Tuesday, May 24, 2005

Cops raid Colorado City School

The Eldorado Success is reporting on its website that the Arizona Attorney General's office raided the school in Colorado City and carried away lots of documents. Apparently they had a search warrant. Does anyone have any more info? Is this the opening shot in the battle to bring down Warren Jeffs?

172 comments:

Faithful Woman said...

don't see how. Jeffs' name isn't attached to the school.

Anonymous said...

No, but the school is just another of Warren's cash cows. The board, which is controlled by the FLDS, says it can't afford to pay the non-FLDS teachers a living wage, but it can pay the FLDS heavy staff (janitors, bus drivers, and oh, by the way a chef...yes a chef, don't believe me look on the school website) exorbitant salaries, which are forwarded directly to Warren.
Good going Terry Goddard! Now if Mark Shurtleff will just step up the pressure on the Utah side, we can send all these people packing to Texas.

Anonymous said...

Watch closely, Mike File and the new administration will fire two part time employees and hire one full time to replace them and crow about reducing the staff to student ratio. Then he will hire consultants to do what staff was doing and crow about reducing the payroll costs. Then, since the school district already has taken the hit for having an airplane he will postpone the decision to get rid of it while he commutes across the Grand Canyon and realizes just how fun it is to drive 500 miles thru three states to get from the CCUSD office to Kingman. Next, since he has already condemnd the administration for building a new campus, Mike can dispose of the EPJ building like the board would have long ago if there was a way to do it without the action being re-characterized by the press.

And one more thing: Lets give Alvin Barlow, Oliver Barlow, and Jeffrey Jessop some credit for what they have accomplished. No one could possibly have done a better job. When Mr File and his crusaders can do the job for a couple years and operate under a microsope the way the present administration has done, then we can howl about how bad they were.

Anonymous said...

Question? Does Alvin Barlow, Oliver Barlow and Jeffrey Jessop children, grand-children go to this wonderful public school?

HardHeaded said...

I would really like to add my two bits here. OK....300 students,150 employees. Come on man, why can't we just have the teachers, a couple of secretarys, superintendent, and a principal. Nothing makes me more sick on a job than paying for something you just don't need! I mean 30 employees total would keep things operating smooth in my mind. Its just about time something happened here. And don't say that everyone's prejudiced against the FLDS. I'm prejudiced towards anyone that is not financially responsible.

onthestreet said...

After yesterday's raid, someone asked, What do you think of your prophet now?

My reply: All the more a prophet, for this begins to confirm what he said and what he did:

1. First, as “Faithful Woman” so correctly pointed out: Jeffs' name isn't attached to the school. 5/24/2005 8:11 PM

Only today is action taken: “to help determine if any wrongdoing has occurred.” (Attorney General Terry Goddard). Not even yet has any wrongdoing been determined, after all these years.

The Legislature only recently passed a law. The new law will take effect Aug. 12, 2005. It took a new law to make something legal, or illegal.

Where there is obvious wrong-doing, why do you think the Prophet abandoned them? For gross mismanagement.

He even told them: “You people are not worthy of a prophet.” So he left them, and is now building a new community.

Hey, even if they jailed him, they did the like to all the prophets for alleged crimes. It is all well documented in the Word of God. They even crucified your Lord as a criminal. Was he?

Anonymous said...

It was a CRIMINAL search warrant. That means that somebody, somewhere, had to convince a judge that there was reasonable cause to believe that a CRIME had been committed. This isn't just a claim against the school district. For it to be a criminal matter, it has to be attached to specific PEOPLE. It follows that they intend to put somebody in JAIL.

Anonymous said...

Question? Will Mike File have children, grand-children go to this public school? No, but of course the rules change for him, right ?

Anonymous said...

WHAT? They have a CHEF? Don't they know that they can get all the food that children could possibly ever need in #10 cans, all ready to open and eat? And they freeze all kinds of food in New York City, that can be shipped anywhere, even to Colorado City, Arizona! And the #10 cans have all the nutritional information for all the federal reports right on them!

School districts do not need a "chef". They just need can opener specialists and microwave specialists.

Lost Boyardee said...

Yes...a chef. His name is Paul Jessop and he is listed on the school's staff roster as a chef. It was posted on the school's website until the site was taken down on Tuesday.

Anonymous said...

I am OK about a school district calling their head cook a chef. If they want, they can call their janitors something with a little more dignity too. And their secretaries can be administrative assistants. There are enough real issues here. We don't need to invent more.

Anonymous said...

I saw the pictures at eldoradosuccess.com. What's with the ice chests? It says they were hauling out documents, and it showed guys carrying out ice chests.

Anonymous said...

For everyone's information,Milking the school system,Started long before Warren.The Barlows were doing this as far back as the 52 raid.

Anonymous said...

the C.C.school district was about 2million in the hole this year!! has anyone ever heard of teachers pay checks bouncing.. give me a break..mike file is not looking to harrass any one who is doing there job properly.There has been GROSS mismanagement of funds..had there not been none of this would be happening..Alvin Barlow, Oliver Barlow, and Jeffrey Jessop have been doing a good job ,at spending alot more than they should and there spending spree is about to end!

onthestreet said...

Hey, they have a sports team that competes with the outside world. That is not FLDS. Everyone knows that. Just one omen of who's school that became. The administrators were just biding their time with what remained, right? As for crimes, who's the sinner, as far as I'm concerned. I have a fine mirrow that reflects my face beautifully.

Anonymous said...

A sports team that competes with the outside world?

In what sport?

And what do the cheerleaders' outfits look like?

Anonymous said...

The auditor general's website says that it costs over $12,000 each to educate students in that District. I think that most districts get by on half to two-thirds of that. Charter schools are happy to get less than half of that. I am looking forward to hearing what Mike File and the Attorney General find.

Anonymous said...

Second time...Question? Does Alvin Barlow, Oliver Barlow and Jeffrey Jessop children, grand-children go to this wonderful public school?

Anonymous said...

answer....

nope.

Anonymous said...

Seems the thing to do is realign the school districts. Draw a line right up the highway. Put the East side of the highway in the Fredonia district, and leave only Centennial Park, where the students and teachers come from, in the CC district.

Anonymous said...

For the record, Warren Jeffs has never liked the way Alvin and the Barlow clan ran the school system in CC. Why do you think Warren had the home schools and such? Warren said many years ago, that Alvin was not running the school district properly and that was a lot of dishonesty. One time Alvin even volunteered to help Warren with school supplies in Salt Lake. Warren quickly said NO. Jeffery personally used school equipment and supplies in the meeting house in CC, they should get a warrant and go see how much stuff in the meeting house was bought with school district funds. While there is a lot of fault with Warren and the destruction of families, at least he was smart enough to stay way far, far away from the dishonest Barlows and they way they were milking the school system in CC.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Nope!
I rest my case!

As for the record post praising the Administrator...that post is bunch of crap! Pardon my speech.
If MR. AB is thought of being so dishonest by the prophet why did get an upgrade on housing recently... Uncle Rulon's or so I heard through the grapevine.

Could it be Mr. Barlow was milking this cash cow under the watchful eye of a certain prophets brother-an accountant.

But in all truthfulness you can't blame them for trying. They had 5 years go for the gusto and they did, in more ways than one it seems.

PS What kind of institution of higher learning is Barlow University, by the way? Is it a private school/university for Alvin Barlow, Oliver Barlow and Jeffery Jessops children and grand-children, owned and operated by AB himself? Maybe that place should be checked for more stuff!
Now my question is how what kind of heavenly reward the three amigos get?

Anonymous said...

"Why do you think Warren had the home schools and such?"

warren's reason for removing the kids wasn't about the way the school was run but rather what they were teaching

even then what kind of idiot would deny kids an education because he didn't like the administration?

my, how lousy you guys are at juggling facts

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

hey Admin;
Is there any way you can give us the date/time of the last post on front page along with the posted by info?

Faithful Woman said...

Taxation Without Representation was our biggest peve of school. It is and will be a big mess to figure out. All we wanted was to know what was going on for real and not just a lot of fancy polaticking and closed sessions.

One sugestion was to just get a fair balance on the school board and still let them work it out.

Anonymous said...

There is no doubt, that a crime has been committed: First they say we are sutpid and not educated. Then they say we do not teach our schools. They say we are so Isolated we do not have the law. Then they raid the school. Yes, this government is as corrupt as it can get. And get this, now you are saying this poor underpriviledged, uneducated school district had comuters, that this government took. What joy, this dishonest nation. It said in the spectrum, they took a few beer bottles too. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THIS GOVERNMENT: WHY DID YOU LEAVE THE BEER CANS AND CIGARETTE BUTTS YOUR TOURISTS LEFT ON OUR STREETS TOO? OH, THAT WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING GOOD. I GUESS YOU, COULD NOT LET THAT HAPPEN. GOOD WAS NOT WRITTEN IN YOUR BOOK.

