Thursday, June 30, 2005

People and Places #2

People and Places Post #2
This area is specifically for people looking for informationon the people from Short Creek, YFZ, and Bountiful (hopefully I haven't left anyone out). Many people are trying to share information aboutfriends and family that they have lost touch with.
Please help them and keep this post for this purpose.

97 comments:

Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me how Caress Holm Barlow is doing? We used to work at CMC together.

rumor-has-it said...

In 1953 or thereabouts, Theral Dockstader, Vergel Jessop, David Darger and Lawrence Stubbs served prison time together for living plural marriage. I am looking for children or grand children of this David Darger

Inside_Out said...

I think he may have a son Richard Darger who lives in Herriman UT. Is David Darger Ron Darger's Father? I do know that Richard is Ron's little brother. I heard that Richard was having some health issues.

Anonymous said...

OK has anyone heard how Suzanna Palmer/Blackmore is doing? She is married to Spencer Blackmore. She recently had a baby and Spencer hasn't cared to come see her and the baby. Is Spencer in Zion? Where he's only allowed to care for his prophet?

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Anonymous said...

I've heard of the new bishop at CC, a William (Willie) Timpson. Some court documents list him as (aka Jessop). Who is he and why did he change his last name?

Anonymous said...

Jessop last name is one of the Chosen Names. Jessops, Allreds, Steeds, and Jeffs.

But Willie I hear is no longer the bishop. Got demoted? Maybe he will be shipped off to Texas.

Anonymous said...

William Timpson, the want-a-be bishop, is the son of President Alma Timpson. His past makes him not as holy as one would think.

onthestreet said...

Every FLDS critic is a wannabe acting like a wallaby, or some other beast of the lower kingdom. Such is their nature.

Anonymous said...

So why do some refer to William Timpson as William Jessop?

Anonymous said...

HHEEEEELLLLLLOOOOO!!
his "Mother" married Fred M. Jessop
The previous bisop.
ANd he took his new father's name.

Thanks for letting me share :)

Anonymous said...

william timpson is only half jessop his mom is kathy jessop here father is edson jessop but william is still a timpson with what he has done he is not good enoff to take on the jessop name he married some of uncle freds wifes before he passed on so please dont call him a jessop ok

Anonymous said...

And just how do you know that he married some of Uncle Fred's wives before Uncle Fred died? That was all rumor unless you have first hand knowledge that it's true. Honestly, I think Uncle Fred's wives had more love and respect for him than that.

Anonymous said...

respect that is a word that is not in the vocabulary of the women in the flds if warren till the women to leave there husband they do it you said it is a rummer well it is all so true that fred lindsay was kicked out becouse that he would not take some of uncle freds wifes before he died he told warren no becouse he had RESPECT for uncle fred the people in the flds church dont even comeing close to knowing the true meaning of the word RESPECT

Anonymous said...

I believe William Timpson name change is a recent development.
Correct assumption or not?

Anonymous said...

i was worndering were fred lindsay is now

Anonymous said...

Yeah what has become of Fred Lindsay and Don Holm? they are both good friends of mine

Anonymous said...

don holm lives in st george ut he is welding he has roland barlow and his dad working for him but i still would like to know about ferd lindsay

Anonymous said...

could any one tell me how any were albert counsil is heis a good friend

Anonymous said...

what is the status of the petersen family

also, are they related to the peteresen polygamous clan in LAs Vegas?

Anonymous said...

Albert Council lives in Las Vegas. He drives his own big truck he is doing really well.

Anonymous said...

What happened to Doug Cooke. I was there when Warren and Leroy Jeffs told Uncle Winston to tell Doug to gather up his family and go away. Did Uncle Winston tell him to go away? If so where did he go?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have a map of Hildale/Colorado City that has more than streets, i.e. store locations, landmarks, cemetaries, parks, etc? (one from before things started to disappear...) If so, please post a link or send to toastyreward@yahoo.com

Thanks, interested in seeing the town and I'm not sure what's all there. Any of the old landmarks changed in the last few years?

anonymous said...

I'm looking for info on Mac Blackmore's girls married to Warren.

Faithful Woman said...

