Thursday, May 05, 2005

A little tid bit on Warren

It has been known that Warren's bloodline through his mother has many cases of Bipolar, Schizophrenia, and other Manic Depressive illnesses. When watching a documentary on the History Channel on Hitler, who was Bipolar, it was amazing the resemblance between the two. I don't wish this upon anyone and I know very good people with these conditions, but I would say that Warren has a very good chance of having the same condition which explains his actions. Just a thought.

75 comments:

Faithful Woman said...

You could mark a little of it down to being isolated fom 'real life' too. "raised as a calf in a stall"

knockout said...

Admin: So how does one donate to this blog? And how do we start new threads here? The most recent thread by you is misleading. It only starts a new blog, not a thread within the Texas Polygamy blog?

More now to the topic of this thread (Warren and the FLDS):
You want 'Christian?" What did Christ say? Sorry to be quoting scripture here. I know ALOT of you 'Christians' now hate scripture. So out of respect for your choice, I'll keep it brief:

But that violent man (the one who knocked over the trade-show booths in the Jerualem Temple), said this: "Think not that I came to bring peace on the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's enemies will be those of his own household." Mt. 10:34

That would be an end-quote, from Jesus Christ. Very FLDS like, no?
So are they really evil? Was Christ evil?

ATAR_i said...

First Warren is not God.

Second Christ was 'throwing out' those who were profiting from his people in his fathers house. Matthew 21:13 "And he said unto them, It is written,"My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

Thirdly, regarding Matthew 10:34 Jewish understanding was that the messianic era would be preceded by a time of disharmony in family and social relationships. By these sayings, Jesus was announcing the messianic age and his own messiahship.

In fact, Jesus was quoting from the Jewish prophet Micah who spoke of the messianic age in these terms (see Micah 7: 5-6

Confused Cowboy said...

To KO
The administrator's instructions aren't misleading. That's exactly the way I start a new thread. Did you get confused when you spent all that time on the street?

Native Texan said...

Knockout,

Your 7:23 post was duplicated by you on another thread ("Christians?").

Was that intentional? If so, what are you trying to get across?

rayj said...

Love thy neighbor as thyself?

do unto others as you would have others do unto you?

Dear to the Heart of the Shepheard?

"Come unto me all ye ends of the earth, buy milk and honey without money and without price"?

What did Jesus mean anyway?

ATAR_i said...

(Rayj AKA OnTheStreet AKA Knockout) asks What did Jesus mean anyway?

Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Jesus says, that is how you must love your neighbor. His concerns are to be your concerns. His burdens are to be your burdens. His problems are to be your problems. His joys are to be your joys. And his needs are to be your needs--your needs to meet. In short, your neighbor's happiness and welfare are to be the object of your ambition.

do unto others as you would have others do unto you?
"Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful. Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you; good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For the measure you give will be the measure you get back." (Luke 6:36-38 RSV)

Dear to the Heart of the Shepheard?
An LDS Hymn

"Come unto me all ye ends of the earth, buy milk and honey without money and without price"?
Not in the Bible

x-plig said...

I don't think rayj is street. Knockout is street.

Native Texan said...

Perhaps, but I agree with atar_i.

There are some striking similarities between the three...

Administrator, for the benefit of all of us blogging, perhaps you could give us some helpful hints on "blogging etiquette" to eliminate any more confusion. This might also keep this blog out of jeopardy.

rayj said...

sorry for not making myself clear, my last post was for knockout; and it sure is good to see there are many others who know it means a lot to just be kind. No I am not those who you thought, they are everything I never want to be. I don't read all the bloggs, so don't be offended, as for "etiquette" I'll be more careful. I'll try not to be offended too, life is too short for that. the last quote is from the Book of Mormon 2nd Nephi 26

ATAR_i said...

OK I get it - my bad.

knockout said...

Happy Mother's Day. The enemy transfers his powers to the child the moment he administers the wound. The ultimate spy or witness is the clarity and truth of a child, and a little child shall lead them. Adam, Noah, Abrahom, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, all polygamists, built altars, even large families, in the wilderness. "Families" permuted is to "Seal em off." These were houses that they build unto the Lord (temples). It was nothing simple or insignificant, like just a pile of rocks. Then came Christ to the temple. "Temple" permuted: "It is help-meet." Then came Yoseph unto Varren, all who build altars or temples in the wilderness, as the mothers of the earth, or brides for the bridegroom. Who is my mother and my brethren? (Mt. 12:48). Though we be an ocean apart, it's like my bonnie lies over the ocean.

