Friday, April 15, 2005

How Many?

Could someone on the inside (of the FLDS) please tell me how many people now live at YFZ? Are people still slowly moving that way? How many are expected?

Has anyone been kicked out of YFZ yet?

134 comments:

Anonymous said...

The quantity of postings here appears to have dropped off consdierably, now that the Lifting Up and the beginning of the Destructions are no longer imminent.

Anonymous said...

Some disagreement about how many. YFZ people tell Sheriff Doran only 80-150.
Others who fly over say there's gotta be a lot more. The rapidity which they build would suggest a high number.

Yes there have been people kicked out at the YFZ, but they all went back to Utah or Arizona. Some are said to be living and working in Mesquite, NV, which is just down the raod from Short Creek.

Anonymous said...

I must say, something does seam to be happinging in Texas. I went to the store today, here in Colorado City. On the shelf was a tool that was usable. It looks like it will last awile. I declare, some one must be building like our pioners did. Look at it this way. They only had earth, rain, and sun. They wore cloths and put there oil upon the road. Think what you would do, If you walked all day, in mud. Think what you would do, if you had this Joy. Most people today, only have buttons to push. Just think. Push earth and toil.

Anonymous said...

Is nothing happening in Eldorado anymore? No FLDS(YFZ)sightings? No more flyovers? No new buildings going up? No more pictures? No more interest? Where is everyone?

Maybe they are taking a break. Maybe they are gathering more info. Maybe I should get a life and get away from this computer.

--Inquisitive

Stinger said...

5:30, ?????????????

Anonymous said...

Stinger, I'm afraid I'm with you. I think Ruth must have struck again, based on the sheer volume of logic in that 5:30 post.

Anonymous said...

OUCH!!

not Ruth, but I suppose that was a little spacey

sorry

--Inquisitive

Anonymous said...

the traffic does seem to have slowed down a lot but if you wantto read some very entertaining blogs go under the heading What Happened To This Blog and read texas cow girl comments they,re hillarious

Anonymous said...

Inquisitive, are you taking responsibility for both the 5:30 blog AND the 5:38 blog? Only the last one has your name signed to it. If indeed you are accountable for the 5:30 blog, please help us out: what is the usable tool and what else were you talking about?

Anonymous said...

Allan Steed, Ernie Jessop, Sydney Barlow, Preston Barlow, David Harker are five that were sent away from YFZ. Hell, talk about throwing away the cream and keeping the skim milk.

Anonymous said...

I will say this. a year or so ago, I went to the store. There was no products that would last more than five years. I heard a lot of critazisim, about the people in the Fundementle Morman Church. I pointed out, that the pioners wore cloths, worshiped Jesus and built better products than we do. What they built is still here. What we build will be gone in five years. The cars that you payed a mint for, will be rusting on our desert, in ten years. Some one must have put some integrity into there products. I found a new tool on the shelf. It looks like it will last a good long time. I was very impressed. I think, "why do they not put some of this inteligence into, our handicap citizins too. I think some of them would get better. Why not give the disabled something besides starving them to death, and drugs, that kill. God put the herbs upon the earth. Man does take them, distort them, charge you out-ragously, tell you there is absolutly no cure for your sickness, and charge you out the "rediculouse". People are healed every day. Like this: you have a cold. Ok. a cold lasts for seven days. Or five. Well, you go to the doctor. He does give you medicine for five to seven days. You have payed him too. If you go into the doctor, with cancer. You are told there is absolutly no cure. Yet, there are people who are cured every day. I know. With the herbs. There is no life in the food. Our farmers have turned to chemical food. Do you not ever wonder, why the people used to live for hundreds of years in Bible days. Well, maybe it is because they lived the way God planned for them too. Maybe they ate something besides drugs for food. Like rain, sand, sun, toil incorperated. Ruth

Anonymous said...

