Monday, June 13, 2005

FLDS Dictionary

Anonymous said....

"I can't start a thread, and would prefer to continue posting as an anonymous. But I do have a really good idea for a thread. I would call it "FLDS Dictionary".

It is clear to those who are even vaguely familiar with the FLDS people, and to those who read this blog, that the FLDS have their own definitions for many words. For example, "uncle" and "aunt", "brother" and "sister", "father" and "mother" do not mean what they do to most. I was surprised to hear that the word "apostate" does not include regular LDS people. Most outsiders are confused by the terms "first warder" and "second warder".

I think it would be enlightening, and maybe even humorous to see what come up in an "FLDS Dictionairy" thread."

76 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Administrator! You are way too cool.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Poof...let's begin with poofer -- a young girl who disappears from here home in Short Creek only to turn up married. Or, as an omage to Hee Haw...

I searched the world over and I thougt I found true love

But the Prophet found her another and poof she was gone

Anonymous said...

Raider: Someone who grew up in El-doh-ray-doh and went to school at Texas Tech

Anonymous said...

dilly bar: a frozen treat at Dairy Queen

Anonymous said...

"on the street" -- someone who has been kicked out of the creek

for whatever reason

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

"maow-uhhn." A large earth formation, as in the Sierra Nevadas. "Let's go climb the maow-uhhn."

Anonymous said...

Streety, wrong topic.

ATAR_i said...

Why treat women/girls like snakes?????

Anonymous said...

We were told to "treat the girls like sankes, hands off, in a respectful way." Basically, stay away from them.

ATAR_i said...

OK - got it.

Anonymous said...

Father: The man currently assigned to my mother.

Mother: Mother.

Other Mother: The other women currently assigned to my mother.

Anonymous said...

oops...

Other Mother: The other women currently assigned to my current father.

Anonymous said...

Double Cousin: A person whose parents are my father's brother and my mother's sister (or my father's sister and my mother's brother).

Oh brother.

Anonymous said...

Or possibly....

Oh, brother who art thou?

Anonymous said...

Crickers: Please define:

Uncle
Aunt
HMIC

Anonymous said...

Street, I think I've figured out why you are on the street. You make too big a mess to be anywhere else.

Anonymous said...

HMIC means "head mother in charge"

I've heard it at work referring to a female supervisor. But I haven't heard it used at home.

Anonymous said...

"Skrig" You don't want to marry one!

Anonymous said...

Ya forgot one Stinger.

Moron - Street

Anonymous said...

Aw, c'mon Stinger!

Don't y'all know that in Texas a "Liar" is an "Attunny"?

Anonymous said...

theseones = these
thoseones = those

Anonymous said...

Renewed means dead.
Pray for your destruction means for everyone but FLDS to die.
Gentile is anyone but FLDS.
To love your neighbor means only FLDS.
Revelation is what pops into Warren's mind. Doesn't need to really happen.
A test is when Warren says something will happen and it doesn't.
The lifting up is when the FLDS will literally get lifted up in the sky while everyon else dies.
Apostate is anyone who used to support Warren but doesn't anymore.
Handled or corrected means booted out of town, wives and children taken away and given to another man.
Reassigned means woman and children told who to marry.
Repent from afar means get lost, send money.
Contributions or consecrations means what ever work or money you can give to build up Warren's kingdom combined with the 1,000 dollar mandatory donations over and above tithing of course.
The "faithful" are those that can afford the above.
UEP means Warren's property.
Time and all eternity means nothing.
Covenant of marriage means a covenant that is made between a man and a woman and Warren. Warren has veto power.
Love is something you quit having for someone if you are told to.
Honor you mother and father only applies if they follow Warren.
"God and the prophet always do right" is a term to justify anything Warren does.
Worhty means having the right name.
Being rightous means shunning others, turning your back on friends and loved ones. I could go on but you get the idea.

Anonymous said...

Master Deceiver:
someone who left on his own, and took his family and belongings with him.

Anonymous said...

This is getting good! Keep it coming!

Anonymous said...

Master Deceiver is someone who was trying hard to "buy" the new and improved? gospel according to Warren, doing there level best to be quiet and say all the right words but knew the truth in their heart

Anonymous said...

12:42 good job! One correction though - lifting up is used interchangeably with being plucked for being evil and being chosen for being elite.

Anonymous said...