There's ya something to chew on.

Stinger said...

Good to see that you are as lucid as ever, fruity.

ATAR_i said...

This might answer some questions about what we are seeing.

Schizophrenia is a (biological) disease (of the brain) that ebbs & flows. Acute periods are called "relapses" when patients experience sensations that are an addition to their usual repertoire of feelings. Because they are additions, they are referred to as "positive symptoms" but they are far from positive in the sense of being wanted. They are the hallucinations, delusions & thought confusions which return periodically, triggered, probably, by a variety of stresses. They respond, in general, to decreased stimuli, calm interactions, & antipsychotic medicine.

Talking Nonsense

This generally occurs when a person is in the active phase of his illness. It can re-emerge sometimes when medications are too low or stress is too high. What the patient says becomes incomprehensible to those around him either because sentences are unconnected to each other, or else because there seems to be no point to the stories told, or else because topics seem to switch with great frequency. Words may take on special meanings in schizophrenia either because they trigger private associations or because attention is paid to individual sounds rather than hole words.

Native Texan said...

rayj,

I see what you mean. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

roadrunner said...

Funny thing, Inside Out, I was watching the History Channel this weekend. There was a series of shows on the SS. The one on Himmler really showed some similarities with the FLDS. For example, the members of the SS thought they should have as many children as possible because they were the perfect race. Also, only certain women were able to marry the SS men and they had to pass certain standards. The SS also had secret ceremonies. Now, not all of you may see the similarities, it is pretty obvious to me.

feralfem said...

Inside_Out,

You said, "It has been known that Warren's bloodline through his mother has many cases of Bipolar, Schizophrenia, and other Manic Depressive illnesses."

I have a very personal interest in these afflictions and understanding Warren's behavior.

Could you please tell us how you know this... where or from what source did you come by this information? Who do you know of in Warren's bloodline that has suffered or does suffer any of these illnesses?

Faithful Woman said...
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Faithful Woman said...

Oh good heavens street/knockout, why don't you just go find yourself a girlfriend and get it over with? Warren isn't going to give you a girl.

Inside_Out said...

Roadrunner,
Yes, sounds very similar.

Feralfem,
All I can say is that Warren is 1/2 Steed and that the Steed's have several family members in multiple generations who suffer from these illnesses. I want to respect their privacy as much as I can. - Thanks

Native Texan said...

Knockout,

If you don't mind my asking, what is your approximate age and what is your standing with the FLDS church?

Just curious...

rayj said...

thanks for your understanding, I thought for a moment I had offended someone for my little story of the Nuns, but just so you know, some of my dear friends are Catholic, Mormon, Jewish, Mennonite, and many others. It's great that this Country allows for us all, but there must be some give and take. I know these folks at the compound are or will be going through an experience and don't need my help to fix their problem. There really are a lot of fine people just trying to cope.
as for some of them, schitzo seems likely.

Anonymous said...

Question: Does Warren take prozac, or does he just prescribe it?

Anonymous said...

In the Bible it was milk and wine.
hummm....

Inside_Out said...

Warren probably assumes that he is above any medications like Prozac and it would only confirm his weaknesses. He probably sticks to heroin.

Spyder said...

To Anon 12:51 am

I know Warren prescribes Prozac, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he uses it as well. It has got to be a little depressing not being able to leave that compound and to have to live in doors all of the time. It would also be depressing to have your group named as a hate group and to know that you are running out of money with so much left to build. I imagine he is praying 24/7 for the destructions to come, because it would be he only way to get out of the mess he is in.

ATAR_i said...

Warren doesn't have prescriptive authority - from what I know of his background - do you mean he 'allows' his women to get prozac?

Native Texan said...

atar_i,

If this man has the power to take your family away if you don't agree with him, don't you think those with prescriptive authority within the group do what they're told?

Am I out in left field or could I be correct?

Anonymous said...

Warren had a pharmacist right in CC. I believe his name was Jody Johnson. I imagine it would be easy to subscribe Prozac to people if the pharmacist was willing to do all that Warren told him to.