And to tell all you Texans who was wondering about the show: I think it would do you well, to see how my city grows. In the vally grass is green. In the mountian the rivers run. We have grown and grown again. Look at it like this: from texas over to the Californis coast, Deseret has boomed again.
Ruth

Anonymous said...

what does this have to do with anything?????????

Anonymous said...

Ruth, Ruth, Ruth, Ruth, Ruth. I thought we gave you your own little playground upon which to pontificate. Please run along now, theres a good girl. In case you missed it, the thread says "Ruth and Nothing But Ruth" at the top. That is where to post your thoughts on deserts and tools and such. Thanks again!

Anonymous said...

Inquisitive, it is a relief to know you are not responsible for the 5:30 post. I almost thought we'd lost you there for a minute. You mistakenly thought that I was accusing you of meandering when I said that Ruth struck again. Yeah, there does seem to be a slowdown in traffic, and it's too bad because these here comments were providing a small amount of hilarity in my small little dreary world.

Anonymous said...

The other guys I know, but who is David Harker? Is he Uncle Parley's son or grandson?

Anonymous said...

On the contrary, my friend the trafic has picked up pace. You need to look beyond your computer. May be your computer show has slowed a bit, but traffic has increased in my city. Ruth

Anonymous said...

11:20 Grandson. He was a very fine man. Lost a very fine family.

Anonymous said...

Was he married to the girl who made those music CDs? I understand that everybody who is kicked out, regardless of the reason, loses their family. I can't imagine the horrible loneliness.

Anonymous said...

no body kmow the loneniss that we go through or the hart brake i dont know how to till how bad it is and all the people that are still in think how grate it is to lose your family it is and be put out of your home with no were to go i know becouse i was one of the men that was told to go

Anonymous said...

Why do men (?) just go without any sign of a struggle or fight? I can't imagine abandoning my family just because some runt named Warren Jeffs said to. Aren't there any fighters in the FLDS Church? Do you need to hire someone to come kick Warren's ass?

What a mess you guys have created. No wonder all the women want Warren. Apparently he's the only man in the FLDS Church.

Anonymous said...

1:55 you're not seeing the big picture. They've trained all their women (children) into believing all this crap. Even if they put up a fight, the women are going to do whatever Jeffs says regardless. And without their women these men have nothing.

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

Where do you get the information that all these men were kicked out? Where does the Eldorado Success get the information that something was said in a work meeting about April 6th? Enlighten me because I did not hear it and as far as I know these men were never kicked out.

Anonymous said...

Hey 12:17 Doesn't it surprise you that these fellows wives are now with other men? Go over to old buddy Willie Timpsons place and you will see one of Allan Steeds wives now lives there. Another lives with Ken Johnson. Oh yea, you guys don't care do you?

Anonymous said...

play nice children. Yes they are being told to leave the community by Warren, and their families are given to other men. This doesn't mean that all of them do leave town, but they do become shunned by their family and those that used to welcome them. It's a sad situation.

--inquisitive

Anonymous said...

Now keep sweet geldings, power stud prophet is in control and all is well in ex-zion . . .

Anonymous said...

To the one wondering if somebody is somebody's son OR Grandson.

Normal folks would consider those two to be self-exclusive.

But in Colorado City, you can be both somebody's father AND grandfather!

What a country!

Anonymous said...

....or two childhood friends to become each others step-mothers

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Anonymous said...

Keep in mind that Warren is looking for around 2500, mostly women and children. Since there is around 12,000 in Colorado City, I don't think that many people will notice 2500 women and younger children have been moved to Texas.

Anonymous said...

once again... WHO is ruth? Simply please.

Anonymous said...

So i guess my biggest question is whats going on now? doesn't anyone think that NOW is the time Warren will do something, while nobody is looking.

Paladin for Truth said...

