Chronicles 16:22 states "22 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, ... must realize
that false teachers will arise in these last days among the Christian fold
...
Psalms 105:15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. ...He himself has pointed to the destruction of the earth.

mugwump said...

So what's your point?

Anonymous said...

Mugwump:

You go, girl!

You got 'im good!

onthestreet said...

See, lack of understanding in you, "having consciences seared with a hot iron". It's like a drug addict with a fried brain, thus in total and perpetual denial.

mugwump said...

Rave on McDuff.....when you have something of importance to say, I'd be interested to read it.

Anonymous said...

Oh Muggs,

So that's why you write all your drivel. So you can read it like it was important stuff.

mugwump said...

Let each man judge it's merit. It will mean that some will be caused to think but those who fear will reject out of that fear. The greates fear that they can imagine is losing power.

onthestreet said...

It is not power for power's sake, but for His (for Christ's Sake!) as the saying goes.

mugwump said...

That my friend is the biggest lie you've ever told. Your game is pure power, over each other, your wives, your children, your community, your state and if allowed, this country which you so willingly disclaim.

Put up or shut up.

onthestreet said...

There you go. SO TRUE! "Pure" is correct, and knowledge is power, true faith. But as to who owns it all, it all belongs to the creator. Agreed?

Now, why all your venom and concern over power? That sounds like a demon who is never satisfied till he destroys the pure in heart, and rules triumphant over the MURDER of all children, the taking of life, while the FLDS church gives life abundantly. That is one of the sticky points with the Devil.

mugwump said...

I don't need or want any power. My power is worth nothing anyway.
I have nothing to prove.

onthestreet said...

That's it. Nothingness is the Cedars of Lebonon. But without power before God, he rejects you and all who reject his power in them.

And you call that "worth nothing"?
If you prove nothing, then you are not proven to be faithful.

mugwump said...

It is not I, but Christ Who dwells within me.

That is why "I" am not important, I'm a child, saved by grace. That, of course, a concept which you despise and deplore. God's Grace is sufficient. But, you see, I don't worship Your God, Never did, never will. My God, IS God, not a man, nor never was. Therein lays the difference.

onthestreet said...

Does the Bible teach that God is a man? You disagreed with the Word of Faith that God is a man 6 foot tall and 200lbs. Isn’t man created in God's image?
www.exchangedlife.com/QandA/IsGodaMan.shtml

DEMONBUSTER - GOD IS A MAN OF WAR Ex. 15:3 The Lord is a man of war: As you study the Bible, it is clear that JESUS CHRIST, The Son of God, ...
www.demonbuster.com/z1giamow.html -

Is the God of Mormonism the God of the Bible? Bible Truths: The LDS Scriptures teach that God is a man of flesh and bones: "The Father ...
www.bible-truth.org/whoisgod.htm

onthestreet said...

What Is Christian Conversion ...
God's grace, however, is often falsely represented by many religious teachers. "But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead ...
www.gnmagazine.org/bsc/08/godsgrace.htm

GRACE AND WORKS
Before we can discuss grace we must have the precise Bible definitions ...For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also...www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter9/grace.html

"And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no ...So it can exist without works but it is dead = useless relative to the ...
www.biblestudymanuals.net/synecdoche.htm

mugwump said...

You equate God=Adam and have the gall to ask the stupid question. "Does the Bible teach that God is a man?" No it does not.The fact that God CREATED MAN is not the question. Yes, He did CREATE him in His own image. The image of God is relative to the fact that God, in his CREATIVE ability gave to man the ability to make JUDGEMENT decisions. Does a frog that God created have that ability?, a horse?, a monkey?

No man has seen God. Man, because of his sinful nature cannot stand in God's presence. God cannot look upon sin without destroying sin. That is exactly why Joseph Smith was lying through his teeth when he told his followers that he had met God and Jesus in person.