ATAR_i said...

Who was the pharmacist?

Are there MD's and ARNP's or PA's in CC?

Faithful Woman said...

atar_i
Yes there was a doctor, heard he was taken to the ranch. there are many nurses, went to the Mohave Community Colege nursing program before Rulon said to not go there. They figured with the destructions and all there would be a great need for nurses so many of the educated women are nurses.

Jody is the pharmacist, he was a high school teacher before he went to get his degree for the pharmacy.
His daughter Malinda was married to Rulon and practically ran the local bank till Rulon's stroke when Warren started keeping the women inside of the Hildale compound. Many of Rulon's women had been very involved with the community.

ATAR_i said...

In that case - it wouldn't suprise me if many 'helpful suggestions' were made for Prozac.

I does suprise me that so many of the women became educated and still tolerate some of the abuses.

Anonymous said...

Uncle Rulon was on prozac even before his stroke. They kept him on it ever after. Uncle Fred was on prozac. The drug of the God's. Lloyd and Lehi Barlow are both doctors and both would do whatever it was that Warren needs done, then swear out an affidavit that it never happened. Jody Johnson has a pharmacy and Steve Barlow is a shrink of sorts. Shirley Johnson Barlow?? is a nurse practitioner and she can prescribe drugs. Once when I was in Canada I heard this story. One of the guys up there is married to a sister of Dr. Lloyd Barlow. The sister is also an RN. She happened to be talking to her brother about some prescription or another. Her husband got a phone call from Warren who told him that the nurse was not to talk to the Dr. If she needed to communicate then she was to talk to her husband(not a medical person) who would then talk to Warren(not a medical person) who would then talk to Dr. Lloyd, who would advise him(Warren) what to tell her husband(not a medical person)who could then pass on the information to the Nurse(sister to the Dr.) No fooling. Sounds like the medical order of hell to me. The Dr. is in Texas. I wonder if he has a license to practice medicine in Texas?

ATAR_i said...

Interesting - if the conversation was on a professional level (both providers were actively involved in treating a patient) - I would think both licensed practitioners would have a problem with it.

If the conversation was more of a 'gee don't you think Sally looks kind of glum, maybe she needs Prozac' it would be not worth the effort to talk to the Doc. I anticipate that his efforts to control a conversation he was not part of were most likely sucessful. <---pathetic man

Anonymous said...

From the Texas State Board of Medical Examiniers

Barlow is licensed in the state of Texas

http://www.tsbme.state.tx.us/


PHYSICIAN TEMPORARY LICENSE INFORMATION Date: 05/13/2005

Name: LLOYD HAMMON BARLOW MD

Ethnicity: WHITE Gender: MALE
Date of Birth:1969

LICENSE/PERMIT INFORMATION

Permit Number: NONE
Permit Type: NONE
Begin Date: NONE
Issuance Date: 03/22/2005
Expiration Date: 10/01/2005 NONE

MAILING INFORMATION

Mailing Address
1065 N HILDALE ST
PO BOX 840459
HILDALE, UT 84784

PRACTICE INFORMATION

Primary Practice Site
NOT GIVEN


EDUCATION

Graduation Year: 1995
Medical School: UNIV OF UTAH SCH OF MED, SALT LAKE CITY
Training Institution: NONE
Program Specialty: NONE

SPECIALTIES

Primary Specialty: FAMILY PRACTICE
Secondary Specialty: NONE

BOARD ACTION

Anonymous said...

Who are Lloyd Hammon Barlow's mother and father?

Anonymous said...

His father is Alvin Barlow long time school boss of short creek. His mother is Luella Hammon, daughter of President and pioneer J.Marion Hammon.

a sister of the Dr. said...

No a correction. His mother is Ruth Hammon and his father is Alvin Barlow. Luella is another mother, sisters, and both daughters of J. Marion Hammon.

Anonymous said...

Prozac, Zoloft anti-depressants are issued by the doctors at the clinic "Hildale Health Services" especially if you come and say I am having a hard time "Keeping Sweet" and things aren't working out so well at home. This is the magic pill. At one time, I heard that more than half the ladies (FLDS) were on Zoloft. From what I understand it seperates the brains functions. You can see what is happening, but you really don't care...like seeing that you have one white shoe, one black shoe, but not caring that it doesn't match.

