Monday, July 11, 2005

Multiply and Replenish the Earth

Here's a Post for those who would like to discuss this topic.

70 comments:

Anonymous said...

Replenish the earth with what?

Fried Female said...

I vote for sanity. Short of that, I'd settle for chocolate.

Anonymous said...

Get a room!

Anonymous said...

Sanity without religious bigotry would be a good start.

Anonymous said...

Ya know I have pondered this before that replenish word would indicate that it was plenished before wouldn’t it?? Interesting thought I wonder what happened to those who plenished it before.

Quietman

ATAR_i said...

hmmmmmmmm

Anonymous said...

okay, I'll bite. I'm not FLDS, so my multiplying and replenishing probably don't interest ya. Same guy is there every night and we're having the same sex. Thank heavens I'm not a woman lying there listening to him with someone else. That right there kills being a polyg for me. I don't care what Joe Smith or God or anybody else says, that emotionally kills you!!!

Anonymous said...

Quietman:

I hope this isn't too boring, its not about sex. I don't remember some of the details so I'll take "story license", that is, why tell a story if you can't add a little to it.

When I grew up in CC we were taught that when the Nephites lived on the North American continent there were so many people that they cut down all the trees (somewhere in BofM, 3rd Nephi...maybe). Thats right, so many people that they used up all the trees! This was right around the time of Christ, only 2K years ago. The Nephites (good guys) had a big fight with the Lamenites (bad guys). The good guys were all killed except a few who ran down to the land mass that used to be in the Gulf of Mexico. When the bad guys chased after them, the whole big chunk of land blasted off up into the air and into outer space where it still floats around today. They are known as the Lost Tribes of Israel and are waiting for the Second Coming, at which time they will plunk right back down into the Gulf. When this happens they will go straight to the prophet (now Warren) and will recongnize him as the Earth's Leader. Maybe that's why he moved to Texas, to get closer to the Gulf.

After the Lost Tribes had pried the Gulf Land loose and got it up into Space, there was one skinny guy left named Moroni, or maybe Mormon, who wrote down all the history that he remembered on gold plates and dragged them up to a small hill and buried them.

You know this is all true because we have the Lamenites (American Indian) still living right on this continent today. It doesn't matter if there aren't any remains or artifacts left, God destroyed it all just to trip up people like me. Amazing!

So now you know the beginning of the story, why they need to replentish the earth instead of only plentishing it.

Wait a minute...plentish...plentishing....replentish..plenish..plennish....replennish? These just don't look right. I'm going to look them up to see if they are even real words.

1 minute later: There are a lot of words in my College Websters, but not these, so they can't be real words. I guess I am at a loss as to what the replentishers were actually going to do. I have a good idea of what the multipliers were going to do, but after you get done trying to multiply then you have to replentish. Hmmm, maybe it means "light up a smoke".

LTG

Anonymous said...

okay...that was weird. May have to post this again t'morrow, buy hear goes. Every religions has "rules" that govern life, includen' sex. My religions (jewish) says no sex with a woman during her perido (cause she'd unclean) no birth control, etc what are the rules of yours? I know in the main MOrmon church thet used (20 yrs ago) to ask aobut oral sex before you could get a temple recommend. Same for flds?

Missionary position only? Birth control? Do women get very involved in the act- fancy underwear, scents, canles, etc?

Every religions has go these rules, why do we need'um?

Anonymous said...

The only rules we have is to keep it be tween a man and his wife. We don't believe in porn. Is that so weard. I can't speak for Warrens group.

onthestreet said...

NOTHING OF REDEEMING VALUE HERE.

Anonymous said...

...but you still felt compelled to speak?

onthestreet said...

Yes, you are all SO compelling.

Anonymous said...

street; you should end all your posts with "Nothing of redeeming value here".That should even be your new ID.

Anonymous said...

I'll agree with that. 7/12 6:23.
Name

HardHeaded said...

LTG,

I enjoyed your' narrative but you related the history wrong. Or at least that isn't the way my dad (father) told it. The ten tribes were taken from the earth way back in Biblical times because they were so f****ing righteous. I don't think it says it anywhere in the BOM, does it?

Seventeenth Son said...