Thought of the day:

What is called vice today will be called virtue by Warren tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

What's next for Warren, you ask? Well that's fairly simple to figure. He's an egomaniac and a clever one at that. He's going to try to play eldorado just like he plays his own. So far so good. Start with that little joke on the media...worked quite well. The media will now think twice about coming out there again. That big white elephant is going to start doing it's little job as well. Each and every morning you all will be waking up with sweet sick reminder of what lurks in your backyard. But with each and every awakening you'll be but the slightest bit less annoyed, less disturbed. As the days, weeks, months pass you'll soon become numb...comfortably numb. It will become invisible. When friends and family come to visit for the first time, they'll be alarmed. "what the heck is that thing!?.. " they'll ask. You'll reply "oh that's just the place where people have sex with children and espouse them to have more ...no big deal...they never bother us..."

As for all those castaways? They'd much rather join back up than change things. Warren will have them suspended for years dangling the carrot of redemption. Sure, they'll cry, piss and moan, but not dare do something stupid like take legal action or cooperate with the authorities. In fact I wish all the luck to all those lawsuits....no witnesses, no cooperation, no motivation...nope no chance.

No I'm afraid this whole giant mess that has grown for over a century, rests firmly on the backs of your little tiny town. It's them against you with the welfare of thousands of american children at stake. Texas cowgirl has the spirit...how about the rest of you all?

keep sweet eldorado
stg

Paladin for Truth said...

The states of Utah and Arizona just need a few men to come forth and testify of an underage marriage that they witnessed by Warren and then they will take more action. They are even willing to not hold the father of the girl at fault for allowing the marriage to proceed. They can't even get one witness at this point. If they can get one witness to say "Warren married my 15-17 year old daughter to so and so as his plural wife", they will take action. This won't fix the past, but it will surely keep more girls from being forced into the beds of men they don't love and don't want to be with. It will keep wives with the men that they married and love and not in another man's bed adulterating themselves. What Warren is doing is nothing close to any form of Christianity anywhere in the world. Christ has always been about preserving marriage.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Paladin:

Warren Jeffs is the anomally here, the gross abberation of fundamentalist doctrine. He and his unchristian policies bear no resemblance to the sincere advocacy of original Mormonism.

Let the word go forth that the FLDS Church according to Warren Jeffs is not fundamentalist doctrine in principle or practice.

Anonymous said...

One problem with taking action in a situation like this is that there are women (plural) women happily married to men and living wonderful lives. THESE are not the ones that need to be moved. But taking action or testifying about the underage marriages forces them to rat out themselves... its unfair. SO in order to get witnesses these people have to decide to through their own content and happy lives away... theres got to be another way.

Anonymous said...

11:04,

Warren Jeffs is head (president, self-appointed prophet) of the FLDS, is he not?

I don't understand why the supposed 10,000 members of the FLDS don't rise up and toss him out!

What is the problem? He represents your entire group, anomally or not. What he is doing within your group is shameful, but those who allow it with their silence are just as guilty!

-disgusted onlooker

Anonymous said...

happy wonderful lives? maybe invite the good folks of eldorado over to the ranch and see for themselves...

BTW you know, inmates find ways to be happy in prison too

keep sweet eldorado,
stg

Just my opinion said...

When the life you're living is your choice then yes, it is happy wonderful lives. And I'm not saying that the people living with Warren are perfectly happy... not at all. My only argument is that they are not the only people living in polygamous relationships. So if you want to go after people who are marrying underage, or sex offenders, monogamist or polygamist, be my guest. I just think its highly unconstitutional to lump them all together... just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Disgusted onlooker:

11:04 PM answering your "why not throw him out" question.

First, Warren Jeffs and his group are not true orthodox fundamentalists. His members certainly should throw the imposter out.

What most confused cowboy type bloggers on this site don't realize is, Warren Jeffs and his followers are not a true representation of Fundamentalist Mormonism. He leads (drives) only a dwindling number that are still his supporters. Those who are not his supporters either never were associated with him (like me), or have already thrown him out--the rest are still trying to function on their brain stems without any power of reasoning.