That and they told my mom, "A little drink now and then will help you relax and cope better" from Shirley Johnson, now she is a full time alcoholic.

I don't understand how our mothers made it thru life with 10 or more children. They must have never traveled or must have had a great support system, because two children is over whelming!

Anonymous said...

I saw Allen Steed yesterday, as I was driving from the Mesquite airport, he was running a trackhoe digging out the flood water system. Later He was standing off to the side talking to his two sons. What happened to his family...what does he think of it all..does he talk to anyone?

Anonymous said...

Allen Steeds family was removed from him by Warren. All of his wives have been married off. He is living with two of his once married sons, who have also lost their families. He is working in Mesquite. I heard that Allen was broken -hearted because of the loss of his family, but acknowledged that it was just he will of the Lord.

roadrunner said...

Anon 1:25,

I thought alcohol was not allowed. I take it that you are no longer flds. Yeah, two children about do me in sometimes, of course they are involved in everything possible. I guess with ten they could not be involved in anything and there would be absolutly no time for the mother. Crazy!!

Anonymous said...

The strange thing of it all is when they are handled,(castrated) they are more converted thinking it couldn't have happened without it being the will of God. The Devil laughs, and the children suffer. Every child in a perfect world would live in a happy secure home; there's no security in broken families. Every church I know of is trying to get people to stay together, get along, and do right. If there is anything considered worse than plural families, it would have to be broken families.

Anonymous said...

To 5/15 1:48
You seem to have a little more information than others here. Who did Allen's wives marry? I am specifically wondering about the ones he left in Texas. Their relatives are wondering and worried.

Steven Draper said...

My mother went to Texas and was taken away from Allen, and I would love to know what has happened to her. If anyone dares to tell me please let me know. I don't even know if she knows that we had another child. If you won't tell me how to get a hold of her then tell her we had a son, and we named him Willford Allen, after both our fathers names. He is doing well and so is Zavenda. She is starting to talk clear now, the only thing she is missing is a Grandmother, and Grandfather. We have pitures if she wants them. And tell her that all of us love her very much and miss her. And tell my sister Amy hi for us to. We think about her a lot and love her very much.

Anonymous said...

Allen Steed was ruined by the madmen tag team from hell. In one corner, Warren the "Prophet of Doom", and on his side, Wendell, "Son of Seduction". Humble men like Allen didn't stand a chance against the brutality of the likes of those two.

Anonymous said...

Note to Steven Draper:
Steven, what is the situation with your brother Nephi? I watched all of you grow up and it's great to see you with a family now. I hope that Amy is doing well coping with the environment. Thanks-- Toastie

Anonymous said...

Steven: Where is your brother Roy?
I know he marries one of David Jeffs Daughters, but is he still in the "fold"?

Steven D. said...

Roy is still in the "fold" I saw him in CC just this week end. I did not talk to him, but I saw him. He is the principle of the old Jeffs academy. I don't know what they call it now, but they hold it in the old Phelps School in Hildale.

Steven d. said...

I don't know much about what Nephi has done. When I left he was the only brother that would talk to me. I was going to start a home base buissnes with him, but after he got kicked out he acts like he does not want to talk to me very bad.

steven d. said...

I also hope that Amy is doing well too. She is maried to Warren so I hope the best for her.

Toastie said...

Steven,
Don't take it personaly, Nephi's probably in the self blaming stage. He's probably lost everything and can only focus his attention on how to get it back. I hate seeing such good people hurt so badly and then only blame themselves for it. Don't stop trying to talk with him.. He'll come around. -Toastie

Anonymous said...

Does Allens ladies have any contact with each other? What about the wives of WW Steed??? What is their situation?

Anonymous said...

That is another piece of interesting history. All along in the "REAL" fundamentalist religion, the people were taught that men marrying their widowed mothers was INCEST. But after Uncle Rulon had his stroke, Warren (in his far-seeing manner) decided that it would be really good to start a precedence of having men marry their mothers. So his first victims were WW Steed's wives, whom he zipped up to Allen, WW's oldest son. After the shock of this wore off, he began doing it to other families with regularity. This paved the way for him to just step right into his father's shoes (or bed, more accurately) without having a major rebellion on his hands. Pretty clever guy, for having such a mental illness.