Anonymous said...

When one takes funding from the government, why do they blame the government for wanting to make sure their money is being spent where it should be. This is normal accounting practice for any good ran organization. The FLDS faults the government, becuase the government wants to make sure that their (the government's) money is being spend on the students, after all, this is a school district we are talking about, not a private member golf club.

Anonymous said...

Amid all the smuck and accusations of the past, finally this well run school district will have a chance to prove that there are no excesses, no missing equipment and supplies, that an airplane is justified, several school vehicles including a new Expedition are very much needed, and that in this particular case and because we are dealing with teaching apostates kids, we just need to have one employee to three students. Those lousy investigators will find out just how dangerous a bunch of apostate kids can be and when they do we will all be vindicated. Do your worst you buggars and prove our innocence!

ATAR_i said...

LOL apostate kids. EVERY school in the USA, by your definition, teaches 100% apostate kids so I think that's a pathetically stupid argument.

Anonymous said...

Why would the first-warders want to run a school district that is just for second-warders?

I can only think of three possible reasons.

1. money
2. money
3. money

Am I missing any reasons?

Anonymous said...

Yes, you left out TRUTH.

Anonymous said...

oops.

yes, truth.

as in "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth".

I am sure that the three amigos will have that opportunity soon.

should be interesting.

Anonymous said...

Too bad you will not get the same chance as them, to prove your honesty!

ATAR_i said...

Yeah - those guys must be so proud of themselves - saw the lovely stash of beer those fellows kept at the school. I know how hard it must have been to see the police take the Budweiser they were going to have on their break.

Duh - that's not supposed to be on school property - but I'm certain OTS will say (they only drank it after 5PM - as if he would know) as if it's existence in the first place meant nothing.

Just Yahoo's - who could care less about 'running' a school but are pretty darn good at 'ruining' a school.

Anonymous said...

"The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me Warren."

Anonymous said...

Pretty soon, the second-warder kids, and the second-warder teachers, and the second-warder parents will have a first-rate school, with no interference from first-warders.

It will be almost like living in America!

Anonymous said...

If it weren't for the first-warders making them look respectable by comparison, we'd all be up in arms about the second-warders.

Anonymous said...

So, from the pictures, it looks like the cops got special t-shirts for the raid. It just says "police" on the front, and has an iron-on badge. I wonder what it sais on the back.

accepting nominations.....

Anonymous said...

The special police t-shirts wre worn by officers employed by the AZ Attorney General.

Anonymous said...

It probably said, "This is a test. If you SEE ANYTHING, It is just a halicination, from the fifty three raid. LOOK THE OTHER WAY!"

OR IT COULD SAY, "WE BROUGHT THE BEER. THE SPECTRUM LIED LIKE IT ALWAYS DOES."

OR IT COULD SAY, "WE CAME TO CANTAMINATE, IN THE PRETENCE TO ELIMINATE"

OR, "WE ARE A NATIONAL TERRIRST TEAM, DO NOT BLINK"

Anonymous said...

You are all wrong!! The writting on the back of their shirts says "Andy made me keep my bullet in my pocket".

Anonymous said...

Pretty good, and getting better.

Let's keep it coming.

Anonymous said...

"Big Brother 2005"

"Cult Busters"

Anonymous said...

"No Child Bride Left Behind"

"No Files Left Behind"

"This Bud's for ME"

Anonymous said...

They had to spend 9 hours in Short Creek. I wonder if they had a ghetto blaster piping in Pingy-Pangy music to help them keep their sanity.

Anonymous said...

Now accepting nominations for what pingy-pangy songs they used for background music during the raid.

And keep the t-shirt slogan nominations coming too.

Anonymous said...

"The GODdard Squad"

Anonymous said...

"Napolitano's Beer Bust '05"

Anonymous said...

"Not A Hint of Corruption"
to go with her new campaign slogan

Anonymous said...

There are a few Beatles songs that come to mind.

You're Going to Lose That Girl
You've Got to Hide Your Love Away
Young Blood
Think For Yourself
Too Much Monkey Business
Nowhere Man
I Don't Want to Spoil the Party
I'll Get You
Chains

(Yes, these are all real Beatles songs. I checked a website.)

Is that pingy-pangy enough?

Anonymous said...

you left out

A Hard Day's Night

Paladin for Truth said...

The people who control the school district should be favorable to those who actually send their children to it, this was not the case with FLDS members managing the district. Now, maybe this can happen. The leadership of the FLDS has stated that their members are to take their children out of the school system and put them in FLDS approved schools. The FLDS can stop their "feel-bads" about what happened. Let Arizona and the parents who actually send their children, work out how next school year will come forth. Alvin and crew should just leave the thing alone and go home school the FLDS children like Warren has instructed be done. The people that are not FLDS members have as much right to school their children without interference, as the FLDS believes they should get with their home school system.

Anonymous said...

New Expedition. Question does Arizona schools have to go through the bidding process if an item is over a certain amount? Do they have to run public notices?

Anonymous said...

Hey, does any reporter or individual have the payroll of Colorado City School employees and support staff.
That would be very interesting to see.
It should be public record.
Hey, Mr. Alvin Barlow if you have nothing to hide post it here! You say the media has distorted things.
We would like to see what you make!
Please include all, insurance and retirement!

Anonymous said...

Arizona does have a complete set of procurement laws, and it does apply to school districts. But they have cooperative purchasing groups that make it easy to buy stuff from pre-approved vendors at pre-approved prices. The allegations are not that they didn't buy things right, but that they can't find the things that they did buy.

It should be a simple matter to pull up a list of what they bought, and then have them show them where they are.

Anonymous said...

The Phoenix New Times published Alvin's pay rate a while back. It wasn't a whole lot. Certainly not enough to support a BIG family.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
A sports team that competes with the outside world?
In what sport?

And what do the cheerleaders' outfits look like?
5/25/2005 4:44 PM

Street's Reply: I guarantee you, they're not long-johns.

onthestreet said...

Atar Roof Said:

Duh - that's not supposed to be on school property - but I'm certain OTS will say (they only drank it after 5PM - as if he would know) as if it's existence in the first place meant nothing.

Just Yahoo's - who could care less about 'running' a school but are pretty darn good at 'ruining' a school.
5/26/2005 11:10 AM

STREET'S Reply: Ahh, me lady, you're so right. That shows whose school it actually was, doesn't it. The FLDS Admins were just figureheads at that point. There were hundreds of Centennial fokes who could have had beer, my dear, on the premises of their nemisis, don't you see.

Drinks after 5pm? Ya never know if they were actually drinking it in class, in a concealed thermus of course.

onthestreet said...

OR IT COULD SAY, "WE BROUGHT THE BEER. THE SPECTRUM LIED LIKE IT ALWAYS DOES."

Anonymous said...

It looked like to us that know, that they were unloading the beer out of Jeffery Jessop's school provided truck. Don't anyone tell Warren that he drinks.

onthestreet said...

Could be, could be. He's not in Texas is he. But then, I always loved the man, and Alvin, and all. Their sins are not my work in life to blast, but only mine own. Yet, I point out scripture to whomsoever it may benefit, or curse. Atar and others may not like scripture, but many of us do.

ATAR_i said...

Atar <-----likes scripture, reads it, quotes it, doesn't re translate it to suite her lifestyle

Paladin for Truth said...

Right on, Atar

Anonymous said...