Father had 71 kids,Not one was from a "Turkey Baster"

Anonymous said...

No Birth control (as far back as I can remember)

No sex while pregnant, you will wilt the seed of the tree of life.( WJ new doctrine) Teaching the child to be immoral before even born.
No sex while nursing, more of the same. (WJ new teaching)
No children sleeping in your room, something about poluting their minds. (WJ)
Not a year will go by with out a child being born into the new and everlasting covenant of marriage. That means one a year if you are a single wife(I would want a sister wife too, if I had to do that)
this was back in the days of the "priesthood" in hiding, some still practice it.

ATAR_i said...

Hmmmm, warrens mother and father must have polluted his mind (perhaps he blames them, and is looking for an explanation for his polluted mind).

Anonymous said...

Atari,WSJ's Mom,Marilyn was Rulons
favorite spouse.Most of the larger
plural families had/have a favorite
spouse.
Anon.7;54pm You are telling Joseph Musser's concepts.Very few practice
such extremes today.

Anonymous said...

Warren nay have said all that , but my hsuband was visitin' me more oftn when I was pregers or nursin' He couln't get me pregnt again, so the sex was without concequence.

ATAR_i said...

Now that....is a normal, natural man, the way God created him.

Anonymous said...

Warren has his "favorites"too he visits "Lori" more often he would like known."Lori Steed.not "the other Lori".Can anyone show a polygamist male who has no "most favored wife".I certainly doubt it.

youngestwife said...

I must be my husbands favorite wife
because I feel very loved.
But that's what they all say.

Anonymous said...

I think you will find that Mother Marilyn may have alot more influence on what Warren Jeffs is doing, than people would ever give her credit for. She herself is a lovely strange nut.

Anonymous said...

i thought that Warrens favorite wife was Mille Jessop (u. Merrils) I heard a story about her doing a dance at a program and Warren called her up and told her that she was to be married and to bring her dance costume.

rumor-has-it said...

It is actually a guilt trip. You know what the rules are, but because no one knows what happens but you and him, you bend the rules. Then when the wife gets tired of it all, the man gets hauled before Warren and gets kicked out for being EVIL. Seems like the women are at fault too.

Anonymous said...

Yall need to think back a little further this replenish command was given to Adam and Eve so if they were the first why the need to REplenish

quietman

Anonymous said...

Mother Marilyn?Ouch!What a nutcase!Is she still alive?

Anonymous said...

Anon 8;35pm,You have got your Mussers confused.It was Guy Musser
who taught no sex during pregnancy,not Joseph.Joseph Musser taught husbands and wives should love one another.Warren and Guy are very similar to each other.

Anonymous said...

Hardheaded:

Thats why I put the "story" disclaimer at the very first.

LTG

ATAR_i said...

Very interesting stuff. Thanks Rumor too.

The Mussers keep being brought up - anyone have some history on them? Seems like they had some 'way out there' ideas.

Also, Marilyn, how old? Is she still alive? Is she married to her son now? Don't get all disgusted, he did marry some of his mothers it's a reasonable question.

And about Lori and the Merrill girl - do they tell others, or do the other wives tell others about the favoritism?

Anonymous said...

Atari Guy Musser was out there for sure.His family lived in a very secluded,very secretive manner in SLC.Many,many doctrines and bizarre
ideas about sex attributted to Warren,first saw daylight in Guys compound.Guy once boasted that any girl who married him,might not see her family again for decades.His wives and daughters lived almost like a Moslem harem,entirely cut off from society at large.Joseph Musser was not so bizarre.Joseph taught that no man could or should live with a wife,physically without loving her.Joseph Musser was also against place-ment marriage,he taught couples monogamous or polygamous should marry for love,and of their own free choice.Uncle Rulon and Guy and the other Apostles called Joseph Musser "senile and apostate"for such liberal views.They virtually edited him out
of FLDS history.He died a broken old man.

fttc said...

At the risk of starting some sibling bickerings I post this. But for the enlightenment of Atar it is.

Guy Musser lived a very private family life. Even among his priesthood brethren. This has been the cause of a lot of speculation concerning his family. Perhaps he was extreme in some of his views. Who isn't in one respect or another. My point is very few people actually know what went on at his home. I am not old enough to remember much about him. My father has told me he talked to Guy about some of the things he was accused of and he denied he had taught them. Specifically some of the teachings on restrictive spousal relations.