I know the "hand of God" ... but it's only a Kingston thing

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

A master deciever is someone who thinks they can sin, and destroy other's and the gospel only applyies to every one else, but when they are cought in there sin, they run around saying how wicked everyone around them is and how unjust they have been treated, and they get on the news and tell there sob story about how picked on they are, and they act like if they say that they are inacent enough times than they can convince God too, that they are inacent, but justace does follow the act's of evil and they are rewarded according to God's justace. And the master they decieved is themselfs, and their home and kingdom has fallen. has fallen. has fallen. And they continue through time argueing with themselfs about how wrong every one else was. And there kingdom has fallen. has fallen. has fallen. Because of there own inability to say, "I was wrong and need repentance. A master deciever: One who destroy's himself and his own kingdom, and then tries to destroy other's with flattery and false hoods.

Anonymous said...

And to be lifted up: a good feeling lifts a person up, in spirit. Two years ago the earth moved closer to the sun. It was lifted up. The earth hangs in the solar system. It is lifted up. God has controle of the earth and all on it. He did create man. He is not limited. It is men that are. The city of Enoch was lifted up. The ten tribes were lifted up. Air planes lift you up. Escalators lift a person up. is as What did the prophet mean? Just that. It is written in the book of morman. Jesus will come in a cloud in the heavens. All the rightouse will be caught up to meet him. All the faithful that were dead, will raise up to meet him also.

Anonymous said...

False hoods: opposite of true hoods. Robin-hood was interchangeable, depending on his mood. Boyz 'n- hoods were definitely false. Neighbor- hoods are usually true. Hoods you wear on your heads take on the character within. ;)

Anonymous said...

The God that all current FLDS worship.....Warren Steed Jeffs

Anonymous said...

And a plig is a word disrespectful rude people call other people. And this government can make all the laws agaisnt polygamy all they want, because we are not polygamists nor do we believe in it. We beleive in celestail marriage. And in the Law of Sarah. And the law of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob. And there is absoolutly no dishonor in this law.

Anonymous said...

Boy, I dunno! I never was taught about any tail marriages, let alone celes-tail marriages!

Anonymous said...

Oh Anonymous at 12:17 AM - just settle down This is supposed to be fun.
It's not true that plig or plyg is a derogatory term at all times - Unless you came from a very stuffy family you would remember many times when we have called the very large vans big families travel in - "Plyg rigs". And say - ya we're "plygs, whats your excuse?"
The HOly Callings are something we have to prove - you know and example to all!
big smiles

Anonymous said...

Master Deceiver = Warren Jeffs

ATAR_i said...

From what I an gather, OTS is a male, who is a pedophile, perhaps gay, and living in Pheonix. I don't know if he's registered, but these are the David's I could find in Pheonix - any names sound familiar? I'd like to learn a little big more about the specific charges against our OTS David. I'm not sure I got them all. Many people threaten to out OTS, but no one has done it yet. How about the first letter of his last name? his crime?

David Day, Pheonix Arizona
Molestation of a child

David Wolfe, Pheonix
Molestation of a child

David Hall, Pheonix
Indecent Exposure

David Herriges
Att. Molestation of a child

David Canez
Molestation of a child

David Wood
Sexual Abuse of a child

David Ferguson
Indecent Exposure

David Vining
1st Degree sexual assault of a child

David Dewall
Att. Sexual Abuse

Anonymous said...

A strange claim in an above post:

"Two years ago the Earth moved closer to the Sun"

I must have missed that.

Could you please explain further?

Anonymous said...

Please define:

"The turkey baster defense"

"The Spirit of Adultery"


Preesheeatecha!

ATAR_i said...

I didn't see the original post for the turkey baster defense, but I have heard the expression (just the turkey baster part - not the defense part) in reference to being a 'cheap form' of artifical insemination.

Anonymous said...

I heard something about some old man was charged with a sex crime for impregnating an underage girl, and he got off by using the "turkey baster defense".

rumor-has-it said...

A "poof" is the style of hair-do that consists of a wave above the forehead. I've never seen them anywhere but on FLDS young girls.

Anonymous said...

Rollie-coaster + Roller coaster, it's just that everyone heard it that way for so many years, that's the way it is.

Anonymous said...

Aunt = any woman that is related to you or/is in the "work".
Uncle = term of respect for any man that is related (in any way) and is in the "work".
All the prophets are Uncle John, Uncle Roy, Uncle Rulon...but Just Warren..he deserves no respect.

Obstructionist said...

Anonymous said...
I heard something about some old man was charged with a sex crime for impregnating an underage girl, and he got off by using the "turkey baster defense".

6/15/2005 7:15 PM

That was William Black with the two Stubb sisters who were underage. It was a Grand Jury Investigation in Arizona and I guess in the end William couldn't depend on the defense and fled to Mexico, to stay with was it the Johnson's or Stubbs there?

I heard tell that William was visiting Ross LeBaron recently in Utah, anybody here think thats wise?

ATAR_i said...

