Monday, May 09, 2005

Always Watching

I understand that one of the neighbors whose land adjoins the YFZ has had heated words with the YFZ guards who patrol the fenceline on 4-wheelers. They shadow anyone who approaches their fence in the daylight and spotlight anyone who gets close after dark. This apparently didn't sit too well with the neighbor.

It seems that the folks at the YFZ, who say they just want to be left alone on their property, aren't willing to extend the same courtesy to their neighbor.

123 comments:

Inside_Out said...

Cowboy,
They are just overly zealous FLDS boys trying to fulfill their "GOD" given duty…..rent-a-cops without actually getting their $5 an hour, they just don't have their wives and children taken away instead. Try to imagine the pressure that they are under along with the others who are building the temple and other buildings. I couldn't imagine living under that kind of pressure. - Inside Out

Native Texan said...

Is there really a need for that level of security??

Seems like a lot of paranoia to me.

Paladin for Truth said...

Warren has to maintain a high level of paranoia. He has been running things that way ever since his father had his stroke. He started by not letting anyone see his father in his diminished condition. Then by starting to marry the girls off young. Then the brick walls started going up. Then he started becoming less and less available in public. Soon Warren was not even available by phone. Then secret lands started being purchased. Then pickups and trailers were seen coming and leaving the homes of the elite in Colorado City in the middle of the night. The security boys were 10 times as much at the meeting house, then meetings were just cancelled. Then Warren had to get rid of anyone who knows the truth about him. The members who stick with Warren now, must live on a "high" from paranoia. Don't worry though, the rent-a-cops probably don't pack anything stronger than Warren's new teachings.

Native Texan said...

Sounds like the Wizard from the Wizard of Oz. Someone needs to pull back that curtain!

onthestreet said...

It seems that the folks at the YFZ, who say they just want to be left alone on their property, aren't willing to extend the same courtesy to their neighbor.
posted by Confused Cowboy at 5:12 PM | 4 comments

Street's Reply: Think about it, fokes. If complete strangers in a world intent on harrassing or even spying on your property comes up to your door or your fense, would you be irresponsible enough to ignore it? Would you be frightened enough to stick your head in the sand, or the toilet? Whenever someone comes to your door or your fence, you want the light on em, if you have any sense at all. "Give light to them that sit in darkness." (Lk. 1:79).

I'll leave it at that, knowing that Christians today (as a rule), shun or hate the scriptures or the light, instead of praising it. This blog is dedicated to the issues of a religion or a spiritual entity. So let's not be afraid to talk religion, gospel, or light. If there is light in your heart, not darkness, and you prefer the light, then all is well. I know that some of you welcome the light. Where a people want to be left alone, just don't snoop along their fence-line and not expect some kind of a response.

Confused Cowboy said...

Alright street, or knockout, or whoever you are. You're wrong this time. The neighbor wasn't snooping, he was minding his own business on his own property and he gets spotlighted. I don't know about where you live, but around here that can get you shot.

Take careful note steet. I didn't have to copy your post to reply to it. Remember, that's the kind of thing that got this blog shut down before.

onthestreet said...

Confused Cowbow also said, in titling this thread:
ALWAYS WATCHING

Street's Reply: "WATCH therefore. If the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have WATCHED. . .
Don't we love Jesus' words? (Mt. 24:42).

onthestreet said...

And evil shall hunt the violent man
(Ps.40:11). Love thy neighbor as thyself. Yes, evil men committ violence, but you won't find the innocent shunning the light, or attacking the watchmen. God bless you in realizing where the YFZ people are coming from, having been spied upon continually for 75 years, and for what? For their religion, in a land professing religious freedom. See?

Confused Cowboy said...

Nope, I don't see. The neighbor never went to Utah to spy on the FLDS. As far as I know, he's never even been to Utah. No sir, the FLDS lied about who they were (strange for a church, don't you think) and bought property next to the man. He has had to live with the incessannt noise from their quarry, not to mention the dust. Now he gets harassed whenever he approaches his fence. Yes, it's his fence, too! No, Street, I don't see.

You've mentioned that Jesus was persecuted and compare him to Warren Jeffs. If I remember my Bible, Jesus faced his accusers willingly. I don't believe he ever lied about who he was or what his intentions were, either.

onthestreet said...