SO, THE STATE HAD THERE LITTLE GAME. THEY STOLE THE COMPUTERS FROM A SCHOOL THAT HAS BEEN PORTRAYED BY THE MEDIA, "THAT WE ARE STUPID AND UNDEREDUCATED", AND THAT WE DO NOT USE COMPUTERS. WHAT HERO'S, OUR GOVERNMENT. THIS IS THE BATTLE CRY: " DAMITT, WE SAID YOU WERE STUPID AND CAN NOT USE COMPUTERS. WHAT SINNERS YOU ARE. DAMMITT. WHY DO YOU NOT LAY DOWN AND BE STUPID LIKE WE SAID. DAMMITT. YOU DO NOT USE COMPUTTERS. DAMMITT WHAT IS GOING ON. DAMMITT! OK! OK! WE WILL TAKE YOUR COMPUTERS AWAY. IT TOOK US FIVE YEARS TO PLAN THIS ONE. LETS RAID THEM. WE WILL STEAL THERE COMPUTERS. DAMMITT! THE MEDIA SAID THEY DO NOT USE THEM. APOSTATES SAID THEY COULD NOT USE THEM, DAMMITT:" WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PITCHER? "MAYBE THAT POOR LITTLE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN PHEONIX NEEDED THOSE COMPUTERS. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH OF THERE CHILDREN ON DRUGS PLAYING CUMPUTER GAMES. LETS STEAL THE ONES FROM THE PEOPLE THAT USE THEIR SKILLS TO BUILD."
poor second warders. they NEED their own school. Build it then. We built this one. So you could use it. And just for the record, I do not think of you as second warders. You are not in our church. You have your own church. If you claim to be a lower class of people that is your privledge. I am Ephrimite and I am in Jesus's class.

Anonymous said...

IN FIFTY THREE, WE TRIED TO STEAL WHAT WAS YOURS SO YOU COULD BE FREE,

IN 2005, WE KIDNAPPED YOUR COMPUTERS,
WHAT hERO'S ARE WE.

YA! YA! LETS SING THAT SONG. lETS DANCE ALONG. lETS KEEP THIS FREEDOM SHOW UPON THE ROAD.
dIG THAT TIME. dIG THAT RYME.
yA, ITS COMPUTER TIME. LETS STEAL THOSE GIGS. WE LIVE IN DIFFERENT TIMES. WE ARE IN THE COMPUTER DAYS.
SING, CLAP, SHOUT, IN 2005 WE KIDNAPPED THE COMPUTERS. I HOPE THEY WILL NOT COST US WHAT THE CHILDREN DID IN FIFTY THREE, WE NEED OUR WAYS. LOOK, LOOK, THE MEDIA SAID YOU WERE STUPID AND DID NOT USE COMPUTERS. WHAT, OH THE RAID OF 2005. DAMB. WE LIKE COMPUTERS. WHAT CAN WE SAY.

Anonymous said...

I say be careful with all the ranting and raving. It may surprise you what the truth turns out to be. Often things get sensationalized and then when the reality becomes apparent it just doesn't get into the headlines. You could probably raid any school anywhere and find problems that could be blown out of proportion. I am not intimating that there are not actually any misdeeds, but my guess is that it is way less than being made out to be. Also, anybody familiar with some of the history, would know and should take into account the many years that Alvin carried the load with a budget that was obviously under the norms. While that doesn't justify any current wrongs, we should not forget the sacrifices he has made.

Anonymous said...

OH, I LEFT OUT A SLOGAN, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ON THE BACK OF THOSE COPS SHIRTS: " SORRY GUYS, CAN'T AFFORD THE TEACHERS."
"HAVE TO LEAVE TEACHERS BEHIND."
"WE WILL JUST KIDNAP YOUR COMPUTERS"
"DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR THE TEACHERS"
"WE WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY COMPUTERS"

yOU KNOW THIS GOVERNMENT CLAIMS TO HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED, "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND". I WAS THINKING THEY NEED A PROGRAM CALLED NO TEACHER LEFT BEHIND, BUT AFTER THE RAID ON THE COLORADO CITY SCHOOLS COMPUTERS, I THINK I AM GLAD THEY HAD THE CURTISY TO LEAVE THE TEACHERS BEHIND ON THIS RAID. I DO NOT THINK ANY OF THEM WOULD HAVE LIKED TO BE LOCKED UP IN THIS GOVERNMENTS BASEMENT, SO THAT WE WOULD LOOK STUPID. IT IS A GOOD THING THEY ARE GETTING SMARTER THAN THEY WERE IN NINTEEN FIFTY THREE. I GUESS IT JUST COSTS TOO MUCH TO PAY THE TEACHERS. COULD NOT LEAVE OUT THE GOOD OL' CITIZIN TAX. GOVERNMENT HAD TO USE THE FUNDS TO STEAL THE COMPUTERS, SO THE MEDIA COULD HAVE ITS GLORY DAY. "WHERE HAVE ALL THE HERO'S GONE?" "WHERE A MAN CAN CLIMB A PINE TREE TALL, AND NEARLY TOUCH THE SKY, AND THERE IS FISHING AND THERES HUNTING IN THE WOODS AND STREAMS NEARBY" "aND THE GREEN BARETTE" LETS SING AMERICA. " WHERE ARE YOUR HEROS TODAY, THEY WERE SHOT ACROSS THE SEA. IN THE TRENCHES AND IN THE SCHOOLS THEY TOOK THEM AWAY. IN THE FEILDS THE FARMERS ARE THE SINNERS, AND THE MOTHERS UPON THE LAND. ALL THAT FLY THE CONSTITUTION FLAG, HAVE FALLEN TO THE GROUND. WHERE HAVE ALL THE HEROS GONE. ARE THERE ANY LEFT TODAY. COULD YOU SAY YOU UPHOLD FREEDOM FOR US ALL, LIKE YOUR FATHERS DID IN THERE DAY. WOULD YOU SELL YOUR BROTHER, FOR A NICKLE TODAY. IS IT LIKE DAYS GONE BY, WHEN MEN WILL DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS, AND PUT THEIR OIL ON THE GROUND." LETS SING AMERICA, " WE PLUNDER OUR NEIGHBOR BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE FREE. WE CLOSE OUR BORDERS AND SHOOT THE ONES OVER SEA. WHERE HAVE ALL OUR HERO'S GONE, THAT THEY DO PLUNDER SO. ARE THE NATHAN HALE'S ALL IN THE GROUND. WHERE HAVE ALL THE HERO'S GONE? YOU KNOW, THEY SAID ON T.V. ALL THIS GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE TO DO IS PUSH A BUTTON, AND THE NUCULAR BOMB WILL GO OFF. THEY SAY THIS IS FOR PEACE. I AM SURE IT WILL BE A PEICE ALL RIGHT. A PEICE OF WHAT> AN ARM, A LEG, A PEICE OF A NATION. IF THEY PUSH THAT BUTTON, IT WILL BE A PEICE OF AMERICA TOO. NUCULAR BOMBS ARE NOT PATICULAR WHO THEY KILL. THEY DO NOT CARE WHAT CHURCH YOU ARE IN. OR WHAT COUNTRY YOU LIVE IN. THEY BURN THE AMERICAN FLAG IN COUNTRYS ACROSS THE SEA. I WONDER WHY> COULD IT BE THAT OUR COUNTRY HAS TREATED THEM LIKE THEY DID MY CITY. TOOK AWAY THERE RIGHTS, SO THEY COULD BE FREE. FREE TO BE FORCED TO LIVE A LIE, THE MEDIA WANTS PORTRAYED. FREE TO BE SLAVES. FREE TO BE OPRESSED. FREE TO BE TAXED WITH OUT REPRESENTATION. FREE TO BE JAILED. FREE TO GIVE UP YOUR GUNS. FREE TO INCORPERATE A LIBERAL HITLER LAW. FREE TO GIVE UP FREEDOM. FREE TO BE OPRESSED. ANOTHER SOLDIER FROM PHEONIX WAS BURIED YESTERDAY. FREINDLY FIRE. FREINDLY WAR. FREINDLY POLITICS. FREE, FREINDLY DEATH. FREE, FREINDLY OPRESSION. FREE FREINDLY LIBERISM. FREE TO BE OPRESSED. FREE TO BE ENSLAVED. WHAT ELSE IS FREE TODAY. FREE RAIN, UNTIL IT HITS THE GROUND.

Anonymous said...

yakkity yakkity blah blah blah.

Anonymous said...

Oh where have all the intelligent posters gone??

Anonymous said...

I saw a caravan of black SUVs hading toward the YFZ Ranch a few minutes ago. Are the cops raiding there also?

Anonymous said...

Now that sounds interesting.

Mister pilot man....are you on the case?

Anonymous said...

Read on Mockers. I also saw fire around pheonix. I saw fire and death upon it's street. I saw riots across the sea. Thousand's are being buried today. Men Women and children. In the papers daily is an obituary, and Billions are aborted before they are born. Mock on. I seen a black helicopter in our sky's too. It is written, When you see these black helicopters in our sky's know then, Jesus is about to return to the earth. The events of the nation will become so catistrophic, that you will forget entirely about us in the creek. Can man stop a river. Can man stop this Christ? Can you say you will never go into the grave. I have gotten my teachings from the Book of MOrman. You may hate us. YOu may mock. YOu can not take Christ away. ENJOY THE HEAT.