Jesus, on the cross, could have called ten thousand angels and they would have come to his bidding and wiped the Romans, the Jews and all other races of humans off the planet but, Jesus chose to become SIN. That was the reason that Jesus, left the heavens, was born as a babe, live an exlempary life and while hanging on the cross, cried with a loud voice Eli, Eli, lama sa-bach-tna-ni? That is to say, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? (KJV)

Jesus became SIN, God cannot look upon SIN without SIN being destroyed. Jesus chose to become MY SIN. Jesus, being MY SIN, died because HE WAS Sin, in God's eyes. Therefore, I have the assurance of forgivness because, MY SIN IS NO MORE. It died on the cross as God's perfect sacrifice, His Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

You hate this testimony because it is a testimony of Gods grace. And this sound doctrine of grace blows the whole Latter Day Saints Gospel to pieces. Destruction of the doctrine of God's unmerited favor, His grace is your un-doing, and you know it.

Now Bill Clinton Junior, spin that around and make it say something else.

Dear reader, If ots confuses you with his circular logic, come back to this entry and read it once again.

Anonymous said...

So, Mugwump...

You're saying that "image" doesn't mean what we always thought it did?

When it says that man was created in the IMAGE of God, it means just that. God does have an image. And we were created to look like God.

How can you proclaim statements that are contrary to the clear wording of the Bible? Have you received this by revelation from God? If you do not have revelation from God, by what authority do you overturn Biblical truth?

Either you believe the Bible or you don't. You choose.

mugwump said...

OTS

What you refer to as being false is just hidden from your eyes because you never exhibit an ounce of faith in anything but your great prophet, who is currently "on the lamb" and not available for comment.

Now, I'm going to question you.

By what authority do you challenge my right to post my convictions on this web site?

Do you have a special dispensation?

Are you a higher creature than us poor mortals?

What medications are you on that cause you to have delusions?

How long have you been a follower of WJ?

What convinced you to become Jeffs voice on this web site?

Are you the authoritative voice for FLDS.

Are you one of the ones told to repent from afar?

Have you seen the new Temple and surrounding buildings 4 miles north of Eldorado.

What trade do you follow?

Have you been to seminary?

Do you have trouble sleeping?

When do you have the greatest number of visions?

Do you drink coffee?

Do you drink tea?

Do you drink wine?

Do you drink chocolate?

Do you drink whiskey?

Do you drink beer?

Do you drink brandy?

Do you smoke pot?

Do you take any drugs that make you see things, do you hear strange voices?

Have you ever been a patient in a mental hospital?

How do you travel? Aspirate? on a broom? at will?

Do you practice polygamy?

Do you have celestial wives?

How many celestial wives do you have?

How long have you been in the priesthood?

I could ask questions from now to doomsday but I'll bet there won't be a straight answer to any of them.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 8/22/2005 1:24 PM

What kind of "image" does wind have?

What kind of "image" does your spirit have?

How many angels dance of the head of a pin?

What is the "image" of a still small voice of the Holy Spirit?

Just asking.

Anonymous said...

OK, Anonymous 6:48.... I will play along.

I am Anonymous 1:24. I will answer your questions.

1. Wind does not have an image.

2. My spirit has an image. It looks like me. Yours looks like you.

3. I don't know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. That was a poorly framed question, that shows that you know nothing about angels. Angels will not be dancing on the head of a pin. They are too busy.

4. The still small voice does not have an image. I do not know if the Holy Spirit has an image. I assume it probably does, although he sometimes appears in the sign or form of a dove.

God has told us that man was created in His image, and that he created us male and female. That tells us that he does not mean that we each look EXACTLY like him, but pretty close. We do have minor differences between ourselves, and God would have some distinguishing features as well. He is our Father, and we resemble Him, as fathers and children resemble each other. He also told us that He is a Spirit. In the Bible, he lets us know that He has hands, feet, a face, and "back parts". I believe him. Our spirits AND our bodies look like our Father in Heaven. We were created by him spiritually and physically, in His IMAGE.

onthestreet said...