Who said Utah? How about the YFZ fence-line? As for lying, what they said is that they were building a hunding lodge. The very nature of the FLDS is to hunt souls (and ye shall be fishers of men). Ah, a hunting lodge, indeed. As for dust, I'm sure that God is guilty, for in the Texas outback he kicks up alot of dust for yaaal. Besides, ye are the dust of the earth. As for the courage of a prophet facing his accusers willingly, the Jeffs' have done it lawfully, to the tune of six-million dollars in our goodly courts. He doesn't face them criminally. Assault is a crime, and even your Lord "hid himself, and went throughout Galilee, avoiding Jerusalem altogether.

Chew on that for awhile. Consider it mannah, and for some of you beef-jerky (or, ES if you must).

Confused Cowboy said...

You win Street! I've learned my lesson and I will try my best, from this day forward, not to get in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

roadrunner said...

AAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!! Is there no end to on the street???? He/She got this blog shut down once, got the share the light blog shut down, who knows what others.

What is going to happen on the fence line when water gaps go down(if there are any) or heaven forbid someone's cattle or goats get into the YFZ ranch. How do they deal with that??????

onthestreet said...

How to deal with it? Biblically: Whether it be thy maidservant, or thy ox. . . (Deut. 5:21).

ATAR_i said...

I love it Cowboy - can't battle wits with an unarmed man - POETIC.

If you take a look at the "Warren's family is Schizophrenic" area - I have a comment about Streets Nonsense talk, and if he thinks it sounds rational - my guess is he's related to Warren - nuf said.

IMHO we're not dealing with a healthy mind. I'm not going to bother to point out all the idiocies and inconsistencies in his chatter - why bother.

onthestreet said...

Because you can't, having not the power, nor the clarity of mind.

Eye Witness said...

To Atar_i:
You are correct, the best way to deal with you-know-who is to ignore him. Perhaps we could begin our own blog shorthand PIOTS "Please Ignore OnTheStreet" that regular posters such as you and I can use when other bloggers get distracted. Or maybe, HCHIHBB "He Can't Help It, He's Been Braiwashed."

TTFN and Happy Blogging

Anonymous said...

To onthestreet,

Please do us all a favor and quit commenting on these things. They used to be informative and fun, but every time you come on, you just make us all want to puke. Because no matter how much scripture you quote, you will never ever be able to justify Warren and what he is doing to a hardworking people. And besides, if you are so agreeable with Warren, you would not spend so much of your time on these blogs; you'd be busy doing your "repenting from afar." Every time you comment, you convince us more that Warren is a....there's no word to descibe the awful person that he is!!!

Eye Witness said...

To anonymous 5:51:
HCHIHBB!

onthestreet said...

Absolutely! The whole world, please do us all a favor and don't exist. Sorry, we do exist. You do, and we do, and nothing will change that. The Lord may convert you in his own time (probably never, as you put it). So quit assuming that you are a target for conversion, and let people express themselves.
"These things" that we're commenting on are the very topic of this entire blog: Texas Polygamy. If you don't like that, you are certainly in the wrong blog, and even the wrong planet. Perhaps your prefer outer darkness, but we prefer the light, and to discuss it freely. Sorry, you just can't blow out the Sun, try as you will, you little knat.

ATAR_i said...

JAMIGTPN <-----just a minute I'm going to puke now

sword drill said...

Onthestreet,

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another."
I John 4:7-11

ATAR_i said...

OK, I'll be nice

(hands OTS a virtual Clonazpine and a Haldol)

Hope you wake up a little more lucid.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone found any form of income that people at the YFZ are generating?? Are they still robbing the poor people of Colorado City?? If they have started any new business, it would be good to know where they are. I would start using them, just to stop the drain of money from Colorado City. From what I hear, they are getting really poor there.

ATAR_i said...

Do you think they would stop requiring monies from Colorado if they generated more from Texas?

I suppose that was rhetorical - I really meant - I doubt they would stop requiring the impoverishment of Colorado even if they began to earn down in Texas.

I think there is a secondary motivation - beyond having money.

Are you FLDS?

Anonymous said...

On the street is a perfect example of a faithful Warrenite. He is so quick to take any scripture he can find to try to make what Warren is doing, right. He is good at picking pieces of quotes and verses and putting them together to try to justify what Warren is doing. I think we would all be better off if we just ignored him. I dont want this blog shut down again. So I wish everyone would start ignoring Onthestreet, or knockout or stimskey or whatever it goes by. We would be so much better off without his nonscense.

Fried Female said...

Hey everybody, I'm just curious. Most of you seem to know who this Street person is. I can't quite get a handle on it and I just came from there. Help me out here?

onthestreet said...

Sword drill, now there's a fellow scriptorian, a lover of the Word, and representing it well. Coming right along. It's almost like you are my brother.