Anonymous said...

Only following an in-depth investigation of the C.C. School's finances will charges be filed and arrests of indivuals be made. Records were impounded upon order of a court. Probable cause must be presented to a judge. The complaintant may be the Federal, State, or local governments or, by a group of citizens petitioning the court. Given time,an investigation will be completed, appropriate warrants be issued and lengthy pre-trial and trial arguments made.

It's a cumbersome system, but it far surpasses similar situations in non democratic societies.

Anonymous said...

Amen!

onthestreet said...

Warren Jeffs is a lyeing pedofile. He will go to jail before this is over. Mabe then he will have done to him what he did to his nephew.

GBNF said...

Ruth,
I request that you continue to post all of your posts in CAPS. It makes it much easier to skip to the interesting stuff. Thank you, & enjoy your blood atonement.

ATAR_i said...

Firstly,

Whose computers did they steal? I'm guessing all the children who ACTUALLY ATTEND the school are THRILLED that those computers were seized.

The parents of the children who attend the school are thrilled.

The teachers who teach at the school are thrilled.

Who isn't thrilled? The surplus employees pretending to work and turning their paycheck over to Warren. The beer guzzling administrators who have been extorting from the taxpayers.

Everyone but the Thieves. And the Thieves DIDN'T EVEN OWN the computers - the SCHOOL DID. And the Kids who attend the school (cuz that's what it's there for), WANT THIS TO HAPPEN.

So there are no little violins playing for your snively whining pathetic little rantings. Get a life, get a real job.

BUT if you can't learn any other skill, I'm sure there are some helpless old ladies out there you can swindle for cash, or perhaps you can shake down the kids for their lunch money on the way to school.

Love the end of the world prophecies - care to put a signature and a reference on them (rhetorical - I know you won't). Warren is your leader - of course you wouldn't take responsibility for anything - you've learned by example. Say it, demand it, deny it.

Anonymous said...

RUTH!!!! I have MISSED OUT on an entire education in the gospel. I didn't get to read in my deprived childhood where "It is written, When you see these black helicopters in our sky's know then, Jesus is about to return to the earth."

PLEASE, PLEASE give me the reference so I can complete my poor, gaping education!

Stinger said...

WHAT'S THIS? 10:53, you need to read your bible more often. One of the greatest fears the ancient people had were them bloomin' black helicopters. Those and pingy pangy yellow submarines. I think the bible made numerous reference to these facts until the US government got together with the "apostates" and changed the bible, along with warren's tapes and other teachings. Or maybe it was written in the mysterious "book of MOrman"

Exit to theme from The X-Files.

Stinger said...

As to man stopping rivers, all I can say is DAM!

Anonymous said...

I'm glad to see the school get some new direction and hopefully the new school board will be parents of the kids that attend the school.

But I wonder how many times Tom File will drive from Kingman to CC and back before he starts using the school's airplane to make the trip. 10 hours in a car vs an hour and a half in an airplane! Probably not many. I bet he'll even stop over in Phoenix and pick up Goddard for a few of the trips. It won't take them long to figure out why the school bought it in the first place.

About the school's budget. Arizona has a law that protects a school districts finances if a sudden change of enrollment occurs. If a school drops enrollment suddenly, by Arizona law, the funding doesn't dry up immediately or even that year. The funding drops in phases over a number of years (4-6) so that administrators, teachers and support staff have some time to find new jobs. This is why the CC budget is still higher than some other smaller Arizona schools.

Anonymous said...

oops. It's Mike File, not Tom.

Anonymous said...

And all this time, when you people talked about the God squad, I had no Idea your were talking about Goddard.

Anonymous said...

1126 get real!! teachers paychecks bouncing,2 million in the hole,and the admin has the rite to fly all over on the tax payers dime..
you people are so clueless,,the corruption will stop.Anyone who thinks because they are"gods chosen people" the law does not apply to them are in for a reality check.

mugwump said...

5/27 3:23

Who is "can man stop THIS Christ?"

You admit that there is a choice.

I suggest that the only choices are anti-christ or CHRIST, the KING of GLORY.

Anonymous said...

Stinger, you made me choke on my coke and spit it out through my nose cause I had to laugh out loud. I have to admit I missed that part of the bible. Dam is right!

Anonymous said...

Yes, you are right, to damb something is to stop it. At least we all agree on one thing: All dishonesty and lies and theivery will stop. That is why God does damb a person. He stops them. He puts them in a place, they can no longer hurt others.

GBNF said...

Like Texas?

ATAR_i said...

hehehehe

Anonymous said...

Hey everyone...chew on this... the latest scuddle-butt is that Mohave County is now sueing the Az Attorney General etc, for raiding the school district.."armed robbery" is what they are calling it! The word is that they illegally held AB, OB, and JJ and several other staff members at gunpoint all day long, not allowing them any privledges, drinks of water, bathroom, etc.... until they completed the "raid"..(Which was carried out like a hard core hostage situation, complete with kicking doors in, pointing guns at unarmed people, all sorts of good clean fun!)

Isnt our govenment a wonderful thing? They can bite themselves on their own but and then pay themselves to fix it!!..

..stay tuned! This promises to really heat up! Lets see if we'all can ride this for 8 seconds!

P.S. my source of info is a friend in the Mohave County Court system..

Anonymous said...

Ya, I wonder how the auditor's are going to like being accused of fraud for sixty years.

Anonymous said...

To anon 10:35
The Arizona AG acted on a search warrant issued by an AZ superior court judge. That trumps the Mohave County courthouse. Also, photos taken by The Spectrum photographer Jerel Harris clearly show CCUSD administrators standing casually outside, in the shade, talking on their cell phones, and drinking bottled water. No sign guns or anyone being held under duress. I'm sure they were told not to leave, they were, afterall, custodians of the records that were being cofiscated.

ATAR_i said...

Thanks Anon 10:35 - I'm certain they used precaution given the fanatacism of some of those involved.

Honestly, I've never heard of the raid of 1953 in all my life - It's really not a huge news event to anyone other than that small community down there.

Perhaps this legally executed search warrant will be the next 'raid' for some folks, but speaking as a mainstream United States Citizen - the would say 'about freakin' time'.

I don't know if anyone down there realizes what mainstream America does for their children. In my view - it's a little over zealous - but I do it myself so my kids can compete for entry into top colleges

Firstly, as a young child, they would probably start in some sort of ballet or dance if they were a girl, as well as swimming (this prior to kindergarten).

When they become school age they would probably do sports (soccer, basketball, softball). Some kids do all three in addition to swim team teniss lessons, and golf.

You want to be sure your child is well schooled musically as well, so you would probably start piano, an orchestral instrument, or band instrument. Most of these would start prior to 5th grade in private lessons and then they would be ahead when school music started.

Many children have private voice and musical theatre lessons, as well as being in a talent agency and going on multiple auditions every year for musicals, independent films, commercials etc - great resume building experiences.

Children usually have a pet, and many do 4H and have many pets. The parents purchase the pet and all of it's supplies, take the child to meetings, fairs, parades, drill team, judgings etc.

Once the child is in Jr. High - things heat up, competition is more intense, and usually kids activities begin to pare down. For instance I know that in order for my daughters to be competitive, they need a sport they excell in, good grades, proficiency or excellence in music and community involvement.

Weekends are always filled with games, concerts, parades, tournaments, performances, church, and work around the farm. Weekdays are filled with school, practices, church, and more practices.

Most American families have lives are encouraging children not only to participate but to excell in more than one area. Starting young is paramount to this.

So, I KNOW how they would view a situation where children are not the first priority (especially if that place is a school).

It's long winded - but as much as I didn't understand the culture in CC - I don't believe they understand mainstream American culture either. This is a HUGE thing outside of CC.

mugwump said...

Tahnks atar_i:

Newscasts seldom feature activities that occur away from the major metropolitan areas. It seems that if an event doesn't occur within 100 miles of N.Y., Boston, Washington, Atlanta, Los Angeles, Seattle, and occasionally Kansas City, Denver, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and Chicago, the event was of lesser importance or not worthy of a report.

These news outlets, in major population areas, give greater attention to the failures of society and far less attention to those who attain success.

This skewed media is what foreigners watch and these negative stories make a profound impression upon those other peoples in a negative way. No one in the media tells about blue ribbons won at the stock show, praise given to a child who has won spelling awards, or has writing skills, or to those who sing or play a musical instrument. No thought is given to the boy or girl who go out for sports, but who are allways held in reserve on the bench. No one honors their sense of loyalty and devotion, especially if these things occur during a losing season.