NONNY 1:24, 7:31:

That's the common understanding of things, but he is a peculiar God and "God moves in mysterious ways."

1. Wind does not have an image? IMAGE IS LIKENESS, SO WIND HAS A LIKENESS (water is a little like wind, with the currents, as is electricity, etc.).

2. My spirit has an image. It looks like me. Yours looks like you. SPIRIT IS ELEMENT, so like wind and ether it can take any shape and size. This is why God says: "I am in all things and through all things."

3. I don't know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. That was a poorly framed question, that shows that you know nothing about angels. Angels will not be dancing on the head of a pin. They are too busy.

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4. The still small voice does not have an image. I do not know if the Holy Spirit has an image. I assume it probably does, although he sometimes appears in the sign or form of a dove. AGAIN, ALL THINGS HAVE A LIKENESS.

ATAR_i said...

Nice answers anonymous - concise clear, meant to educate.

mugwump said...

ots

Oh, so now YOU have un-common understanding. I suppose this means that in all ways you have become a superior human being.

How did you gain this marvelous ability. Did the profit (intentional) grant it to you?

Are you a seer? Can you see the future. Can you no translate ancient, hereto unknown languages?

Are you a candidate to replace Joe Smith?

What is today's revelation? What did you see in the bottom of your hat gazing through your "seer" stone?

HOGWASH!

onthestreet said...

Is that your brand of a Hug-Mug? You compiment me so well. Just be careful that you don't start sounding like those who blindfolded our Redeemer, and then struck him in the face, and gouged him with thorns, and in the process managed to screach out some resemblance of words demanding that he have a revelation as to who struck him, to prove his divinity.

Good job, brother.

mugwump said...

I seriously doubt that your mockery would pass off as worship.

Anytime you start claiming to be "Christ like" I feel like puking.

Satan wanted to be the world's redeemer, but was whipped forever when Jesus rose from the dead. His righteousness overcame death and the grave, not only for himself, and by himself, he did it for me. And I am very grateful.

Your righteousness is like to that of the Scribes and Pharasees.

mugwump said...

ots

Since you have such self asteem, why don't you have a picture taken of your esteemed self, place it on a billboard just outside Colorado City and wait behind and watch and see how many FLDS, who know you as ots, go by making obscene jestures at your photo.

You are so warped you'd make a Joshua Tree look straight by comparison.

onthestreet said...

8/23/2005 6:24 PM: There is no mockery in loyalty, or the desire and effort to be Christ-like, don't you agree? Anyone disliking that effort is the offender, wouldn't you agree brother? For someone to "puke" over another who tries to claim for himself the ways of Christ is also offensive, don't you agree? So you want to be very careful when you oppose someone for worshipping God according to the dictates of their own conscience, or for defending those who are maligned for doing the same. Like you said, Satan wanted to be the world's redeemer, not Christ-like. There's a big difference, isn't there? If you are not yet Christ-like but trying to be, you are not warped or like the Scribes and Pharasees as all, are you?

onthestreet said...

You would not be like the Pharasees AT all, but a friend to every saint and sinner who seeks to be like Christ, instead of mocking them and calling them "warped," and suggestion "obscene gestures".

onthestreet said...

I should say, "suggesting".

mugwump said...

ots

What you don't understand is the difference between "being" and trying to be.

Being requires the sinner to acquaint themself with the "WORD" and let HIM live through them.

Trying entails an effort to impress himself, other humans and the "Word" to whom your works are but as trash. All this accomplishes is a "holier than thou" attitude.

I can't be as holy as Christ, all I can be is to become a vessel being used by Christ to accomplish HIS work. Can you see the difference?

Being allows Christ's work to continue through you, who recognize that all accomplishments for good, are the product of Christ, not you or me.

onthestreet said...