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure that they aren't doing anything to generate income "back at the ranch" simply because they are able to drain the Creek. And besides, as someone pointed out, it serves a dual purpose. It allows Warren to keep his people busy and not thinking for themselves and it also allows him to tell who is faithful, by how much they contribute. I mean, obviously GOD isn't telling him these things so he has to find out somehow, right?

Anonymous said...

good point!!

ThePilot said...

The Compound is getting weird. The men were all dressed in real dark clothes. Two ducked under a rock ledge as we flew over. Four wheelers are everywhere, riding fence line, following aircraft as we circled. Two were parked at the front gate. Brick work on the temple is very slow, unusual for how fast everything else was created. Scanner says DPS stopped vehicles registered to a Sally Jeffs and questioned a fellow named Wendell Jeffs. Brother and sister or husband and wife?

ATAR_i said...

Do an FLDS people know what that might mean? <----dark clothes

Fried Female my best guess is that onthestreet is male, probably an early adult, but clearly either suffering from schizophrenia, or is doing a great job play acting a schizophrenic. He is in Pheonix and posts from a library sometimes. We believe he's either excommunicated, or is a phony altogether.

He speaks nonsense, but actually feels as if he's communicating. The words, which are completely random to us, actually make sense to him as he skips from thought to thought throughtout the same sentence. Every once in awhile his head clears and a normal sentence comes out. He has been a problem on other blogs.

One of our other bloggers said it best I won't enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed man (onthestreet).

Anonymous said...

Sally Jeffs is the first wife of Warren's older brother Leroy. Wendell Jeffs is the son of Leroy Jeffs.

Anonymous said...

The men have to wear dark, if they wear too light of clothes, it hurts Warren's eyes. You know, Warren spends most of his time in the dark getting revelation from his master Satan.

ATAR_i said...

But Sally Jeffs is not the birth mother of Wendell Jeffs correct?

Is Leroy Jeffs at YFZ - or is he excommunicated?

How many wives does Leroy have - approximately? (if he is still 'in')

What is the approximate age of Sally? of Wendell?

Anonymous said...

To Atar_i
If I remember correctly Wendell is Sally's son. Third oldest son, and fifth oldest child. Her first born is a girl and her name is Marilyn. She is married to Wendell Nielsen. Her oldest son is named Benjamin and he is 24. Joshua is her third child, he is about 22 or 23. Then there is another girl, I dont remember her name and if i remembered correctly next is Wendell. He would be about 20 right now. I would guess Sally is about 42-46. Sally is Leroys first wife. I would be certain that Leroy is in the compound because he is one of Warrens right hand men. I believe he had four or five wives when he moved from Salt Lake and then i know he married at least ten of his mothers. That is about all i could tell you about the number of wives he has.

Anonymous said...

Rocky Mountain News article: condensed - search FLDS . Eldorado is not the only ones concerned. I will take Winston Blackmore any day over Warren Jeffs. I hope he has enough ca'honies ( good Texas term) to get control of the trust fund.

The longtime leader of the Bountiful group, Winston Blackmore, has been deposed by Jeffs. Jeffs has since evicted men who were loyal to Blackmore, and reassigned their wives and children to men who were loyal to him.
But Blackmore, long known as the Bishop of Bountiful, has refused to leave the community. It is his supporters from Hildale and Colorado City who Idaho officials believe are moving into Boundary County, to be closer to their spiritual leader. Idaho legislators have formed a special committee to examine persistent claims that child brides are being transported through the state, as part of exchanges between Bountiful and Utah.
Ezra Draper, an FLDS member who lives in Bonners Ferry, contends he is the only member of the group that he knows of living in the county. Blackmore has said that 40 to 50 FLDS members from Boundary County attend church services in Bountiful. Debbie Palmer, a former polygamist wife in Bountiful who now is an advocate against the practice, estimated that 200 to 300 people involved in that lifestyle have moved into the Bonners Ferry area in the past seven years. Palmer, who lives in Saskatchewan and writes and lectures extensively on polygamy, said Blackmore's supporters have moved to northern Idaho because they are not able to get permits to live in Canada because the jobs skills they have are not needed there. The FLDS members in Idaho have bought big parcels of land that accommodate several large houses, and built a school for their children, Palmer said. Palmer left the FLDS in 1988, but gathers information from people who leave the group.

Which one of the bloggers is Palmer? Which one Winston Blackmore? I can guess who Winston Blackmore is just by his knowledge and level headed writing.

ThePilot said...