Guy's father was considered one of the successive leaders that kept alive the "principle". In his later life he had several strokes much the same as Rulon Jeffs did. His final days were spent much the same way. The opportunists and all. Our group was split at that time also.

I am guessing the post referring to him above (9:23) came from one of that group as the views there are sympathetic to them. Just as mine are to our group.

Joseph Musser printed a magaazine called Truth before his strokes. It mostly consisted of reprints of fundamentalist doctrine from the Joseph Smith/Brigham Young era with an editorial page in each monthly issue. This was later bound into volumes and most of what is there constitutes our faith and beliefs. At least until Warren. He has turned most of these things on thier head.

Post above is correct in stating that Joseph Musser got a bad rap from Barlow/Warrenites. He was somehow a threat to them apparently.

As for placement marriage I think if Joseph taught against it he must have done so after his stroke as I haven't seen it in the Truth books. I do know a few members of the break-off group mentioned and at least some of them do not believe in it.

I may be starting a big debate here that needs its own thread. I guess we will see.

ATAR_i said...

How was Musser related to your group? Was he part of the 'first ward' under Jeffs, or was he the head or part of another ward?

And what era are we talking about - Did Guy die, if so when? I mean is he from the 50's or the 70's?

Thanks for the information - it's interesting. I'm guessing a book of those Truth pamphlets would be a really interesting read.

Anonymous said...

Atari,Joseph Musser Sr,was the prophet before Leroy Johnson.There was no first-ward-second ward during his time.Joseph Musser died in the early 1950's.Guy Musser died in July of 1983.Just prior to the second-ward split from the Barlow/Jeffs side.Most of the Musser family descendants are now affiliated with the Naylor Group.Not First-ward{Jeffs group}or 2nd Ward{Centennial Park group}Fttc.can correct this if I am mistaken.

Anonymous said...

To the one who seems so knowledgeable about Warren's wives: Who is "Lori Steed?" I have never heard of her and I thought I knew them all. And who is the "other Lori"? I don't know of any of his wives who are named Lori. Is that short for something else? Because Uncle Rulon's wife Loretta married someone else, not Warren. Please clarify.

Anonymous said...

Lori Steed is Lawrence Steed's daughter.She is very tall, Has dark hair, dark eyes, and is very beautiful.She is one of the few who actually have children.

ATAR_i said...

Anon "actually have children"

I thought warren had lots of children.

Can you explain.

Anonymous said...

Most of Warrens "Children"are really step-kids to WSJ.kids whose moms are re-married to WSJ.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe Warren has married women with children except one of John Barlow's wives after he died. She was/is a really special person. And Warren knew it. She attended Alta Academy.

I think he is preparing his wives to raise the kids being taken from the creek. SCARY, if you ask me.

What could a relative of these children do legally if they start disappearing? I don't want that to happen to them.

Anonymous said...

You dont know what your talking about.Warren has over 20plus stepchildren from ex-barlow wives
alone.

Anonymous said...

Really? WOW! I stand corrected.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone list Warren Jeffs wives?
I know that: Naomi Jessop,(Merril Jessops)
Michelle Barlow, (Art Barlow's)
Melinda Johnson (LaMar's)
Brenda Jessop (Merril's)
Gloria Barlow (Alma's) hasn't been worthy to have children since 8 years ago.
Jenny Wall (Lloyd Wall)
Mary Fischer (Erwin Fischer)
Millie Jessop (Merril's)
Samantha? Johnson (Ken Johnson)
Tiffany? Johnson (Leon Johnson)
Six of Joseph Steeds girls.
I really don't remember that names that well. And I didn't know that family at all. It was like once your classmates married, you never saw them except at church, and at that I never got close enough to say Hi!

ATAR_i said...

OK, let me get this picture. warren wants the women, and lots of them, but he's not exactly around, and his attraction to women is in question.

He marries women who have children already and is importing the children of others, for his wives to raise.

I think you can push people so far, I wonder if this one just might make them snap (at least a few).

Anonymous said...