Willy Timpson vs. Willy Jessop

To add another complication to the Willy soup, there is another Willy Jessop, about the same age, son of Glade Jessop. This is big Willy, the concealed weapon toting, big bellied, loud mouthed, self apointed body guard, you get the picture. Like he is a Sam Barlow wana be.

I went to school with Willy T. Er, I was a freshman in highschool while he was a senior. I thought he was a nice kid, at least nicer than his siblings. I also worked with him at Uncle Fred's house, before he got married, or him Mother married Uncle Fred for that matter. I still thought he was a nice kid, and the little girls there had a crush on him. Some where between getting married and becoming the new biship, he turned into a real jerk. He is the reason our utilities were turned off. And the only comment he had to make was that it wan't crule for a man to take his family out camping. Likening our utilities being cut off to going camping for the weekend.
Of course that didn't last long.... (snort), he expected us to just bow down and take it!

Oh yeah, at the town hall meeting there was a big arial picture of the town, but it isn't likely that it would get posted any time soon.

Anonymous said...

I absolutely agree, New Kid on the Blog. I think that a lot of people are starting to take a lot of what Ross and Lori say with a pillar of salt. They're starting to be put in the same pile as Deb, Flora and others.

Faithful Woman said...

We don't go begging the media to do interviews, they plague us. The folks are just wanting to hear some fresh voices and see some new faces. I don't see you taking any of the heat.

You have no idea of the real story. Lets start with good upstanding saints that pay all the bills that have invoices but consider a debt to a brother just a donation of their part. Don't have to pay them. Ross has done more than you will ever realize.

And when it come to a judge of character, where is your wife? Did she love you enough to stick with you, be faithful to you? Or is she "married" to some one else? Sorry to bring up such hard facts, but you asked for it.

And while we are at it, what is your name, I'm sure I could dig up some of your dirt too. After there was a "reason" that you were kicked out wasn't there?

Now if there is a particular gripe you have that needs attention, come face to face with us and we will work it out with you. It may take some time since we are still trying to get to our feet in this new world of reality, but be patient and all good things will come. After all, as the saying goes, we would rather owe you all of our lives than cheet you out of it.

Faithful Woman said...

If I seem too frank for you poor, sensitive kick outs, it is because I am tired of tippy-toing around and not getting and answers.

I don't like to be vindictive and call names, but I do like to say it as I see that it is.

Anonymous said...

Is there an "unoffcial" map of the towm anywhere. I'm just trying to figure out the layout of the town, i.e. parks, cemetaries, stores, etc. Everything I've found is a roap map, not landmarks. I am trying to picture what's there as I haven't been there in many, many years. What business properties are currently UEP?

TR

Faithful Woman said...

Don't have a map, but what landmarks are you looking for?

Anonymous said...

faithful,

Thanks for the reply. If I had never been to CC, what would I find there, where is the gas station in relation to the store, the park, cemetary, etc. I am tryin' to visualize where you'all live. What live is like in the town. What are landmarks that only a local would know?

Faithful Woman said...

The first exit into town goes along Utah Avenue, past the big bricked in compound, and on down to the end of the road where it turns up another road into the canyons. Some really beautiful hiking up there.

There is a gas station on the highway at the border between Utah and Arizona, but it too has fallen prey to warren, and it was his brother who ran it.

At the station is another entrance into town.
East goes out to the industrial park and a turn off to the public school. A really nice, top of the line school building, but somehow it seems it still cost more than it is worth.
West goes into town, past the Dairy store where the coveted squeeky cheese is sold, along with the raw milk-delicious! And other assorted items.

On down Arizona Avenue takes you to the three way intersection and creek crossing onto Central Street.
South takes you past the center of town, the Danco mini mall, the working gas station, a carpet & electronics store, the post office, the general grocery store, Police station, fire department, thrift store, and on down past the community college and aout to the highway again.

There is also a produce store and bulk food store along Richard street and, um, I forget the name of it, but it runs east and west, connecting Richard and Central. Along there are a bunch of store house buildings, the trailer park, a clothing and fabric store, dry cleaners, etc.

Most of the businesses are on this Central street or Utah Avenue, and on out into the industrial park. The rest is mostly residential, with a few "public" buildings and parks scattered throughout.

Now before some one gets critical of my description, give us one of your own.

onthestreet said...

How duall like all the streets.

onthestreet said...