Ok, I agree with anon 5/11/2005 8:53 PM that I would rather have Winston Blackmore any day than Warren Jeffs. I don’t care about the other stuff he/she wrote.

I do have some curiosities:

1. Why were the men wearing black Monday when I flew over? (I never saw anyone in black in the last year).
2. Why did some hide now? (None of the men have fled from sight in a long time).
3. Why the increase in patrol?
4. What’s going on with the brick on the temple? They should be finished now.
5. Does the cult have Wednesday service ( no one moved today)

ATAR_i said...

Could it have been a funeral?

Anonymous said...

Pilot

Strange that they would hide, but is not first time they tried to hide, see article in Eldorado Success that detailed how a person belived to be Warren Jeffs tried to hide while some sort of temple dedication ceremony was going on,
http://www.myeldorado.net/YFZ%20Pages/YFZ010605.html

Seems that based on what you saw, was some sort of ceremony (black clothes) and the folks trying to hide was ole Warren Jeffs and perhaps one of his bodyguard goons.

Good of you to fly over and disrupt their ceremony, ROFLMAO over ole Jeffs running and trying to hide under a rock ledge.

Hope property owners around YFZ are walking the fence property lines, keep them from trying to move fences or cutting fences to create access routes in and out of YFZ.

Anonymous said...

uncle Wink and uncle Warren?

well, you may see the saint and the sinner

but I just see good cop, bad cop

or more simply,

the Good, the Bad and all Ugly

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

To On the Street:
David, is that you? Sheesh! Do you have a job or do you just spend all your time trying to figure out something to say?

Fried Female said...

Atar_i, how do you know where OTS is and that he sometimes publishes from a library? I mean, this is scary. If you can find which computers are posting, so can the "God Squad" (the name we affectionately gave Warren's private police force)
Really, how do you know?

Anonymous said...

I believe that the administrator of the Share the Light blog was able to track OntheStreet to a computer in a library in Phoenix. I am sure the God quad could not find out who you were unless they came into your house and got a hold of your computer.

Anonymous said...

To Keep Sweet Eldorado 5/12 12:30 am

Winston the Good. Warren is definetly the Bad and the Ugly.

Anonymous said...

Winston is only as good as his last breath

the good folks in Canada are hoping it won't come for a long long time

this is true in any dictatorship

as the folks in CC learned the hard way

Winston is Good, Warren is Bad, what they're doing is Ugly

keep sweet eldorado
stg

ATAR_i said...

Fried Female

Yes, correct - it was the weblog administrator who let us know. He believed that OTS was disrupting the blog perhaps just for giggles, and might not have any affiliation with FLDS at all.

Who is David? Anon 12:37.

There is NO WAY for anyone in Warrens group to get that information.

Anonymous said...

1:56,
I have an interest in Sally Jeffs, from some past history, what else do you know about her?

Anonymous said...

Before street got kicked off the polygabuse aimoo forum for being so confrontational, he claimed to be around 30 (thought his posts seem too juvenile for that), and kicked out, never married, wanting to get back in so bad he posts pro warren stuff that would even make warrenites puke.

Anonymous said...

Wow! As I read this I am so glad for a life of genuine quality. I am so grateful that I don't have to participate in a religious carnage where companions, sons and daughters are removed from their families and where no one seems to know who they are or what their rights are. Fear is the opposite of love and is satan's greatest tool. I am free of such a thing. This brings me comfort and pleasure. I have the truth which is good and right and my family and I can live with complete integrity. Everything within my soul reverberates "YES YES!" And with this unconditional satisfaction in my life I don't have to worry about a final chapter or an end. However as a parent I do have the privilege of helping my children through their trials and challenges. I pray that they can understand that because people are different, doesn't necessarily mean that they are'bad' but that everyone has a right to his or her own religious opinion just as we do--or should. "There are two things to aim for in life; first to get what you want; and after that to enjoy it. Only the wisest of mankind achieves the second."--Logan Pearsall Smith

Anonymous said...

Pilot you were right. Things do seem to have slowed down at the temple. I saw the photo in the Eldo Success. Warren's boys aren't laying that stone very quickly.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the stones aren't going up very quickly is because the people of CC are running out of money. Thus, Warren is running out of money.

Anonymous said...

I heard rumor that some of the men in the compound started a machine shop. Does anybody know if this is correct. I know they have a few top notch machinists down there.

Anonymous said...

This is just a hypothetical argument.