Your deductions sound like a Spectrum (St. George newspaper) article. Take some info and make into a story any way you can.

Anonymous said...

The way I heard it, warren wouldn't have a used wife. He only has two, one that he knew of before he married her. The one he knew was the Holm girl who his father married to the Barlow guy, who died in the airplane crash. The other one he didn't find out till after he was married to her. One of Merrill's girls. When he found out, the boy who had done it, now married with two kids, was stripped of his family. But that was before the days of instant kickouts so he was still around town when the Rohbock girl was told that only blood atonement was left for her. When the FBI made an investigation, she was suddenly married to this guy who had been with warren's wife. Two of a kind, only fit for each other and only for life.
I think they have done farely well together. Hope if they ever get called to Texas, they DON'T GO.

Anonymous said...

Not Merril's but Alma's.

Anonymous said...

Atar_i, I think that many women (and others) snap. But they figure out how to do it and still stay in (kinda like Ruth) - prosac, introversion, etc.

ATAR_i said...

9:03 - I can't follow you - can you re explain it. If I knew the players it might be easier - but I'm don't want to get it wrong - and hope you can explain again - being really clear.

Anonymous said...

4:17 It's Shannon Johnson

Anonymous said...

Michele Barlow Jeffs is supposed to have run away and left Warren.She was seen earlier this year in Hurricane Utah,and later showed up among the Naylor break-away group in Georgia.Can this lady be found?Could she be persuaded to testify against Warren?Was she underage?That Warren abused her mentally seems likely.Did he abuse her physically as well?How can the Georgia spin-off group be contacted?Anyone have any ideas?

ATAR_i said...

Ohhhhh, I see. Excellent idea - I bet she is scared to death. That poor girl - give her our sympathies if you know her, but let her know she now has POWER.

Anonymous said...

She needs to be in a Witness Protection Program.

Anonymous said...

If Michele has really fled,she is probably safer hiding out with the
Naylors in Georgia or Tennesee,She would likely be in serious danger anywhere with a large Warrenite population.i.e.Texas,Utah,or Canada.The Naylors are very secretive, but are not thought to be dangerous.

Anonymous said...

Ora Steed fled with her twin boys too.

onthestreet said...

THIS ALL REMINDS ME OF THE SONG:

THE LORD KNOWS I'M DRINKING
Recorded by Cal Smith
Words and music by Bill Anderson

Hello Mrs. Johnson, you self-righteous woman, Sunday School teacher, what brings you out slummin'? Do you reckon the preacher would approve where you are, Standin' here, vis'tin' with a back-slidin'christian, In a neighborhood bar.

ATAR_i said...

Such filth, I wouldn't think you would have listened to secular radio given how holy and righteous you proclaim to be - would that be one of warren's hymns then?

onthestreet said...

Oh, us country foke loved country.

onthestreet said...

God, country, and corps.

ATAR_i said...

OH, so secular is OK sometimes - just only when you say it is. Hmmmm, I see a hypocritical double standard.

HardHeaded said...

That must have been your' downfall street -country music-.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Michele Barlow Jeffs is supposed to have run away and left Warren.She was seen earlier this year in Hurricane Utah,and later showed up among the Naylor break-away group in Georgia.Can this lady be found?Could she be persuaded to testify against Warren?Was she underage?That Warren abused her mentally seems likely.Did he abuse her physically as well?How can the Georgia spin-off group be contacted?Anyone have any ideas?

7/13/2005 11:30 PM

Ask Winston Blackmore

Anonymous said...

The whole Musser thing was an encroachment of fanaticism on a religion that was trying to live a simple, peaceful gospel. Uncle Roy made great strides in putting it aside and moving on. Warren made great strides in bringing it back new and improved (and extremely sick and creepy).

onthestreet said...

You people dwell so much on "sick and creepy," no wonder there is such an epidemic of sickness and creepiness in American CULT (ture).

ATAR_i said...

OTS - think you gotta large timber in your eye - better take that out.

onthestreet said...

Yah, I've got plenty of timber.

ATAR_i said...

I noticed, I was just being polite.

Anonymous said...

Warren has married at least 5 girls from Canada.

onthestreet said...

There will be as many as the sands on the seashore.