Your description was rather scewed. Try again. There are errors in it, unless East is West, and West is East. It seems that West is to the Industrial Park, and East is into town. There are other gross errors as well. It is a haystack. See if you can find the needle.

Faithful Woman said...

Sure enough, I made a mistake in East/West directions. Thank you for noticing.

Now where is your description?

onthestreet said...

Indescribable.

Faithful Woman said...

You mean that you are afraid of making a mistake too and having to own up to it?

onthestreet said...

The needle is no mistake.

Anonymous said...

hay how about leving lorie and ross alone you know at least they have the guts to stand up to warren jeffs and brother lyle jeffs and willam t all the reast of you read necks dont have a back bone you only wish you could all you warren nites are to sceard to do any thing i see them all the time but they dont look happy maby they are scard of when it is there time so they have to make ross an lorie look bad KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ROSS AND LORIE

onthestreet said...

Right! You all just do the best you can. Angels can do no better. If what you do is not of Celestial quality, then you'll have to deal with that.

Anonymous said...

That is one nice public school. What's the tall building to the North of it?

Anonymous said...

I think you're speaking of the Tech Lab. It's for Woodworking, Shop, Art etc. Mostly for the highschool. I think it also serves as a maintenace area for the busses. I know some of the FLDS staff have offices up there. I hope you got a tour. It really is a nice school.

Anonymous said...

i would like to ask all the flds women how that they can beleve that when god put you togeather wiht your partner that you can deside that they are not good any more how do you think god well look up on you in the next life when god asked if you did all you could do to keep your family togeather i only hope that all of you can live with your self when you find out that warren has no use for any of you or the men in short creek all he wants is your money and your girls yong girl to what he calls marrage how many wife dose he need to take care of his plesure oh i know you all well tell me that it is a lye but prove me roung all warren wants is power money and sex and that is all nothen else he try to make it look like he is given them more than any other prophets in all the world but he has only given a cult that he has lyle jeffs make sure that all obay warren

Anonymous said...

About Doug Cooke. he is alive and well, and living in St. Gorge his son D.C. just got married and I saw Doug at the wedding.

Anonymous said...

how is Leanne Keate..Johnson ...doing? where is she...?????

onthestreet said...

How's yourselves. Just find your SELF, and you will do well.

Anonymous said...

I already found me and I am doing just fine.

Anonymous said...

OnTheStreet,How is your ole buddy Warren?How bout your ole sis Kathleen?C'mon Street?Ole Buddy?

Faithful Woman said...

Hey, remember "the Messenger"?

Turns out the kids were told to quit posting.

GBNF said...

Streety,
Who did they marry Kathleen to after you lost her? Didn't you say, awhile back on the Canadian blog, that you had lusted after your wife and had to be corrected? Or am I blurring all the messages together?

Anonymous said...

Does any one know what happened to Joe Barlow's, Dan Barlow, Nephi Barlow's wives and children? I miss them dearly.

onthestreet said...

You ain't kidding. One big blurrrr.
Now, about this "Kathleen", you've gabbed enough gbnf. For weeks, you can't seem to let her go. What is it with you and her, my child?

ATAR_i said...

Who was Kathleen married to?

Anonymous said...

Kathleen =OTS's,one true love
David Allred =Warren's pimp
Warren=MacDaddy Big Boss.Wive thief
and Onthe streets Diety.Get the picture?

Anonymous said...

Poor Kathleen,such a great lady,She deserved so much better.

ATAR_i said...

yeah - but who was she married to (real name)?

Anonymous said...

Atari, I think Kathleens idendity is her private business,and YOU SHOULD respect Kathleens Private Life.Despitenot what Lori and some others tell you,No one in Colorado City is under a supeona.Besides,Warren that is.Kathleen is a very nice,shy private lady.AND until she comes forward,and tells her own story,LEAVE her ALONE!Would you want embarassing details of your own past posted all over the Blog.?If so please give Kathleen the same priviledge.Thank You ATARI.

Anonymous said...

Re 7/6 @ 11:43--

SHHEEEEESSSHHHH!! If it weren't for the diametric opposite opinions and the lack of capital letters, I would think that Ruth had suddenly switched sides! Got a rant? Here's yer sign!

Anonymous said...