1.Warren has to have stone created from holy ground. Bought stone would not work for a holy FLDS temple
2.He quarries limestone bricks (like the courthouse of Schleicher County)from the FLDS compound because this is a holy site
3.They ( Warrenites) discover that limestone quarried in Schleicher county will crack if cut too small( that is why the courthouse stones are massive.

Now this is a dilemma. Do you import unholy stones or try to make this mess work?

Anonymous said...

To answer Pilot;men wearing dark
suits,This should imply nothing
sinister,Traditionally all Flds
higher ups,I.E.High Priests,Bishops,Apostles,Presidents and their Counselors,etc wore black
suits white ties,on formal occasions,My father, for example
always wore black suit,white shirt
and tie,when attending church.I believe you must have witnessed
a meeting of some sort,Possibly of the men
Warren supposedly ordained High Priests,I've noticed Willy Timpson has since his assuming office of bishop
also has taken up this attire lately.I have a picture of Uncle
Roy and the Priesthood council,taken in early seventies
All clad in this attire.Secondly I also think we should ignore "Street"He/She/IT blogging
here is proof enough Street is in no way a Warrenite.Sorry "
Street"Warrenites in good standing
dont blog. Sixteenth Son.

ATAR_i said...

Good info sixteenth son.

Anonymous said...

"Hypothetical argument."

1.Warren has to have stone created from holy ground. Bought stone would not work for a holy FLDS temple.

SEEN LARGE STONES HAUL IN FROM THE OUTSIDE. Could there be another quarry somewhere else. Other holy ground. Are there quarries in Arizona?

Writer

Anonymous said...

Have been watching closely since you saw stone, writer. Haven't seen any other stone come in.
writer2

Anonymous said...

Please post anything on machine shops and other business they are doing there.

Anonymous said...

lets see Warren= Napoleon
Squealer= Willie T.
flds=animal farm

lets have some fun and compare
George Orwells "Animal Farm" to the flds saga

ThePilot said...

As of 1:00 today, Warenites are creating a sloped ramp for front entrance ( east side) of the Temple; caliche foundation with concrete forms. Looks like it would be about 8 foot wide. Rock work has halted with scaffolds and rock at the top of the 3rd floor window: only at the center of south side center of the Temple.
They are removing more black dirt from perimeter of the quarry. It looks like quarry is being expanded.
• No more men in black
• no more patrols.
• Fewer vehicles at compound

All is very quite and peaceful.

feralfem said...

Pilot, I, for one, truly do appreciate your regular reports around and about the compound; you are our eyes.

I wish I could fly up there with you.

Kudos to you, sir!!

roadrunner said...

These men seem very talented, where do they learn their skills?

Anonymous said...

To answer Roadrunner,Flds men have always been in the construction trade Steed and Sons,very large construction firm in Intermountan area is/was owned by David Steed,one of
Warrens right hand men.At one time
or another Steed & co.built many projects in Salt Lake,Reno,Las Vegas.Lake Tahoe.Many Flds worked and still work in the building trades.Not all are on welfare.

roadrunner said...

I am not implying they all are on welfare. That is fairly obvious. The group(flds) would not have existed this long if everyone was on it....someone has to be educated to be able to take care of business. I am very impressed by the work they do. Too bad they are so limited who they work for.

Anonymous said...

Steeds filed for bankruptcy in 2002 for around $8,500,000. Looks like Warren had them work the system a step above welfare abuse.

Anonymous said...

Steeds success was nothing at all to do with David Steed. He ran his own carpet cleaning business. Yes, a perfect yes man this David. He jumped right into bed with John Nielsen's wife and children, and what was John's crime? Same as that of Dave's brother Allan, oldest son of WW Steed, who was the real brains and glue behind the Steed corp.. Just for the record, Warren Steed Jeffs was the one that bankrupted Steeds. He was on their payroll although never working for them, had his hand on their money through their accountant Leroy Jeffs his brother, spent the money from the sale of their properties, told them to quit their business in Salt Lake, directed their merger with Willie Jessop who had his pockets full of their cash while they struggled, and ultimately ended up taking the family of Allan Steed from him for telling the truth.
If Warren wasn't a racist,(which he is)if he never ruined hundreds of peoples lives,(which he has)if he wasn't the mastermind of one of the ugliest pages in wierd religious history,(which he is)then he will still have to wear the criminal label for the horrendous crime that he has imposed upon men like Allan Steed and John Nielsen. He just as well have killed Allan. Racist hell! Murderer would be a better description.

roadrunner said...

Are the Steeds still followers of Warren? I don't care how devout I was that would really upset me.

Anonymous said...