I am going on too long. Thanks again.

Anonymous said...

10:35,

I have first hand info that yes, they were taken out at gunpoint, but they were NOT left out in the heat without water or anything. Some people who were not being held brought them food and water. Alvin Barlow actually helped pack the stuff in the u-haul himself.

Anonymous said...

Hey everyone.. I am just curious about our legal system and how it really works. My question is this....

Suppose the records show that there is no wrong doing on the part of the CCUSD faculty, and that all is in order? What then? Would there be any appologies or retracting of accusations on the part of the AZ District Attorny, The Daily Specimen...I mean Spectrum.. ;-) or any of those involved with the whole thing?


Just wondering, I have never really seen the government be "wrong" and admit it.

Comments, anyone?

New Kid On the Blog

Anonymous said...

The party "out of power" generally raises the bigest ruckus.

Courts are imperfect, just as plaintiffs and defendents are. An Appeal serves the purpose of allowing another court to review specific issues questioned by the plaintiff. Should error be found, a new trial is ordered. If the original court's decision is found to be without fault, in relation to the issue being reviewed, the lower courts decision is upheld.

Appellate courts have limited jurisdiction. They do not review the entire case, only those points of law upon which the appeal has been made.

"Search Warrants" are issued only in the event that sufficient information has been presented to the issuing judge by a competent complaintant, by which the judge determines by his/her best estimate, that in all probablity a crime has been committed. The Warrant specifies what the search is attempting to discover.

Anonymous said...

7:36. Don't confuse the government with the press. If the government is wrong and the press finds out about it, headlines will instantly call for someone to resign. Only then will you hear an apology from the government. If the press is pushing an issue and the government gets involved, and then turns out to be wrong, not much will be said on a small issue (not national news). If the press is wrong on small issue you will never hear an apology....ever.

Anonymous said...

Sorry guys, but as a witness to the event of the raid on the school: These men were not allowed to talk to anyone. They had phones, but were not allowed anything else. They did not participate in the raid. And if you do not remember the 1953 raid, that does not mean that we have not forgotten it.

disgusted said...

I think it is a joke to compare the confiscating of PUBLIC school records to the raid our people suffered in 1953. No one has been taken to jail. No one will go to jail if the Warrenite claims are true. No women and children have been bussed off. Come on people, let's be honest with ourselves. The conditions we have been forced into by Warren have at least made things at the school LOOK bad. If there is no wrongdoing all will be vindicated. There is no witch hunt taking place. My mother was in the raid of '53 as many older mothers in the Creek were. This is not even similar enough to bring that raid to mind.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree with you, Disgusted. I don't think it even comes close to what happened in 1953.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,
In the 52 years since the "raid" on CC where children and mothers were taken and placed in homes through-out the Phoenix area the ability for fanatical leaders and followers to twist, manipulate and terrify people has only intensified. The State of Arizona, The Mormon Church, Utah and any one else executed a terrible tactical error in the raid of 1953. When one of the leaders from CC stated that they would allow the, "sand to be drenched with their blood" before they would allow the government to take their families again they meant it.
All fanatical, fundamentalist religions have a flame running through them like this but if you get a Mormon mad you're in trouble - but if you get a fundamentalist mormon mad you're really in trouble -- Brigham Young himself said that there is no worse devil on the earth than a Mormon gone bad.
Here now with 3 States and a province not exercising just ordinary caution and concern about the doings of a insular group of people there is an sickening landslide of evicted youth, evicted Fathers, dissapearing daughers/sisters/neices, and no easy way to stop it.
Concerned people who knew could have knocked on doors until their knuckles bled without getting one person in government to pay attention 5 years ago. One sad soul who has lost his wife and children - very well educated talked at his peril of fixing the books for the school for a period of at least 15 years. He also told of his torn loyalties when he was approached by a "leader" and told that he had to "lend" his teaching credentials to a man in a leadership position so this man could "teach" at the College!
When the books have been "fixed" for 15 years there will have to have been someone in the County departments who are not members of the FLDS who had some idea what was happening but who decided they would go along with it for????
The 1953 raid was done in a terrible way. But this situation at this time is long overdue. The depth of fraud, crimes against families, and individual children/people are so heinous at this point it will take years to stop let alone deal with the recovery for the victims. When you see hundreds of men who have been heads of large families - never mind the "lost boys" you can't help but think of Hitler and his maniacil determination to destroy everyone who didn't qualify in his list of "human" nevermind who had a right to live any quality of life.
So terrible that this "religion" that was supposed to teach people to be the example of the most pure and good of the earth has devolved to this travesty.

Anonymous said...

There is no doubt that the government officials have long neglected to act on cases of fraud and other illegal proceedings in this community. I think a part of that is the politics. Those in the local area and even within the state well remember the results of governor Pyles reputation after the '53 raid. A larger part has been the fact that they have looked the other way so long it has been hard to get the kinks out of thier necks. As Warren has become more emboldened by thier inaction it has become more difficult to ignore. As a people we have benefitted by thier looking the other way. Now there are some of us who would like the officials to enforce the law. Naturally we are a little specific which laws we want enforced. Warren's fanaticism must be stopped. The law has been hoping it would implode and it eventually will, but I don't mind if they help it out a little by enforcing the law in cases such as the school.

ATAR_i said...

Anonymous 1:25 well said.

If most of the population ever gets wind of what these legislators allowed to exist and didn't do anything about (young brides, school), they will have no repuation left to save.

That was my goal in writing all of these individuals - and I would encourage others to as well.

And, since this 'thing' has moved to Texas - I wrote a strongly worded email to President Bush - how embarrassing to have this sitting in your own home state.

I think these guys realize this powder keg is going to blow - and they are doing as much back peddling and and recovery that they can. I think it will happen this time. If they want Warren - I think they will get him. They just need to find the right people to talk to to put the whole puzzle together.

I think they realize it won't stop until he's gone - and they're coming....after him.

Anonymous said...

I concur that is appears that the FLDS is imploding. However please remember that in our society an individual is innocent until proven guilty.

State and Federal Governments will continue to seek answers as to why banks failed and the school district's involvement therein. Why greater salaries are being paid to those individuals not associated with the education of the children. Local and state courts may be interested in misdemenor crimes and in felonies associated with fraud by individuals.

No charges have been brought by prosecuting attornies because only upon review of all documents obtained legally, by warrant, can probable cause be established. Records were seized per instructions of a judge who issued a search warrant. The only reason that force would be applied to any individual would be related to assault or unrulely conduct, or an exhibition of unwillingness to cooperate with those assigned to perform the task of executing the warrant.

Arrests would be made only in the event that that a law enforcement officer witnessed a crime that was obviously in process. Examples would be resisting arrest, or an obvious violation of law such as drug dealing or receipt of stolen property. Individuals who are at risk of flight to avoid prosecution could be detained until they appear before a magistate and make bond.

Anonymous said...

I am Anon 1:25 and Disgusted.

Yes, in America we are innocent until proven guilty. If you read both comments I think I make that clear. My comments were an effort to get some of our people to think a little. The level of paranoia is unbeleivable!
The comment about detaining those at risk of flight: Why would they fly? I know that we must have hard evidence to convict and would not have it any other way. However, I would not want my daughter to become O. J. Simpson's girlfriend! When a person acts guilty it is hard not to beleive them guilty with or without a conviction.

ATAR_i said...

Where's Warren? He's not hiding is he? He doens't have a place to go where he can hide does he?

These guys would never hide would they? - what about Mexico?

Do they have anything keeping them...hmmm let's see - do they have wives and children? Hmmmmm

No one knows who is capable of what - so they act with all precaution.

Anonymous said...

Atar

Hasn't Warren been willing to answer all the charges made against him? He has always been forthcoming with records. His life is an open book. How can anyone think him guilty? A person such as he with a sterling character has no need to hide. A place to hide? Not Warren! No need.

Anonymous said...

And because he does not come and account to you, does not mean he is hiding. He is doing as Jesus did: He ansered them nothing. This is your war, not his. We are Looking to the second coming of Christ. We are Looking to a thousand years of peace. We are looking to a time, when love is the only law upon the land.

Anonymous said...

My dear friend, most Christians are looking for those things. I am not at war with Warren specifically nor any other person. I am at war with evil. First within myself and then to all within the range of my association. I can put the actions of Warren up against all the former prophets both anciently and latter-day. He does not square with their teachings nor their actions. You say I am judging him. I say I am judging the fruits of the tree as Jesus spoke of. If I can get some of my brothers and sisters to come to the truth I will do it. There are many good people still following Warren to perdition and if I can use my influence to wake them up I will do it. You may call it war. I call it love.