This Ross LeBaron

CHURCH OF THE FIRSTBORN OF THE FULLNESS OF TIMES

Incorporated: The Church of the First-born of the Fullness of Times, 9-21-55
Population: About 30 Families
Priesthood leader: Joel LeBaron

ATAR_i said...

Does anyone have a family tree, or photos. I can't keep everyone straight. Everyone shares the same names, and it's pretty confusing.

Anonymous said...

The "family tree" doesn't exactly look like a tree.

It looks more like a ...

Like a ...

Well, I don't know exatly what it would look like.

We'll be taking nominations here.

ATAR_i said...

Does anyone have a 'family wreath'? I know the FLDS is really into that. does one exists so you can sort of try to visualize the situation?

Anonymous said...

Atari:
None of your Davids are correct. The one we are referring to is David Draper. He may have been a child molester and/or gay, but he was never specifically tried for that. What we DO know is that he is certifiably insane. He was put into a nut house here in Utah early in 2004. I am not sure why he was released but he should be taking meds. I think he is hanging around in Tempe or Phoenix. A pretty good case for his being OTS if you ask me.

Anonymous said...

Just another case of judge not...Wasn't David involved in an accident that seriously wounded him, too? I would hate to be going through what he is going through.

ATAR_i said...

Approximately how old is he? Does he have any family who can help him?

Anonymous said...

We've seen posts from David's younger brother, Stephen. Maybe he knows if someone is helping him... I was unaware that he was having such a rough time... I remember him while I was growing up, he is close to 40 now. He was alwayse quiet and we thought he was one of the more religious ones of the family.

ATAR_i said...

David, I'm sorry your on the street - I never realized how real your nickname probably was. I hope you are OK.

Can you talk about what happened to you?

Anonymous said...

Sister-wife:Someone who is married to your husband,so making her your sister.
Children call their {other mother-s}Motherso and so,{her given name}.
Children of one family are all brother and sister{at least last I checked,I haven't been there for a couple of years}.There are no half brothers or half sisters or step mothers.Children are{were} very close friends in their family circles.I can only imagine the heartbreak these children must be going through.

Anonymous said...

Anon 6/16/2005 12:18 PM
Are you related to David Draper? How do you know these things about him?

Anonymous said...

Angel of Morning says,

Hi Atari, if you google CBC fifth Estate and then Polygamy + Bishop of Bountiful you will find links for a few pictures and an intricate well researched family map or "genogram" as it is called in Academic lingo.
As far as I know this was the first attempt made to trace polygamous families and put them all on one page.
There are ways to contact the author of the maps and find out more about this if you are interested.

ATAR_i said...

Hey Angel - thanks! I'll take a look!

Anonymous said...

Please define:

"The turkey baster defense"

Preesheeatecha!

By Anonymous, at 6/15/2005 3:33 PM


This information is taken from an article by John Dougherty:

The Arizona AG's office charged Orson William Black, a Colorado City-area polygamist, with five felony counts of sexual misconduct with two sisters, Beth and Roberta Stubbs.

Black, 42 at the time, was charged with three counts of sexual intercourse or oral sexual contact with a minor, and one count each of conspiring with Roberta and Beth to have sexual conduct with a minor.

William Black, born March 18, 1961, is the father of Roberta Stubbs' two children and the father of Beth Stubbs' only child.

Sources say Black was brought before a state grand jury in April 2002, where he testified that the Stubbs sisters' pregnancies were a result of artificial insemination.

"He's saying he impregnated them with a syringe," Pennie Peterson says.

Authorities confirm that Black is claiming the "turkey-baster" defense.

Anonymous said...

I remember an oldie movie about a guy that purposely drove his wife crazy, comparable to murder but you keep the victim alive. Reminds me of what Warren is doing. I wonder if there is any legal precedent for punishment for driving people insane. If there is, Warren would certainly qualify.

ATAR_i said...

OTS I see a post by an FLDS women with as much hate and contempt for someone who lives monogomous, as she states we have for her polygamous life.

a. I don't care what a consenting adult does as long as she doesn't collect welfare, food stamps, wic, and free medical because she's pretending to be single

b. If the law looks at her actions as illegal - so be it -

c. I'm not filthy because I'm monogomoous any more than she's filthy if she's polygamous.

d. Why aren't the girls (who are so excited to get married) encouraged to wait til they are the age of consent.

Let me just throw a pathophysiology in here for you.

Close your eyes if your squeemish.

A girls vaginal vault is still maturing as she ages. A certain type of cell - called the columnar epithelial cell - for a mature woman is one the inside of the uterus. These cells are VERY susceptible to infection and mutation if disturbed.