Many of the loyal Steeds from that bankrupt company are gone from town and are down in Texas working there. The rest have been instructed by Warren to work for Willie Jessop, who robbed and bankrupted Steeds to start with. A lot of the old equipment from the Steeds bankruptcy, that was hidden from the banks by Willie Jessop, can be seen in the pictures posted on the web of the Texas place. Maybe Sheriff Doran should go take some serials and give them to the BK court.

pained said...

Painfully accurate 1:24. For all of those out there who wonder why it was that the Steeds, the Barlows, the Nielsens would just let something like that happen, here goes. Uncle Rulon our prophet and mighty decent man, suffered a major stroke that left him greatly reduced in his capacity. Everyone knew it. Warren took total control of him and began to "be his memory" in Warren's own words. On the other hand, Uncle Fred, who was struggling trying to get his feelings so that he could swallow the departure from our basic teachings, was the "testimony" of the Barlows. What he did they did. Both Warren and Uncle Fred did not like Winston, and neither did the Barlows, who was not buying the new business. They thought that it was time to dispose of him so they made an attempt to get Uncle Rulon to do it. He wouldn't do it before his stroke. When the stroke came it was time for Warren to act. If even one of the Barlow boys would have been as converted in public as they were in private, they could have made a huge difference. Problem was that they also were jealous of Winston so they joined up with the hate Winston campaign. What an outfit. United in hatred and jealousy. Winston didn't fit with those guys either. When Uncle Rulon had his stroke any of us that knew Winston saw him frustrated, lonely,and struggling to make any sense of it all. He was no saint either. He frustrated all of our ideals. He rode motorbikes, played hockey, went hunting, flew airplanes, played the guitar, and did it all in the midst of a flock of people who really did love him. He had a huge family. Warren took that family all away from him. Alvin Barlow married one of his wives. I don't know where the other ones are but I heard that he was broken and lonely. He could put his arm around any struggling boy and make them want to do something better with their life. That is why he was hated. Bull s--t was just that to him, even if it came over the pulpit. He called it what he saw it. Warren is not a king, he is a miserable thief.

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Anonymous said...

Are there rooms that are completed in the "temple"? I hear that several couples have already got the "endowments".

Anonymous said...

To Pained
Warren did not succeed in taking Winstons family from him. Only two of his wives were talked in to leaving him, taking only one child with them. You are correct that one of Winstons wives married Alvin Barlow but the other one is still not married and she lives in CC. The rest of Winstons family still lives with him. Winston was able to get his wives and children to love him and love one another, so that when Warren tried to get his wives to leave them they wouldn't. He is anything but lonely and broken. He is ever willing to put his arm around a struggling boy and help him do something with his life. That was one of the main reasons Warren had him removed from status of Bishop and Presiding Elder, and later had him excommunicated. Winston posts a monthly newsletter. You could access that at "sharethelight.ca," if you had any interest to see how things are going up here.

John W. Nielsen said...

Before we get too upset at David Steed, we must realize that these wives are going behind the backs of their husbands, talking to Warren and getting their husbands kicked out. Why should we fault David Steed for what he did? These wives that David now has, were taught that they were married for time and eternity, yet when the test came, they failed. David is as much as a victim as the next guy. If he would have hestitated for one second, when he was asked to take another man's wife, he would have been stripped clean as well. Warren rules by extreme and horiffic fear, Warren is the exact icon of what his father Rulon taught not to be. I imagine that after David took the wives of other men as his own, he honestly did not know what to do. Soon they would want to have a child, if he did perform, the wife would be behind his back telling Warren and David would be stripped clean as well. David Steed is a simple and kind father, he has taken the teachings of the gospel to heart and one can see it in his family. He has trained his children the way Uncle Roy, Uncle Rulon and his father taught him too. What thanks did he get for this great and noble effort, the evil and horrible coward Warren Steed Jeffs strips David's oldest son of his family and sends him away to repent. David's son Joseph was one of the finest examples I have ever known. If you want to see a product of the teachings of Brother Woodruff Steed, Uncle Roy and Uncle Rulon, you can look at David's son Joseph, yet he has been stripped by Warren. Warren strips David's older brother Allen of all he has, Allen is another one of the finest examples I have ever known, if one wanted a icon of the gospel, that would be Allen W. Steed.