Faithful Woman said...

anon. 9:49/10:24

you must be joking! warren forthcomming with records? NOT. He only came up with reccords that were wrested from him. Think him guilty? Where have you been? Certainly not where you could see for yourself what warren really does. Or you have done what the host of his followers have done: blinded yourself to obvious signs of his wrong doing, or "listen to the intent not the word"
Sterling character? How about sleeping with his father's wives, BEFORE he was dead.
Hide? have you ar anyone you personally speak with seen him in the last two years?

Anonymous said...

Faithful

You mistook me. It was total sarcasm I was voicing. As you say it is very obviuos all I said was crock!

Faithful Woman said...

whew, I windered if we had another street, Ruth, type of poster

Faithful Woman said...

wondered

fttc said...

I am Anon 11:11 I have posted enough I decided to use an ID

No. I got the holy dismissal before I lost all my marbles

Anonymous said...

I am 5/31 8:32 Anonymous.

From reading some of the entries prior to this comment (8:32) I felt compelled to state judicial proceedures. General ignorance of just how our legal system has allowed judges to govern by edict and citizens becoming frightened of the normal operation of the judicial system. If you become a defendent, my best advice is for you to obtain the services of a good attorney. If not, you have nothing to fear from the court.

As citizens, we can defend ourselves better if we have basic understanding of how the legal system works. This topic is covered at length in most Public Schools, but evidently children and adults in C.C. etc. haven't taken a Civics course and thus do not have basic understanding of law enforcement.

My notes are purely intended to be instructional.

onthestreet said...

Another Street??? You'll soon have 144,000, and far better than I.

Anonymous said...

And they shall, speak with the tounge of angels. One man that holds preistood, can send ten thousand to flight. The gospel is the same today, yesterday and forever. Can you fit the description of the Lords people, Or do you drink the devils cup?

Anonymous said...

or you can piss in Warren Jeffs ear which is what the Great State of Texas will do to him if they catch the slippery snake

Anonymous said...

Even the Great State of Texas con do nothing to Jeffs without a valid warrant for his arrest.

Anonymous said...

How do you know that a warrant hasn't already been issued. No one expected the school district raid, but it happened. No one expected Shurtleff to act when he did, but he did. Neither will anyone expect the Texas Rangers to come riding over the hill. Remember...in such a time as you think not...

Anonymous said...

We won't know until after the arrest is made. Does a card-shark show his hold card?

Anonymous said...

Besides, you can play your little game the rest of your life. You can not even find the man, let-alone hold your "jokers" court. Let a few more liers take the stand, so we can destroy your people and take your land. God does protect him. He will protect all inacent people. As they hung Jesus on the cross, they did mock him, and spit on him. That did not change him from being a God. That did not stop him, from fulfilling his mission. That did not stop Gods work from being upon the earth. We are preparing for the second coming of Christ. The sign's of the times are upon the land. You can mock, but we will not lose. YOu can choose to drink the devils cup, but you can not undo the rightouse.

Anonymous said...

This 9:15 post epitomizes the problem authorities are having in dealing with this whole mess. If they take Warren they will only make a martyr of him. Then another will rise up and usurp his position as he has done and it will start all over. As bad as Warren is there are worse men among us. The best the law can do is give the people who are willing to stand up to him a chance. Before the court seized the UEP Warren had a free hand to hold homes and families over the heads of the men. Hopefully this will change that. As one familiar with the people there I can't believe there are not a lot of men who would stand up to him if they did not have so much to lose.

Anonymous said...

No one would give more to the law, than they give to Warren. Not unless, they left his church. If they were on a ditch by the side of the road, breathing there last breath, they would not comprimise to the law. And to say that all children in our eyes outside of our church, are apostates is a base and false lie. All children are inacent and dellightsome to God. An apostate, is some one who has known Christ personally and made covenants with him and turned away from his love. That is why you people are called gentiles. God also calls gentiles to join with him, in love. honor the covenants you have made. It does not take a rocket sientist to tell you if you are truthful. All you need is yourself, to be truthful. And to have diferent opinions with someone, does not mean you lie. Just speak upon honesty as you see it. Outright base lies are just that, Lies. Hate is of the devil. Love is of Jesus.

fttc said...

I am not currently living in CC nor do I claim to beleive in Warren as a prophet. I have family there though and have seen firsthand how children have become apostates. It had nothing to do with them turning against covenants they made. The parents were too busy trying to prove thier allegiance to Warren and his teachings to take the time to teach the children. Yes the children were baptized and recieved ordinances but I knew they did not understand what they were doing. It was obvious from talking to them and observing them. Through the neglect of the parents to teach them they turned rebellious when they reached their teen years. The parents could no longer hide and cover up the attitude of thier children and as the children started to get around in the community it made the parents look bad. In order to maintain thier status with Warren it became necessary to distance themselves from the children so they asked or allowed them to leave. I've seen it both ways. Whether the children left of their own accord or not they were not adults and the parents are still responsible for them. So I do not go along with your claims the only people you call apostates are those who have turned against the truth. Nor does it appear that those trying to follow Warren think of all children as innocent.

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ATAR_i said...

Quote by Dr. A.W. Tozer

"The man who is going in a wrong direction will never be set right by the affable religionist"(gracious religious person) "who falls into step beside him and goes the same way. Someone must place himself across the path and insist that the straying man turn around and go the right direction"

We can't just agree to disagree in some circumstances

Gentile <----Worshipper of a false god, pagan

Apostate <----One who has abandoned their religious faith NOT ONE WHO WAS ABANDONED BY THEIR RELIGIOUS FAITH.

You cannot kick someone out, THEN call them an apostate - they didn't abandon their faith - the faith abandoned them

fttc said...

Very well stated Atar

The definition of apostate is something these folks just don't get.

ATAR_i said...

What does fttc stand for?

fttc said...

Fallen through the cracks

Diverse said...

I have been reading these blogs with much enthusiasm and have concluded that most of you are members or former members of the FLDS church. I am always amazed at how people refer to the Christ and try to use Him as an example when they condem, kill or want to maim other people.

Forcing young people out of their houses, male or females(but very few females), is sick and wrong. Warren jeffs is a mad man. Zealots who follow him are either as mad themselves or they have other motives. FLDS religion is a non sustainable entity. I have personally met many of these "lost boys" and have found them to be wonderful people that their parents have abandoned. How any parent can do that makes them unfit to be a parent. Secondly, it appears that none of the fathers support their children, causing the moms to go on welfare. I personally do not like the fact that my taxes are supporting their children. Responsible parents maintain all support for their own children.

Even the Christ never broke the laws of the land, although He was accused of such. I hear much hate and condemnation from the lips of people from the FLDS church. It's obvious to me that this happens because the members that support Warren Jeffs know that they are incorrect in their beliefs and teachings. The Christ would never preach that a family should be split up and the woman and children given to another. Nor would He condon a woman asking to be released from their husbands. That amounts to prostitution.

People are allowed to believe what they want and the Constitution protects each persons rights, but that person can not enfringe upon another persons rights. These "lost boys" rights have been violated in a most heinous way. All of the "boys" that I have talked to would love to go back to their mom but not their dad.

If any truly believe that God and the Lord preach love, then use that barometer to determine if your belief is correct.

For any religion to preach that their religion is the only "true religion" then all of the other people who inhabit this earth have no meaning to life or any way for salvation. Religions that preach "worthiness" are teaching judgement and this leads to hate.

Warren Jeffs needs to be put in prison for all of the broken homes and families that he has caused. Warren Jeffs and his cronies have stolen from their faithful followers and laugh at how ignorant that they are to keep giving him their "tithes."

I hope that FLDS followers will wake up.

mugwump said...

Atar_i re. 6/1 - 8:43

Well said!

Allow me to simplify: "You won't meet the devil if you are marching in his army."

ATAR_i said...

I don't think it's quite that simple Mugs. I don't think that individuals following blindly behind warren are marching with the devil - I think they have lost their center.

Humanism would be placing Man at the center of all things, and making him the measure of all things.

The base (or center) MUST be God's written law, back through the New Testament to Moses' written Law; and the content and authority of that written Law is rooted back into Him who is the final reality. Thus, neither church, nor state were equal to, let alone above, that Law. The base for the law is not divided, and no one has the right to place anything, including king, state or church, above the content of God's Law.

For instance, a prince or president, may have the power to control and rule, but he does not have the right to do so without justice.