Again, it is not the case that all fundamentalist are Warrenites. On the contrary, only an abberant few have fallen to this level of subserviant, euphoric elitism.

Anonymous said...

I agree with "just my opinion." There are many happy and fulfilled people living what they consider to be, religiously mandated polygamy.

They don't condone or participate in under age marriages and view abuse with the same abhorance as does any other decent human being. They are honest, hard working, self reliant and well educated Americans, who pay taxes and contribute to society in many constuctive ways.

Why shouldn't they have the same rights to associate (as consenting adults) as the gay men in the Lawrence case or any heterosexual pairing in a given relationship?

To brand all polygamists as Warrenites is a gross injustice and cannot be supported in truth or equity. Consenting adult polygamists are entitled to equal protection under the law the same as any other American, regardless of Warren Jeffs and his exclusive brand of decadence.

Anonymous said...

Getting back to the thread, "How Many?"

It has just been observed that four more family's have moved to Texas from Colorado City/Hildale.

Warren's brother and a former UEP trustee, Leroy Jeffs, was among them.

The ranks of the "faithful" are tightening. C-J's, a gas station, auto parts store and fast food stop was closed this week by prophetic edict. It may not be the end of the world just yet, but its definitely the end of C-J's.

Stay tuned to this thread for more details, as the world turns . . .

Paladin for Truth said...

I am not encouraging anyone to break up one more marriage, plural wives included. What I am encouraging is to put a stop to this practice that Warren Jeffs has deemed as good and holy. This practice of breaking up families and forcing young girls into mens beds that they don't love. Any man and his wife or many wives have every right to be left alone in their beliefs and religious practice. These families sure do not have to turn their young daughters over to Warren Jeffs. Sad enough though, if a man even hesitates on having one of his young daughters married off a little young, he is stripped of all, the wives remarried elsewhere and the daughter is still married off. This is the practice that should be stopped and the states of Utah and Arizona are willing to help. I know that the fathers of these young girls can see the fear and horror in their young daughters eyes at age 16, as the father tries to explain to his young and tender daughters, that God and the profit (prophet) always do right and the man that "Uncle Warren" places them with is Gods will. I see no problem with these girls waiting until they are 18-19-20 or older. Warren's problem with it is at age 19 a girl can see that all Warren's crap really is crap and she then decides that she just wants to go live a normal life.

All through the time of those who believe in Plural Marriage, there have been girls that grow up and want to live plural marriage and have a happy life doing so, they should be left alone in their belief. There have also been girls that have no interest in being a plural wife, that should be respected as well. In the past the leaders have been wise enough to recognize this. Warren has had to lower the marriage age to a point where he can still control the girls, all of them. Warren has taken away any choice that the girl may have. He has to marry them young so they are too scared to say no to Warren, no to their father and no to their mother. Warren knows that if he let them all wait until they were 19, not very many would do what he tells them to. So fathers, do what you have to, make sure that Warren understands that your daughters always did and always will have a choice on how they choose to marry and whom. Fathers, make sure your daughters understand that they can wait as long as they want before they marry. We don't need to go around breaking up families, but we sure can take the fear away from our young girls.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone shed anymore light on CJ's. I heard it was bringing too much worldly influence or something into the communnity???

Anonymous said...

The women have the power to keep their families together if they will realize it. Not all of the kick-outs are week and sniveling, begging to be let back in.

Some of us are even building our own lives again. Not all of us are uneducated. The big question mark are the folks who know better but go along with it anyway. Quite possibly because they helped to build this monster of the prophet is right no matter what he says or does. Pride.
And they stand at risk of loosing everything they have if they contradict Warren at this point. Fear.
a woman who stayed with her man

Paladin for Truth said...

Well put, you who stayed with her man.

Anonymous said...

Stand by your man girl--you'll be glad you did.

Anonymous said...