Anonymous said...

Such a tricky Devil.

Steven D. said...

Just a note for you anonymous people Allen maried his mothers almost 3 years before U. Rulon had his storke. I know because I was there. He did it because Allen told him it was what W.W. Steed wanted. So go figure.

Anonymous said...

That all fine and dandy, but it still doesn't answer my question about the ladies. How are they and WHERE are they?

Anonymous said...

Steven, that was AFTER he had a stroke, but we weren't allowed to know about it. We only found out about a FEW of the strokes that he had. Yeah, Warren had his fingers in the pie that long ago.

Anonymous said...

As far as W.W.Steed's ladies, one is in Texas,the rest are in C.C.--broken hearted, I might add ! They will not marry again !

steven said...

So when did Rulon start haveing all of these "Strokes?" After U. Roy died? Because those ladies were maried to Allen in 1996. That is a long time for a man that age to be having strokes, 1995-2002.

onthestreet said...

He struck many times, like lightning from heaven. And only now is the world beginning to recognize it.

Anonymous said...

Say What?

Anonymous said...

Only now the world is beginning to recognise that he was striken. Too bad it wasn't sooner.

onthestreet said...

"Abraham and Sarah were old, and well stricken. . "
(Gen.18:11)

"Surely, he has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows, yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted."
(Is. 53:4)

Anonymous said...

The ultimate irony.

Yeah, Rulon might as well usurp that scripture too, like he did everything else. I'm sure that warren will be needing it soon too.

Anonymous said...

To Inside_Out I beg to differ with your initial statement saying that Warren Jeffs has mental illness coming from his mothers side. While it is true there are mental issues in the Steed family, none of which are directly connected to his mother...Only from some of the other wives. I have no respect or love for Warren Jeffs or what he is doing. He's an evil man! Let's get the facts. Just the truth please.

ATAR_i said...

I guess we'll never know if warren is congenitally flawed (not even anon 7:33 knows for sure), but he was raised with mentally ill people - and he sure as heck acts mentally ill - perhaps his mother was able to swap out some of her DNA but what she passed on to her son was unable to be swapped out (genetic material is unable to be swapped in men and passes unchanged through the generations).

So, nature or nurture - the guy is still whacked.

What kind of mental illness's did his mothers have?

Anonymous said...

Warren's mother was a wonderful woman. I never knew her to have any mental problems. I imagine that she loved her son. I will bet that she has wondered more about him than all the rest of us combined. This chatter is an insult to a good person. Warren's mom.

onthestreet said...

That's right, Marilyn's a very good person, and Warren's the fruit. By their fruit ye shall know them.

All this other "Chatter", as you put it,is truly anunderstatement. You ever watch a loud kindergarten class full of five-year olds. Now add rabies, with the foam spewing from their mouths, and you can see how demons behave and gnash their teeth. I don't know how to feel sorry for them.

Stinger said...

WOW!!!!! Out of all the people who have described the way you post, street fruit, I think you did it best.

Anonymous said...

Street, we are so glad that you post as "on the street" so we know when to just pass you by or take what you say with a grain of salt.

Anonymous said...

Grain, hell! Try pillar!

Anonymous said...

street, you describe these demons so well, im assuming you must have seen them personally. So I ask, out of curiousity, was one of them named Warren?

onthestreet said...

Ahhh yes, I describe myself first, having a right good mirror to look in. As for taking me with a grain of salt, that's good! That's good! Now you compare me to salt. "For ye are the salt of the earth". (Mt. 5:13).

Then you call me a "Pillar"!
"He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God." (Rev.3:12).

Now, IF I am currently as right-good salt, and not as one who has lost its savor, or a pillar, I'm quite flattered, but I'll reject the flattery. Flattery is of the devil. I trust ye do not class yourself with the devil.

So, how well have I described these demons, as you flatter me again in doing?

Anonymous said...

Yes, you have described the demon. Speaking of yourself. And the pillar refers to the pillar of salt, as in what happened to Lot's wife when she turned to gaze at what she should have left behind with gladness. Like you should. You should learn from her experience and stop looking behind you at the hell that is left of Short Creek and the "Priesthood." You should look forward and try to become a better person before God turns YOU into a pillar of salt.