God in His sheer power could have crushed Satan in his revolt by the use of that sufficient power. But becuase of God's character, justice came before the use of power alone. Therefore Christ died that justice, rooted in what God is, would be the solution. Christ's example, because of who He is, is our standard, our rule, our measure.

mugwump said...

And in His atoneing blood is Grace exhibited, not because we deserve it, but because God, in His Love grants it, and continues to do so as we demonstrate our Faith through our works.

onthestreet said...

True: His grace saves all (except. . .), but remember there are three degrees and nine in being saved.

ATAR_i said...

yes, so true mugsy - no caveats OTS

Anonymous said...

anon 1:45 said We should honor our covenants. Does the covenant of marriage count. In Warren's world I think not. Some women I know are on their fourth husband. If WJ is getting revelation on where to place these women would't He get it right the first time? Or did God make a mistake the first three? I know several occasions where Warren's revelations were way off. On one occasion a young man and his family got stranded on Cedar mountain in the winter on snowmobiles. The CC search and rescue were almost to the stranded family when Warren called and told them He had been impressed that they were on Mount Trumble. So they all headed over there. A young girl hurt her leg very severely in an accident. Warren Himself Put His hands on Her and gave Her a blessing that She would have a miraculous recovery and that the doctors would be astounded by Her recovery. In the months that followed She had over a dozen opperations. A baby was taken to Saint George hospital. Warren said it would live. It died. I could go on and on and on but the point is Warrens followers will justify anything in their own minds and always go back to "God and the Prophet always do right" for them to realize now that Warren is a fraud would leave them in turmoil. What would a man do that realizes Warren is a phoney and He now is sleeping with another mans wife? Where would He live? Who would be His friends? What would He do for a living? How could He cope with His own friends and family turning against Him. If He went to another town how would it be to have more than one wife living among the "gentiles"? What would they teach their children? These people are in a trap. Warren has them where He wants them. Don't think that many will leave or see the light. Very few will be willing to make the changes in their lives to escape. It is all they have ever known.

fttc said...

Where there is life there is hope. I don't infer that all can be turned to a sensible approach to life but I still think many of them can. It is tragic how Warren has put them in the position you lay out. It won't be an easy thing for them to overcome. But we can't give up on trying to get them to see. Many will probably be lost and many will not give up on Warren. I read in the news last week of several Japanese soldiers on an Island in the Philipines that thought they were still fighting WWII until 1972. The Japanese government had to send the man who was commanding them during the war out of retirement to tell them it was over. Not until then did they believe it. I think some of Warren's followers will be that devoted to him. But only a few. There appears to be some of warren's flock who view this blog. I concede it is not the most faithful of them as I know Warren has told them to stay of the internet. But if the seed of truth can be planted maybe it will grow.

If we stick to the facts and keep trying to wake them up to what is really going on around them maybe some will see it. It is very discouraging to hear some of the ideas they have i.e.: Warren is feeding the children, Warren is paving the streets, Warren is paying the taxes.

I am not giving up yet.

Diverise said...

My personel observation as to why the moms and dads act the way they do down in Hilldale and CC is simply because they are not educated or have very little education. Keeping people ignorant has long been a ploy of despots. Without an education people are unable to make rational decisions.

When we test the"lost boys" they constantly test out at a 3rd or 4th grade level. These are young men that are 18,19,20 etc. of age.

My observation of females that are under the WJ influence is that the girls are even less educated and more brainwashed. When a pologymous wife makes a statement on national t.v. that she "has no problem with her husband having more than one wife because at least she knows who her husband is sleeping with" is the most absurd line of reasoning I have ever heard.

People have long been treated as slaves through out the history of the Earth, but WJ has taken his form of slavery to a much more decadent extreme. It is time to stamp out slavery in S. Utah and N. Arizona.

As concerned Citizens we need contact the AG's of these two states and also write our letters to the state legislaters asking for special laws for a special group of people. Personally I am against government intrusion into a private citizens life, but the damage being caused to these youth from WJs' teaching is incalculable.

In my opinion there is no room for any of this decadence on this world. I may not be able to change the world, but I can make a difference on a small part of it. If society would have stepped up and prevented people like Adolf Hitler and Warren Jeffs, allowing them to do their dasterdly deeds, then our Earth and humankind would not be having all of the problems that we now have.

Stinger said...

Diverse, how many boys have you tested that only have a 3rd grade education? I don't know if you have noticed, but there are quite a lot of warrenites and ex-flds posting here who seem to have a lot better education than 3rd grade. (Just don't read anything by Ruth or street.) The problem people keep running into when they talk about the "lost boys" is that they don't realize that there are two kinds of them. There are the ones who want nothing more than a party with drink and drugs, the ones who skipped school or didn't pay attention. These are the ones that always get found by the media. But there are lots of others who are well educated. The ones that go out, find a job, and make something of their life. It's kind of funny how one minute everyone is wondering why people don't leave the warrenites, and then the next minute they are calling anyone unmarried, who does leave, a lost boy. Most of these boys really hate being refered to as lost. If you really want to help these boys, QUIT CALLING THEM LOST AND STUPID.

Diverse said...

First, let me say that the media has labeled them the"lost boys" and it fits, and secondly, let me assure you that the boys that we tested, approx. 75, we also found to be very smart. It appears to me that the children are being either forced to leave or leave on their own accord and those are the children that have ADD or ADHD. The parents do not nor does the FLDS society want to deal with them. As to some of the "lost boys" being on drugs, it is true that their decisions are destructive to them and until they get caught or hit rock bottom they may not change.

Since WJ took over control of the FLDS church, we have found that some of the "lost boys" may claim to have been educated up to the 10th grade, but our testing shows otherwise.

We have also learned that WJ is nothing but a terrorist and believes himself above the law, as do others in the group. The FLDS church is nothing more than a front for some men to exercise their Adam mentality of control on all of their brainwashed followers.

I do not know what, if any help, that you have offered or supplied to help these "lost boys" but I have found an underground help matrix in St. George where most of these kids go.

You may argue until you are blue in the face, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the children are abused in Hildale and CC by adults, brothers and relitives. Whether its sexual or not there is no place for that in our society today.

It's reprehensible that FLDSer's would rather blame a child for being rebellous and dispose of him/her than to step up and be a MAN or WO-MAN and help them. But this is the MO for people of the FLDS, blame everyone but the real culprit.

God has given man and woman their own agency and NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO USURP THAT GIFT!!!!!! Justifacation are the very stones that pave the road to hell! Children need LOVE and COMPASSION and lots of help to become productive people and taught how to use that precious gift of agency.

ThePilot said...

I would like everyone to know that Warren and his flock does read this. I posted a pilot report that said the DPS would be flying recon over the compound that day. When I posted it, I thought they had finished, but in reality they were about 3-4 hours behind schedule. Guess what, no one was outside; no child, women, or anything moved. It was either a hell of a coincidence or they read this blog. My apologies to the Schleicher County Sheriffs office for blowing a perfectly good photo opportunity. It will not happen again.

bountiful mormon said...

We must be cautious how we label people as "apostate". Those of us who have been baptized and confirmed members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, cannot be accused of apostatizing, as long as we maintain our Testimony of Joseph Smith, and remain faithful to the church as it was organized.
Those of us who never accepted Warrens' claim to the Presidency cannot apostatize from something we were not a part of. They can cut us off from Warrens'association, but they cannot cut us off from our church.

Anonymous said...

Amen! Very well put!

And one more thing.. they cant cut us off from ourselves, so.. to thine own self be true! If you can face the man in the mirror every day, you're better off than most!

I just have one question... If being cut off from Warrens association means that you are an apostate, doesn't that mean that the people left in CC are all apostate? After all, he hasn't been in their midst for quit some time....

Just a thought.

onthestreet said...

COPS RAID, YOU SAY:

John saw seven golden candlesticks, referring to seven churches, and the final church is called "Laodicean", or lukewarm. (Rev. 3:15). These are not just the gentile churches of Paul, but the summation or revelation of all things, from the beginning of time to the end. The Lord says here, that he "will spew them out of his mouth,' referring to the final church of God in the last days. To me, that is the FLDS church in CC, with a promise to a remnant. So the Lord's elect is to become truly small, and where does that leave the world? This too is revealed to John.

onthestreet said...

The Prophet said to them: "You people are not worthy of a prophet." As for his church, this is what the Lord says of them:

"I know they works, that thou art neither cold nor hot. I would thou wert cold or hot. So then, since thou art lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth."

The heavens are hot, the world is cold, and the saints in general have been lukewarm.

Faithful Woman said...