That is the most Mormon thing I have read here for awhile. Stay with your man! All you Mormons out there, stay with your man! You children, stay with your father! You fathers, stay with your family! You families, stay with your faith! What is the matter with all of you who have left? What kind of a jackass religion is it anyway that would involve itself in destroying families? The suffering is intense. When will this stupidity end?

just my opinion said...

I agree that the underage marriages should be stopped, and I agree with paladin. The girls that don't want to grow up and have anything with Plural marriage should be respected with thier choices. But what about the ones that do? That have seen it lived successfully? shouldn't their choices be respected as well. As for Warren, take him down,... just make sure you have your eye on the goal, or in the process you'll tear apart more families than he has. Keeping families together, polygamist or monogamist should be our primary goal.

Anonymous said...

to 3:24

What you said makes sense other than that is exactly what the Mormon church did to families that were polygamous 60 to 100 plus years ago. Maybe you should check your own history before saying staying with your families is Mormon. but then again I guess what Warren is doing is simply Mormon happening again. History does repeat itself doesn’t it?

Anonymous said...

3:24 -- "When will this stupidity end?"

When you pull up your boot-straps and start kicking...Texas style

(see "where have all the cowboys gone" in the song parody section)...see what I mean

keep sweet eldorado
stg

just my opinion said...

I still say it's sticky business... one bad apple spoiling the whole bushel. Warren should be stopped, and in this age where we put men on the moon for crying out loud, we can't figure out a way to stop one 'bad apple' without having to trash the whole bushel. Come on people... America is supposed to be an intelligent nation, and all I've seen through this thing is a whole lot of spectulation and not too many facts. Someone from the inside needs to report something solid that we can get Warren on, but they probably fear the same thing I've been talking about. Tearing apart families that don't need to be torn apart. It's criminal to do that... these poor kids have seen enough of that... sorry for rambling, just makes me tired.

Anonymous said...

Warren, Warren, Warren! It's all about Warren. Don't any of you remember those who came before him? The John Y's, the Uncle Roy's, the Uncle Rich's, the Uncle Fred's, Uncle Dell Timpson, Uncle Marion Hammon....the list goes on and on and encompasses the who's who that created the little dirty creek. They all were guilty of taking underage wives, or performing marriages for them. People say it was different back then, but I say a 13year old is a 13year old, not a wife. These men that set up arranged marriages, and encouraged the acts of sex with young girls are responsible for Warren. They set you all up for him and what he has done. You people in Centennial Park think that you are so much better because your leaders have not gone as far off the deep end as Warren. But there is still abuse taking place under the pretense of Religion. The community was founded on a dirty principle. People have been raised to know no different. When someone has a sexual problem with a child the leaders keep it quiet. Polygamy is a breeding ground for evil upon children.

The cycle will continue.
Warren is a by-product. It can happen anywhere where the rules are being bent. Centennial Park, BEWARE! The next Warren could be growing in your midst!

Anonymous said...

To 1:07 AM, in regard to Centennial Park:

We own our own minds, our own property and our own businesses in Centennial Park, and have demonstrated enough intelligence to make our own choices. When all the sheeple followed their one-man idol we said no damn way. When they tried to make us "tenants at will" we filed a law suit and won the right to the equity in our homes.

Centennial Park is part of free America, where inalienable rights and freedoms are defended and upheld. And ownership of property protects those rights. Why would free thinking men and women want to go back to the Gulag Archipeligo that Warren Jeffs epitomizes?

And yes, we're tired of the FLDS school board and superintendant for their reckless management of the public school that they've bankrupted. Their annual tax increase is becoming so burdomsome that we'll probably have to sue them as well because the FLDS members(sheep)are too dumb to kick them out.

From the beginning of this nation its been about freedom. Every group and every cause has had to fight for it. Why can't FLDS members defend themselves from being totally raped by Warren Jeffs? It is repeatedly asked on this blog, "Would the 'MEN' of Colorado City/Hildale please stand up and defend yourselves." If not, then go join the geldings as texas cow girl has suggested.