So, as a young girl who has just begun menstrating and adolescence - these cells sit outside the uterus around the cervix. They slowly migrate inside as the girl ages, and at about 18 they are protected.

Sex, although it happens often, prior to that age puts you at risk for cancer and an STD especially if your partner, has more than one partner.

Physiologically, a young lady can become pregnant because her body is developing, and she does begin to ovulate, however, she is still 'growing' and maturing in every sense of the word. A woman's body needs these tender teen years to grown without interruption for her greater health in the future.

If you are a woman now, but you were married at a young age - please get your pap smear every year. It is more important for you to get something like this than I (although I do it) because of the early exposure to those sensitive cells.

Anonymous said...

Great advice Atar_i, it makes perfect sence. Early detection is the best prevention.

ATAR_i said...

Almost, in this case the BEST prevention is abstinence. But if you are having sex as a teenager - be aware of the risk and see your OB yearly. I'm sure most these gals do anyway (at least while they are childbearing) but after that - when you're not pregnant anynmore - DO IT.

ATAR_i said...
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Obstructionist said...

Atar I

There is much research available dealing with complications and a higher mortality rate, though I suspect few here defending the practise would chose sceintific research over a cultural history of taking brides young. The problem that requires honesty and is lacking here remains those 62 unmarked graves in the children's cemetary in Hildale/CC, there was a cause of death, but no one here is likely to be sharing what these cases were.

Per one of hundreds of studies below;

Abstract

Aim: To evaluate complications of teenage pregnancy by Ultrasonography, Repeated ultrasonography is necessary in high risk teenagers because of the complications they face during pregnancy and labour such as IUFD, Anemia, Preeclampsia, congenital anomalies and abnormal presentations. They also face more psychological and physical stress in relation to older women.

Material and Methods: One hundred and twenty Patients attending the antenatal clinic of age group of 13-20 years were taken for ultrasonography. 50% of patients attending the antenatal clinic are of age group of 13-20 years.

Results: Abnormal presentations were seen in 10 (8.33%) patients and anemia were seen in 10 (8.33%) patients and IUFD in 6(5%) patients. As there is underdevelopments of pelvis and CPD in teenagers the number of caeserean sections were high. Around 43.91% of patients delivered by caeserean section, remaining 17.3% underwent assisted (Low forceps) delivery and the remaining normal deliveries (38.79%)

Anonymous said...

W-orphan: a child that Warren has made an orphan by taking away there parents or kicking the child out.

Anonymous said...

Warden = the man in charge of the YFZ Concentration Camp

Anonymous said...

matt-ress... what you sleep on
or: where you produce a "righteous seed"

Anonymous said...

how long did it take you to think that one up?

Anonymous said...

Gosh street. I don't think your god Warren is gonna appreciate your insults there.

Anonymous said...

righteous people, anyone who is stuck up and is strong enough to not talk to their family and friends

Anonymous said...

pligonometry: a branch of mathematics concerned chiefly with the study of the properties of large families in closed societies.

Anonymous said...

Polygonometry: see above. Also, more specifically, the study of how many times a family can be divided before insanity strikes the children.

Anonymous said...

Pslurp: The sound the turkey baster makes when it is delivering its "cargo".

Anonymous said...

Well then congratulate yourself. None of your posts are even minutely understood, and since they constitute the lowest level of intelligence, they only direction a reader can GO is up! So I'm pretty sure that ANYTHING will lead to things greater than your words. You have hit the lowest of the low.

Anonymous said...

mother; your mom, your stepmoms, your other mothers, your teachers, your grandmas, and all of your friends and cousins moms, stepmoms, other mothers, etc....

yes i said teachers in the private shools the female teachers are called mother ________ . if you called them by just their name you were being disrespectful.

father; head of household; anyone your mother has been married to, head family you have been assigned, or head of family you have lived with or married into.

family; if you live in pligville its anyone you know.

first warder; someone still involved with warren, gives him money, or beleives every lie out of his mouth.
(most live in colorado city)

second warder; someone involved in the religion that split from flds, but still call themselve flds. they have organized their own religion just ouside of colorado city in Centennial Park. most of them live there.

apostate; anyone who was once involved with the flds (first warders) and has left or been kicked out.

fun fact;
although people who were born outside of the work are not considered apostates, by most slang any one thats a second warder including kids are called appostates. its just slang

gentile; anyone who hasn't been in the work.

the work; the flds religion

Anonymous said...

I heard tell that William was visiting Ross LeBaron recently in Utah, anybody here think thats wise?

By Men In Black, at 6/16/2005 9:10 AM

In reply to this:

The Ross LeBaron that is still alive today has not been received any visits from any William Black. Ross is against young age marriages as well as so called arranged marriages so I do not think he would be visited by those who support either.