What else can David do than live in horrible fear of that damned minion of Lucifer, warren?? I am sure that if Jesus our Lord is 1/2 of what we believe him to be, he will look at David Steed's condition with compassion and charity, things that Warren knows nothing about. I don't believe that any mortal man has the heavenly intelligence required to judge a man like David Steed. This is why Jesus says to leave judgement to him. If we want to fault someone, fault Warren, the evil servant of Lucifer. What kind of a coward hears one side of the story and does not have enough testicular fortitude (balls) to at least talk with the husband before he acts???

As for me I hold no feelings toward David Steed, he has my love and I only hope he can come out from under this horrible rule of Satan with his family intact.

--- John W. Nielsen, Husband of Charlene, now married to David Steed.

roadrunner said...

WOW!!!!! That is really heavy stuff. What are these men who have lost their families doing? Mr. Nielsen, it is terrible that you have lost your love. Can't someone do something to stop all of this madness!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

What state did the Steed bankrupcy take place in?

Is this same Willy Jessop Warren's body guard?

Same Willy Jessop selling all the UEP property in Arizona?

Anonymous said...

To anon 9:15
I believe the state was Utah.
Yes Willie is one of Warrens body guards and he is the same Willy selling all the UEP in Arizona.

Anonymous said...

One more thing about Willie. A few years back people were saying that Willie has several hundred thousand dollars in guns and ammo in the vault in his basement.

Anonymous said...

I have Jessop in my bloodline through my mother. Who are Willie Jessop's parents / grandparents?

Anonymous said...

Willie is the son of Glade, who is the son of Uncle Virgel.
And no, he doesn't have guns in his basement

Anonymous said...

To 10:36
Did Willie move all of his fire arms to the compound in Texas?

GBNF said...
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He told me so said...

If Willie doesn't have guns in his basement now it is because he took them out. He has automatic weapons, hand guns, two fifty caliber guns, and a host of other types and ammo. He is a gun nut collector, or else the worlds biggest liar.

Anonymous said...

I would go with the latter. Willy is extremely boastful and likes to "embellish" everything in an attempt to raise the esteem of his audience for him. He is forever showing off his new "toys" and claims to have the biggest and best of everything. He may, in fact, have a few guns, but I can just about guarantee that he is indeed the world's biggest liar.

Anonymous said...

The last time Willy was in Canada he was stopped at Canadian Customs and searched. In his tool box they found a loaded clip that went to an AK-47 Assault Rifle. They searched the vehicle over and never found any guns, but later Willy was boasting how he had smuggled the gun across without customs finding it.

ATAR_i said...

Nielsen - can you tell us more of your story. How did the stripping of your wife(s) come about?

Antique Mormon said...

It is quite a stretch to think that the treatment of John Nielsen, assault rifles, leaders hiding from what, underage marriages, compounds, the Barlow treatment, etc. has anything at all to do with Mormonism.

Anonymous said...

John Nielsen:
I am really saddened by your loss. Do you have any contact with your family?

Where are you living now? can I e-mail you?

friend from the past

Anonymous said...

Hey friend from the past, I would like your email address or phone number. Think of a good place to post it.

-John Nielsen

Anonymous said...

John Nielson??
I thought it was John Jeffs!
What Happened??
Your Couzin

Faithful Woman said...

you could contact the administrator as a 3rd party contact so you don't have to make either email public.

ogre said...

Are there any members that have been told to leave who tried to hold onto their wives? other than the boys in Canada?
15 years ago,it seems, most people would have openly rebelled against wive swapping and parent swapping. What gives...does disobedience equal adaultry?

Faithful Woman said...

Yes, that was when he figured out that she was the one who turned him in.

Anonymous said...

There is a John Nielson who went by John Gilbert, John Nielson, and now John Jeffs. His mother was taken from his father then committed to Warren's father. This apparently changed John's name.

There is a John Nielsen who is the son of Wendell Nielsen. He is the one that lost his family. Currently his children think they are Steeds, but will soon be Allred's, Richter's, or someone else until their final quest for that elusive opportunity to be Jeffs.

Oh, that makes you sick.

individual identity said...

So, with all the "Faithful" in texas, what are the rest of the group doing in CC? What do they have to look forward to? What are they thinking?

Anonymous said...

Oh, warren is stringing them along. He sent word a week or so ago that "Zion is where you make it", apparently in an attempt to make the "left behind" not feel so left out. Apparently, he has stated that not even everyone who works on the temple will be allowed inside. Pretty egotistical in my opinion.

ogre said...

John Nielsen:
this is your friend from the past.
I would like to sit down and talk with you.
E-mail me by clicking on my user name at the top of this post

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5/15/05 1:23 AM

David Steed was caught in bed with John Neilson's wife?