. . .and no punctuation necessary, either, for those of you who never actually took English in school.

feralfem said...

And furthermore, if OTS is who you think he is, and where you think he is, why don't you go find him and talk to him in person. That would be the responsible adult thing to do. It sounds like your issues ought to be addressed between the TWO of you.

ATAR_i said...

I wasnt' asking about Kathleen - I was asking who *her husband* is (meaning street).

I don't have any interest in knowing about her current marriage (if she is), children, or anything about her prior marriages (if she had any). I am not interested in ANY information on Kathleen. Someone mentioned she was married to OTS - so I asked who HE was.

I am suprised at the amount of enthusiasm regarding my harmless request - *who is OTS?* - Many people have wondered that same thing. I have no idea who Kathleen is I didn't bring her up. You might want to consider directing your anger in the direction of the person who is ACTUALLY wanting to talk about her. I make an easy target - but you totally MISS the mark when you shoot my direction.

Faithful Woman said...

I say leave Kathleen out of this too. It is some anon poster who keeps dragging her name up and being almost as repulsive as street himself. I agree, atari, there is a super high creep factor there. No excuses.

feralfem said...

atar_i
I do hope your comments are in response to anonymous: 7/08/2005 1:53 PM

For clarification, if needed, my rant was in no way directed at you... more to gbnf and/or anonymous others? who don't seem to know how to behave in the sandbox - something YOU are excellent at.

For the record, I too wonder who OTS is - s/he could be someone in my family - but I won't stoop to baiting or veiled accusations and neither have you.

OTS is a grownup who is choosing to address his/her life and circumstances quite differently than you or I. S/he is free to do that.

Namaste

ATAR_i said...

Thanks feral

How did you come to choose the Hindu salutation - from yoga or something else?

feralfem said...

Yes, from yoga. I'm currently not taking classes, but while I did, the instructor ended every session with the entire class in unison offering the slight bow and "Namaste" I really like its meaning, "I honor the Spirit in you which is also in me."
I think Deepak Chopra defined it a little differently, "I recognize that we are all equal."

ATAR_i said...

Hmmmm, I like that.

Sixteenth Son said...

Atari:I want apologize to you for the rudeness of certain posts on this thread.I certainly did'nt read
anything you wrote as derogatory or insulting to "Kathleen"I wish childish pranksters would stay off the blog. or at least leave the mentally incompetant"ie.Street" alone.Some little dough-head of a fool has figured out that mentioning "Kathleen" pushes Streets buttons.In my opinion this individual is no better or maybe worse than Street himself.

Sixteenth Son said...

Anon:1:53pm has Ruth written all over it.Spelling mistakes,inncorrect assumptions et.al.I am one of the "Lost Lads" asking for FTTC.,Atari,and New Kids help,We need some ladies who write clear,concise,and accurattly with good facility.I will get in touch,with all of you later.Thank you all so much,for offering to help in advance.We'll be in touch to explain our intentions.Thank You All.
Sixteenth Son.

GBNF said...

Feralfem said,
"Weren't you brought up better than that?"
Hmmm, ya, I was raised in CC, by polygamist parents, with polygamist neighbors, and polygamist relatives. So no I was not raised better than that. Unlike some of the more enlightened posters, Deepak Chopra had nothing to do with the parenting I recieved.
I once again inquire about what OTS did to Kathleen. When I knew her, she was an awesome person. I know who she wanted to marry and it certainly wasn't David Draper. Her grandfather Louis put that **** together, and destroyed her life! She was never the same after the marriage and whatever David did to her. I am very curious as to what happened to her. That is why I am asking. If it brings hurt to someone that caused hurt to her...then fantastic! I am very pleased to drive that nail!!

Anonymous said...

I beg to differ! I have personal knowledge that Kathleen ASKED to marry David. And regarding the person you think you know she wanted to marry, she had long since gotten over him as the loser he was before she ASKED for David. Now, I don't know what in the universe she saw in him, but get your facts straight before you go pointing fingers.

ATAR_i said...

16th son - forgiven no problem : ). I'll try not to be curious about ALL things (by nature I'm that way about evrything).

GBNF said...

I knew her before GFL got his hands on her and took her off to Salt Lake to be put through "Wife Training". The Kate I knew would have never asked for David unless GFL brainwashed it into her.