Righto, Muggo: We can try, and as the great Prophet says: "Angels can do no better". But vessels that are not pliable shatter on the potter's wheel. Yet, I sense that your intention is to try, and angels can do no better.

Your last paragraph above is very complimentary. Thanks for the compliment, Mugs.

BTW, Christ's work continues through ALL, saints and gentiles and devils. All contribute to his work and glory and praise, and especially when they are kicking the hardest.

Anonymous said...

You remind me a lot about what's left "on the street" after the parade has gone by.

Anonymous said...

Where are the street sweepers when you need them?

onthestreet said...

lol: Oh, I ain't that bad. But then if it fertilizes your garden, that you might grow, the Lord be praised.

mugwump said...

better to be the sweeper than the swept!

onthestreet said...

The FLDS point EXACTLY. Well put, Mug. The wicked are about to be swept off this land, says the Lord. Need references?

Anonymous said...

well i guess that disposes of you then streetie! instead of being a dumpster diver he has become that which wast cast into the fire.

ATAR_i said...

ots's 2:20 remark seemed so arrogant

"God resists the proud, and gives grace to the humble" Jam 4:6

onthestreet said...

Yes he does. Thank you. It is very humbling, and I am a witness of his grace upon me daily.

polywatchin said...

Hey, can anybody tell me what thread the question of WJeffs histroy was on? Like who had him for a teacher / principal / student or next door neighbor & what was he like when he was little, middle, and "grown up"...

mugwump said...

The thread of August 10th. "Just Who Is Warren Jeffs?" was started for that distinct purpose. But, like so many others the thread has played host to a variety of information, argument,
one-upsmanship, and irrellivant material that it's original purpose has been lost in a cloud of ots et. al, including me. If you have revelant information please share quickly, before this thread expires.

polywatchin said...

Thanks, Mugwump. Sorry, no. I don't have any info...I'm very interested, though.

onthestreet said...

I had him for both a fellow student and a teacher. He's always a blast to be around, and you respect him. He's after all like his father, who can look right through you, and ignore the stupid little things that people do and say. Then, if it's not perfection, you're out of there.

That's him.

"I the Lord do not look upon sin with the least degree of allowance:

D&C 1:

ONLY TRUE CHURCH OUT OF OBSCURITY 30 And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually.

ZERO TOLERANCE
31 For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance;

REPENT, GET FORGIVEN
32 Nevertheless, he that repents and does the commandments of the Lord shall be forgiven;

OR LOSE LIGHT
33 And he that repents not, from him shall be taken even the light which he has received; for my Spirit shall not always strive with man, saith the Lord of Hosts.

AVAILABLE TO ALL
34 And again, verily I say unto you, O inhabitants of the earth: I the Lord am willing to make these things known unto all flesh;

DOES NOT PLAY FAVORITES
35 For I am no respecter of persons, and will that all men shall know that the day speedily cometh; the hour is not yet, but is nigh at hand, when peace shall be taken from the earth, and the devil shall have power over his own dominion.

POWER OVER SAINTS, TO DESTROY THE REST:
36 And also the Lord shall have power over his saints, and shall reign in their midst, and shall come down in judgment upon Idumea, or the world.

Doctrine and Covenants 29:21:
And the great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall be cast down by devouring fire, according as it is spoken by the mouth of Ezekiel the prophet, who spoke of these things which have not come to pass but surely must, as I live, for abominations shall not reign.

ATAR_i said...

How long were you in school OTS that he was both a fellow student AND a teacher?

mugwump said...

Sounds like bots is trying to equal wj to Jesus in the Temple at age 12. Be careful bots, you are allowing your alligator mouth overload your canary frame.

fttc said...

That's quite a picture! OTS the canary caught in his own alligator mouth. I wonder who would win?

onthestreet said...

lol: So true! Man is nothing, and especially OTS. But God moves, and He is very large indeed.

mugwump said...

How big is YOUR God?

Anonymous said...