Balance in all things.

ogre said...

stinger:
Thank you for that clarification. Many people have left on there own (like me) or been forced out. Either way, some do fall through the cracks, but some of us have made a nice life for ourselves. I can thank my Dad since he was always a black sheep in the group, that I learned to think for myself.
Unfortunatly, the media will always focus on the worst situation and paint everyone with the same brush.
I saw the other day a report where they lumped Tom Green, the AUB and the FLDS all in the same pile....
people there are very striking and important differences,despite the similarity of multiple wives

Anonymous said...

Heresay is only another word for freedom of thought--Graham Greene

onthestreet said...

THE LORD TO THE SEVENTH CHURCH:

I will spew thee out of my mouth, because thou sayest, "I am rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked. I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich, and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear." (Rev.3:16).

YFZ is the gold, the union of elect elements by trial, as gold is tried in the fire seven times. The white raiment is the grace, the lotus, nothingness, by advanced traits and by ascension.

And anoint thine eyes with eyesalve (swathing and swaddling to close up and seal), that thou mayest see (Rev. 3:18).

onthestreet said...

THE LORD CONTINUES TO CC:

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Be zealous therefore, and repent (after being spewed out of his mouth by his prophet, to repent from afar).

Behold, I stand at the door and knock: If any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in unto him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

To "Hear" is Eviyl in the Hebrew, to obey, to be foolish, perverse, evil, to the world. This is the meaning of the word "Hear" in Hebrew. You can look it up yourselves. To "Hear" in the Greek is Akouo: To be noised, reported.
To "Open" in Hebrew is ElYachba: To hide, or "God will hide." In the Greek, it is Anoia or anoigo: Stupidity, rage, folly, madness in the eyes of the world, (A Trance).

onthestreet said...

With my previous two posts, maybe (perchance) this will help the world (or some portion of it) to understand the FLDS Church a little. Still, "Few there be that find it," and "God moves in mysterious ways," and he means just that. It's going to be mysterious, not anything familiar, desirable, or acceptable to the outside world, but rather mysterious and distasteful, just as God promises. "And my people SHALL SUFFER PERSECUTION." Then, according to the promise (Rev. 13?10): "Those who lead into captivity shall go into captivity, he who kills with the 'sword' must be killed with the 'sword'. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints (Rev. 13:10).

If I were called of God to preach repentance, like Uncle Warren, then I would be called to do what he is commanded to do, to "preach nothing but repentance to this wicked generation." For the courts in heaven know this is the laver at the door of the temple, following the brazen sacrifice, which prepares them to enter and enjoy the company and endowment of angels.

There are seven steps from the brazen altar to the Holy of Holies. Each step is a law, an ordinance, a watchman, and a gate into the presence of God. Upset that temple and its people, and you upset the couts of heaven. You piss off the God of Israel, for you challenge and mock his holy communion with man in his holy house. The FLDS people are of Ephraim and Manassah.

The dragon or devil, and beast and all who worship the beast (the gentiles), WILL OVERCOME THE SAINTS (Rev. 13:7). Then comes the end in America.

Anonymous said...

Getting back to the school theme:

I wonder why the authorities haven't raided Warren's private schools to see if they have any of CCUSD's assets?

Anonymous said...

I just read on that Canadian blog that the CC school was prepaid rents to some improvement association who paid back the Sr.Jeffs some of the money he loand to the power plant. I am sure that good old Warren had his money in his fathers pockets and replenished his school supply from that. Surprise! Arizona is funding warrens private school.

Anonymous said...

The Prophet of the lord of flies said to them: "You people are not worthy of a false prophet." As for his false church, this is what the Lord of flies says of himself:

Warren Jeffs sings of yearning for the buzzing of flies, so that he can learn to be like his master the fly. Buzz Buzz there Warren!

Yes ole Warrren Jeffs will be signing those ole prison blues from the TDCJ, Huntsville bound is the prophet of the lord of flies.

Yes ole Warren will sing of his new wives, the gentlemen in the cellblock shower waiting for ole Warren to drop that bar of soap.

Yes Warren Jeffs yearns to sign those Texas prison blues, Lordy, Lordy he does!

ROFLMAO at ya Warren!

Signed: A Texan!!

Anonymous said...

It stinks in here, did somebody rip a big fart, oh wait, OTS is back.

Anonymous said...

Hey Warren (or his spies) word has it that you and/or your goons are monitoring this blog. If this it is true, then you might want to heed my advice. Get a paddle, because you're heading up the creek. S**t Creek

onthestreet said...

Greetings, stink-weed. Skunks only smell their own holes, ya know. That's okay, I know that some of you aren't potty-trained yet, and God will clean up the land shortly.

Now, as for my posts! Hey, whudaya think? No response is a genuine acceptance and a confirmation, which I duly appreciate. I knew you'd all come around. Or are you simply dumb-founded? My children, it is simple. It is the Hebrew tongue, translated into English. Pretty simple.

Do you love? Do you hear? Do you open? Don't you see? Try some, if you may.

ATAR_i said...

I do not love you, and I do not smell my own 'stinkhole'. How dare you call me simple, dumb and incontinent!

Hrrrrmph!

Anonymous said...

onthestreet - you really are a pitiful person. You keep thowing out a bunch of gibberish that makes you look like a real idiot. You are so full of yourself, but the truth is that you really offer NOTHING to this blog.

You are such a spiteful person who appears to throw out ideas that you hope will stick. Yet, your delivery is ridiculous.

In reality you are an obnoxious little nuisance who has turned everyone off.

If Warren didn't kick you out, he should!

You are pathetic.

Anonymous said...

OTS said

"No response is a genuine acceptance and a confirmation"

Think again sport.

"No response" is just ignoring your stupidity.

GBNF said...
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GBNF said...

Street Fruit offers a lot of laughs and confirmation that true believers of Warren are really out of their minds. Every post proves that if you believe Warren, you will be in the company of people like Streety and Ruth...Sounds like a great place to be.

NOT!

Going to the temple, and I'm gonna get blood atoned...

Anonymous said...

gbnf wrote

Going to the temple, and I'm gonna get blood atoned...

THAT IS GREAT. You should finish that song. I knew immediately the tune that went with it.

How fun that would be if you wrote the parody for the entire song.

Anonymous said...

The sad thing about most of the people who have left c.c.is that they still believe Warren is the prophet and that they are going to hell,which in my theory is why so many turn to drugs,drink,and so forth.They just don't care anymore,and they don't see a future for themselves.They need people who can show them that life can be good.They also need people who can convince them that they aren't apostates,but people who can still live good lives without drugs,alcohol,and such.I sincerely respect every person who has been able to leave and maintain their integrity.People who are able to realize that there is life after Warren and his teachings,and that there are more honest,good,hardworking people in the world than we can imagine.Here's to any lost boys who read this!Go live a good life!

Anonymous said...

If you asked most of the "Lost Boys" if they still believe that Warren is a prophet of God, I think that they would tell you that they don't. However, when you are told all of your life that the end is near, you develop a "doomsday" mentality, on a subconscious level if not on a conscious level also. I say this because I left the group many years ago and the greatest obstacle I had to overcome was that subconscious belief that the end is near.
These young men have a hard time making plans and sacrifices for the future because, deep down, they don't really believe yet that there is a future. Why would you waste time going to school or working hard to save money or make any big sacrifices for the future if you don't really believe that there is one?
I heard all through the 1960's and 70's that the end was near. Every time there was a war or a natural disaster, we were told that it was a sign that the end was near. In the 60's I thought that it was possible that the destructions would come before the 70's. In the 70's I thought they might come before the 80's. Here we are in 2005 and we're all okay.
There will be wars, pestilence and natural disasters. There always has been and there likely always will be. When these things do happen, there will always be people like Warren who will use those events to maintain or tighten control over their followers. This will happen 5 years from now, 10 years from now, 50 years from now...
To the "Lost Boys" (and girls) who may read this, there is a future; a bright future if you make it so. Look to the future. THE END IS NOT NEAR! There is a future for you that is worth working and sacrificing for if you will do it. Plan for it.

Anonymous said...

Plan for the best.
Expect the worst.
Take what comes.

onthestreet said...

Typical Ass-Backwards for you all:

Plan for the worst: Then you're prepared for the worst conditions)

Expect the Best: Then that mentality helps you create it).

Accept the Best (If you take whatever comes, you accept alot of crap).

Now which of the two scenarious do you think is better?

Stinger said...

Plan for the best, Expect the worst, and you will never be disappointed.

Anonymous said...

For you Street, Expect the best:
Warren gets deposed.

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