Anonymous said...

GFL???

GBNF said...

Grand Father Louis (dah!)
Are you from the creek?

Anonymous said...

Angel of Morning says,
Does any know anything about Charles or "Chuck" Steed. he was one of the earlier sort of "lost boys" and i know he wandered from one end of the country to the other and up into Canada.

I was told that he had stopped at a place for help and had said that he had been asked to help do some rather illegal things in CC.

There are so few people who will do anything but hint at the kinds of activities that this boy had been involved in since he was very young. And in CC where a kid that young isn't supposed to be able to acces that kind of stuff. But he was suppposed to help sell it.

I'm not trying to find out the details of the illegal activitie - I'm know that will take care of itself sometime - but I would like to find out if Charles Steed has managed to survive and if he is OK.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any information about Preston Barlow; he is/was a really good friend of mine!!

Anonymous said...

Back-to-the-Street. It seems an appropriate time to insert this comment, for what it's worth. There have been a few (perhaps very few) who have known the identity of OTS from the first. His posts, etc. have made it obvious to those who have known him; but it seems that there are quite a few people that have been to see the elephant.

He has a very interesting background - some would say a troubled and provocative background. there are reasons for this and many very interesting things could be said, but why? Are we always looking for the first stone while we need to be concerned about the beam?

Like others, OTS is a very special person and nobody needs to throw somebody else's name or private privileges out to the whole world. After all, like you, he is also loved.

feralfem said...

Thank you anonymous 9:21 for your kind input. Your compassion shows.

I would appreciate private contact with you. If you are so inclined, please email me at feral.fem@gmail.com

ATAR_i said...

Do not tell OTS name, as for me, it means nothing (although I am still curious - interesting - I wonder why I am).

Anyhow, some have stated his circumstances, or ones perhaps not his but equally depressing. From that moment, I have felt more compassion (although at times my dander wins) towards him.

It is so much easier to understand rants when you can see what is behind them. Like Ruth, I can't attack her - I know her heart is really trying to do the right thing - it's a sad circumstance.

I appreciate information that helps me dialogue. I have shared some of my background - because people have wondered why the heck this protestant is so interested in them. It makes sense when you hear my background.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, kind people, for your compassion toward those obviously distressed people. If there were a little more of that in the world, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. I hope it spreads.

onthestreet said...

No man knows my history.

outsider said...

please, please, please does anyone know about Allan Steeds wives that were taken away from him here in CC in particular Margaret and Ada. they are missed.
now for pathetic begging (their grandchildren need to know who their real grandmas are)

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know where Aunt Daisy Steed is? We sure love her and it would be so wonderful to hear from her again.

Anonymous said...

Any word on Leanne Keate..Johnson..Or Susie Blackmore Johnson..PLEASE!!!!!

Faithful Woman said...

I saw Aunt Daisy the other day at the thrift center. She looked well and was smiling.

Anonymous said...

somewhere out there
daisy steed is living in cc and is doing very well she keeps busy and lives with elmer steed when you see her at the thrift store give her a hug for all of her children only me

Anonymous said...

somewhere out there does any one know where my brother allen steed sr. is i sure hope he is ok i hope the is healing his broken heart only me

Anonymous said...

Warren, you should do better!
Your Auntie

onthestreet said...

All you who have to inquire after others seem to be the ones who are lost. You should do better. See if you can first find YOURSELVES.

Anonymous said...

This one is long, can we start another one?

Anonymous said...

does no one know where leanne is?

Anonymous said...

On the Street. I am here, and for your sake, that is all you need know. Loved ones will always be held dear, near and far. Despite how much Warron forbids it.

rumor-has-it said...

I love to write letters. I write to my loved ones all the time, they never write back. Have been writing for three years. Seems like I would give up or something but it does me good. But like the girl in the book "Red Scarf Girl" I can never forget my people.

onthestreet said...

7/12/2005 7:10 PM:
Ahh, if you have to put down the love of the Prophet, you are no loved one.

onthestreet said...

If don't even know his name, not even enough to spell it right, let alone to pronouce it or to honor it.

onthestreet said...

Last post should be: "You don't even know his name. . ."

God bless you, Rumor, and keep writing. Keep the fire burning.