Are you trying to tell us that you can measure God?

onthestreet said...

Right, Nonny. Very good. See Muggy, God is infinate, immeasurable, and incomprehendable to you.

mugwump said...

bots:
bots
Why don't you join a dance team. You wiggle away from the point of anything remotely sensible. You were attempting to give us an idea of just how big your god is. It was your idea, not mine that God was a measurable entity. We are still waiting on your measurements and the system upon which you base your facts. My GOD cannot be measured. I suspect you see your god in the reflection of your mirror.

onthestreet said...

Big, yes. Measurable, no. So big, that he is immeasurable to you, see. So Muggy now, that it's as clear as mud, yes?

Now,as for my seeing God's reflection in my mirror. I SURE DO. That is called a creation after the image of God. You err again because of sin, in not being a reflection of God, or created in body and spirit and soul after his own image, because you refuse to be like him.

polywatchin said...

onthestreet, what grade did you have wj for?

onthestreet said...

Maybe you should ask, what class?

Anonymous said...

Greetings, I am The most holy and exalted WARREN and there are no Gods before me. I am the first and the last prophet and God of the Earth. Men tremble and weep for forgiveness but I offer none, but take there women and children and cast them into the wilderness. Very few if any men will I keep near and only as it suits me.


(wouldn't this be funny if only he didn't really believe this?)

----DONE WITH WARREN
DOWN WITH WARREN!!!!!!!!!!
TO HELL WITH YOUR PRIESTCRAFT!!

Anonymous said...

Wow! annon. 5:11

Why don't you tell us what you really think?

mugwump said...

This was posted on August 12. Today is September 2. In all that time we have not heard one word from WJ. He is too busy trying to keep his posterior out of jail. But, until he appears before the bar ther can be mo justice concluded in this whole manner.

Will Warren Jeffs identify himself?

From experience I think that the answer is no. He doesn't want closure. He wants to hang on to the minute power he is experiencing urrounded by his "bully boys." What a jerk!

onthestreet said...

Minute power: Right Again: He who has minute powers can move and work instantly, effectually, by the minute, and even in the most minute or microscopic details. Tend to the details. Then the cosmic and macro-powers manifest themselves.

mugwump said...

Yeah, his lookouts can spot the cops a mile up the road. His bodyguards have been taught to shoot first and ask questions later. Does Jeffs have diplomatic immunity in the presence of Osama?Their methods are so similar.

onthestreet said...

If he is so well defended, it is because of his virtue and innocence, a light on a hill. Yes, he has diplomatic immunity. You have no such defense. Therefore, you must fall.

onthestreet said...

You might succeed some day in attacking others. Christ was attacked, but he rose the third day to eternal power and glory. The Prophets do the same. Then what chances do you have?

mugwump said...

Virtue? Innocence? I guess he is Virtuous, Kind, Considerate, A Gentleman, Courteous, Peace loving, Celibate, Visionary, Sterling as to Character. Maybe there are other demonstrative adjectives, but I've gone so far overboard I think I made myself sick.

Surely ots, you jest? Do you think he stopped by New Orleans just to see the show?

When Christ makes his appearance no one will have to make an introduction. His own will know him, the world will recognize him as Lord.

Some more Smithisms. How boring your chatter has become.

onthestreet said...

MUGGY SAYS (9/07/2005 9:22 PM): "The world will recognize him as Lord".