Didn't D&C 132 come from a similar situation in Joseph Smith's OK to polygamy?

The end justifies the means?

ATAR_i said...

What happened to Steed? How did people find out about it?

And, how did he get her into bed with him - aren't they fairly victorian down there (other than the polygamy thing)?

Anonymous said...

She got into his bed, because Warren told them too. Duh, like all the women in that place can swap whenever they want.

ATAR_i said...

??? Anon - because of the sarcasm I need to clarify what you actually mean.

Please clarify:

1. It means Warren asked her to get into Steeds bed.

2. It means a woman would never do that on her own, only by command.

Did she jump in (er...was comanded to jump in) before she left her husband - or after? Why would Warren care whose bed she was in?

Anonymous said...

OnTheStreet, I think I speak for everyone when I say I hate you and I'm tired of you making an ass out of yourself on every thread.

Anonymous said...

Not having any idea what Warren thinks, I can speak freely. I believe the reason he cares whose bed she is in is because it is a control issue. When you can't take lives, you just do the best you can.

onthestreet said...

I think I speak for everyone when I say I love you, but it's tiring to see you all make an ass of yourselves. There. Chew away.

Faithful Woman said...

atari

it means that warren told her to leave her husband and go be "married" to another man. it still isn't a free for all but it has become so scrambled that lives will never be the same.

warren has done more to destroy polygamy than any of it's sworn enemies have ever done.

Street
you sure do have a funny way of showing your love. I think I'd rather you didn't "love" me.

Anonymous said...

Fruity, you definitely do not and never will speak for me.

NAME

onthestreet said...

Ahh, Name(less), I don't speak well of you?

"Woe to you when all(men) speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets." (Lk. 6:26)

Now, Fruity Woman (excuse me, "Faithful" woman):
Yes, and God has a funny way too, allowing all kinds of pain and sorrow. Yet, we love you. You'll be okay, my dear.

Faithful Woman said...

I feel like I've been slimed.

ATAR_i said...

It's not slime it's vomit. OTS got spewed out, and he just stinks up every place he goes. We made him his own area because the smell is so acrid (and moreso by the day), but he doesn't stay there.

Atar hands faithful a virtual antiseptic pad (there, that should help).

onthestreet said...

STREET sprays atar roof and faithful (to what) with perfume and roses.

As a ring of gold in a swine's snout, so is a lovely woman who lacks discretion. (Prov. 11:22)

ATAR_i said...

Oh, it's OK OTS - we've gotten used to your smell, you'll make good bacon if nothing else (Faithful, do you want the gold ring - or perhaps we can split it?)

onthestreet said...

LOL

Anonymous said...

speechless? street. That's a first.

ATAR_i said...

I think streety is starting to like us (time for a tender moment).

mugwump said...

Has anyone drawn the conclusion that OTS my be a pseudonym for Warren Jeffs?

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, but if WJ can't preach any better than that, then the FLDS folks are in trouble. I shudder to think what might happen if they ever heard Billy Graham or Adrian Rogers. Come to think of it, could we pipe some audio into the new temple?

Faithful Woman said...

atar i

You can have the ring, I've gone one of my own. Thanks for the thought.

Anonymous said...

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Has anyone drawn the conclusion that OTS my be a pseudonym for Warren Jeffs?
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I think he must have a mutliple personality disorder. One for the Bible, One for Warren, One for semantics, One for Dr Seuss. (And one that is almost sane...sometimes)

Anonymous said...

Or just a blog virus?

Anonymous said...

Must be when he's taking his meds

mugwump said...

Anonymous 10:17

I have observed that anytime one from outside the "fold" of Warren's influence makes an intelligent comment or questions one of Warren's actions that OTS follows up almost immediately with "clip-spam." Long, rambling, an oblique tirade and sarcastic comments quoting from his/her pre-programed mantra.

I agree with Atar_i's observation that perhaps all his/her posts be ignored.

onthestreet said...

How so, my little mugwump, or shall we say muff-ball. You find mystery so mysterious and so irresistible, that you MUST RESPOND. Go ahead, prove me wrong. Stop replying if you can. Even IF you did succeed, all of you, you would simply leave the street clean for those onthestreet to enjoy the wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of our administrators in blogs and governments and heaven above.

Faithful Woman said...

Wasn't this string about watching the compound? So how come the pilot isn't posting here?

onthestreet said...

Maybe he learned to watch himself in the mirror, and not being without sin to not cast the first stone, except maybe to turn that plane and camera around and shoot himself (with a photo, that is).