THE LORD SAYS:

THE WORLD WORSHIPS THE DRAGON AND THE BEAST, WHO IS THOUGHT INVINCIBLE. Revelation 13:4 - THE WHOLE EARTH followed the animal (the Beast from the Sea).
www.ccel.org/bible/phillips/CPn27Revelation2.htm

Notes on Revelation - chapter 20
20:8 {16} And shall go out to DECEIVE THE NATIONS which are in the four quarters of the earth, to DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD...
www.reformed.org/documents/ geneva/rev_chapters/revelation_20.html

End Time Delusion - Antichrist and Aliens Matt 24:24 False Christs ...
This is the End Time Delusion, which would deceive even the elect and will lead...it has been decreed, they shall bind you for all the days of the world. ...
www.mt.net/~watcher/endtimedelusion.html

Revelation Chapter 20 Explained. The loosing of Satan, or the dragon, ...to milder methods in order the better to "deceive" the people, as we shall see ...
www.renealegre.net/Week1/revelation20a.htm

A Bible Prophecy Study on Satan being cast down. Satan, which DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD and accused the brethren day and night. This term "red dragon" is used only in the Revelation denoting Satan. ...
www.parentalguide.com/Documents/ Bible_Prophecy/Satan_cast_down.htm

onthestreet said...

SEE THE LIES AND THE DECEPTIONS?

onthestreet said...

MUGGY SAYS (9/07/2005 9:22 PM): When Christ makes his appearance no one will have to make an introduction. His own will know him, the world will recognize him as Lord. Some more Smithisms. How boring your chatter has become.

We're going to feel first the greatest effects of this coming of the glory of God. The presence of God coming upon this earth is beginning to affect us. As the presence of God comes, other people are going to try to disturb us. By that I mean, they don't know God. They don't know that God is literally coming. They don't know that God's kingdom is here. They don't want to believe it if we tell them. They say, "you're crazy, impossible."

We know it's true. Jesus Christ is returning. And when He returns He's going to have a church without spot or wrinkle, a church that's being perfected by the powers of evil that are upon the earth as these tests and trials come upon us, and it's going to get much worse. It's going to get much worse than what it is. I mean the tribulations are going to increase, as God's presence comes closer upon the earth, "until the very consumption decreed upon all nations."

A SOLEMN PROPHETIC WARNING
By STANLEY FRODSHAM
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Great darkness is coming upon the countries that have heard My gospel but no longer walk in it. My wrath shall be manifested against all ungodliness. It shall come with great intensity. My judgments are literal, and not a thing to be lightly passed over.

Before I visit the nations in judgment, I will begin at My house. When I do cause My wrath to come upon the cities of the world, My people shall be separate. I desire a people without spot or wrinkle, and such shall be preserved by Me in the time of My wrath coming upon all iniquity [lawlessness] and unrighteousness...(MUCH MORE).

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onthestreet said...

An extensive introduction is required to prepare his audience for his ...
www.amprpress.com/the_kjv_defended.htm

How much MORE in heavenly things.
There are many gates with their associated laws and ordinances, each one AN INTRODUCTION to the next. I know, there's ALOT you don't know.

ATAR_i said...

OTS, I gotta tell you, the things you know, aren't very much worth knowing. And I'll count myself lucky my mind isn't so muddled.

But, having said that, just because I don't want to know what YOU know - doesn't mean I don't want to know the goodness of God, the Bible, God's tender mercies, his loving kindness his gentle touch.

Those, are things worth knowing and I prefer to learn them from the source.

So, I'll pass on knowing what's in your brain.

mugwump said...

The whole point is the exclusiveness of your concept of heaven. According to your own posts you make the presumption that Heaven is a pretty small place, mansions for only few people. Only those who absolutely are in acord with your warped beliefs.

Why did Jesus die to pay the SIN price for mankind if, as you declare repeatedly, Heaven is an exclusive domicile for the FLDS.

If you think for a minute that the fellow Christians with whom I worship, worship the dragon, you don't have a clue as to what your are talking about.

We are saved, or lost, as individuals. I've told you why, I've told you how. You just choose to follow your own sodomizing prophet.

ATAR_i said...

Yes, so true Muggy, I realized a long time ago God wasn't just coming for the people in my church (much as some pastors wanted to believe they had a corner on that market). There are people following God all over, in all denominations.

I don't think we see things the way God sees them, I know we don't. We don't have Gods heart (we try), nor his judgement (again we try). How in the world could we ever know what he will do - and whom he will save. The criminal on the cross is enjoying paradise, saved just prior to the end of his life.

I believe God included that scripture, just to illustrate his heart for man.

mugwump said...

I believe that my sins were nailed to that cross in the person of Jesus, the Christ. He alone is worthy. There are individuals in most churches who have overcome the doctrinal jargon and read and studied for themselves and discovered the truth of the Bible. They don't need ecclesiastial absolution to know the forgiveness of Christ.

onthestreet said...

mugwump said (9/08/2005 11:10 AM): The whole point is the exclusiveness of your concept of heaven. Hey Muggs, there are many. But as for the highest, Jesus said it is just that, exclusive! "FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT". No, not mansions for only a few, for there are "many mansions". But for the highest, it is only for those who abide the law of that kingdom, which he showed to Abraham, and which Jesus showed and practiced in Jerusalem. He is called "the groom" at the marriage in Cana, and performed with precision the place of husband to plural wives in the case of Mary and Martha, in setting forth their place in the home, with a host of women who surrounded him. So, is he a tyrant, a sodomizer, and all that you label his Servant with. You only label your Redeemer with like crimes.

Mugs said: "If you think for a minute that the fellow Christians with whom I worship, worship the dragon..." Your fellow Christians are of the world, and Jesus said: "The dragon shall deceive THE WHOLE WORLD." Now, you label your Redeemer as a liar also. Then you say: "We are saved, or lost, as individuals." Finally, the truth comes out. You are saved (in the lowest kingdom of glory), but lost to the highest. That was well put, my friend.

Tar (9/08/2005 3:12 PM): There you go, girl. That was well put. People all over are proclaiming God, but like you just said: " I don't think we see things the way God sees them, I know we don't. WE DON'T HAVE GOD'S HEART (we try), nor his judgement (again we try)". See Tar, true saints see things "eye to eye", as God sees, and are "after God's own heart". WE CLAIM, AND YOU DISCLAIM such blessings.

Isaiah 52:8. Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD shall bring again Zion.

Acts 2:40. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

mugwump said...

And your concept is not found anywhere but in the works of JS and his followers.

THAT AIN'T PROOF. IT'S A LIE.

onthestreet said...

mugwump said(9/08/2005 11:10 AM): The whole point is the EXCLUSIVENESS of your concept of heaven.

But as for the highest, Jesus said it is just that, exclusive! "FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT"

(Mat 7:14) "Because strait is the gate, and narrow the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it".

You say it's "Not found anywhere." You call the Bible "Nowhere", and "Nothing"? There's the exclusivity concept RIGHT THERE: "FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT"!

Such poverty of soul, the blind leading the blind. I hope that helps you a little, unless you are beyond help. Then, all may know.

onthestreet said...

You just called your own Bible A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ATAR_i said...

You can pretend you see like God - but it's just arrogance.

mugwump said...

ots the out of context kid. Knower of all things, master of none. Has nimble mind given to perversion and self-worship.

onthestreet said...

Yes, I do think out of the box. If I weren't Jack be Nimble, Jack be quick, I couldn't jump over the candlestick. "To thine own "self" be true, and what is "self"? It is the truth, reality, and beauty of all things united in one, which is God in us. Few there be that find it.

mugwump said...

Learn the difference between Shakespeare and the Bible.

onthestreet said...

The concepts of self and truth are quite biblical. So is the candlestick.

Hey, which Bible are you reading, the actor's bible of bloopers and dillusions?

onthestreet said...

It is a very poor act you're putting on.

mugwump said...

Maybe so, but your quote was not from the Bible.

I'll let others judge the quality of my coments.

onthestreet said...

All fairtails are allegory of holy script.

mugwump said...

"fairtails"? New word? Source?

No allegory in parables. Those are heavenly inspired stories with an earthly application. i.e. examples of forgivness, charity, judgement, love, compassion etc.