Oh, and you might try watching reruns of Mel Gibson's movie "Braveheart" for a little inspiration . . . F R E E D O M!!

Anonymous said...

Does anybody know what those big buildings on the YFZ are for. Does anybody know who live in the houses.

ATAR said...

Warren gets all the attention - because that's what he wanted. It's not because of his sparkling personality or suave character - it's only because he's a little ninny stomping his feet until he gets attention.

Now, I'll grant as an outsider who never realized the perversion existed here in the United states it's been a real eye opener - and so his attention getting behaviors - have brought his group - attention.

But my Lord, polygamy women - wake up! It's not for you, it's so men can have an excuse to bang a few extra women - and young ones, and still be 'a man of god' - even a 'better man' for banging more.

Hey - that's not a problem for men to bugger a few women - they LIKE that. It's harder to stay with one. Polygamy is the PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE.

And, the path of least resistance makes men and rivers crooked.

To all the crooked men - I hope your days of this bugger fest are over - to all the women - oh my Lord - WAKE UP, walk away, see something more for yourself than a breeder of children - you are more - there is more. Kids are great - but there is something you can do in addition to that

'All Truth and Righteousness" ATAR

Anonymous said...

The path of least resistance?:

I think it's quite obvious what the path of least resistance is, it has been perfectly modeled by a nation of serial monogamists with a divorce rate of over sixty per cent and climbing.

Forty million abortions is certainly the path of least resistance--how's that for "truth and righteousness?"

And what about the 1.7 children that they do finally accept the responsibility for? They are parcelled out to a one parent visitation right wondering why they can't have a normal family.

What is normal any more in America? Homosexuality is legally defended as a human right and it's condemmed by the Bible. Plural marriage is modeled in the Bible by Patriarch's who are the father's of Israel and were blessed by God.

I'm not defending Warren Jeffs by any means. I'm defending the Bill of Rights. John F. Kennedy said, ". . . the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened."

Prosecute abuse, fraud, extortion and crime in general, but if you prosecute a religious belief as old as the Bible, then the separation of church and state is meaningless and the State determines religious conscience.

And what about equal protection under the law? The recent Lawrence case has taken government (includung Mark Shurtleff) out of the bedroom of consenting adults.

Go ahead and have your forty million abortions if that's your religious belief, but don't be hypocrites with your righteous pontifications and persecute those who cherish life more abundantly.

Why not make a documentary on your own moral conscience America? Hugh Hefner could produce it and Larry Flint could direct. I have a fitting title for it.

"Where have all the fetus's gone?" Or here's one even better:

"Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth," now playing at your local dumpster.

just my opinion said...

12:49,

I agree. The path of least resistance is defined perfectly there, thank you. That's what I've been trying to say for awhile now. We need to stick to the real issues.

Anonymous said...

holy freakin cow!!!
theres some tempers a flarin!!!
just wondering, I thought that Whorrin Jeffs decreed that there be no tv internet or anything, who is sneaking internet in Colorado City and posting here????

Anonymous said...

You should have the right to practice polygamy among consenting adults. But first you should be required to have your reproductive organs removed or shut down. And any exisiting children sent to live in a clean normal environment.
You have children, and put them into your sick relationships. Where is the consent form for the fetus?
The children are then raised into your disfunctional beliefs, and they have never been given the choice to have anything different. Tell me about the FREEDOM in that. Braveheart can't be compared to what you do. Fetus's cannot wear kilts and fight to be allowed to be born into a monogamous family!
I would have rather been raised in a family with divorce than the family of many mothers fighting for the attention of one father. Where is the love for children, when the parents are selfishly worring about their own complex relationships.
When do the children come first?
-GBNF

Anonymous said...

Dear GBNF:

How do you manage to keep all those stereotypes in one little brain?

I was raised in a loving, nurturing, CLEAN environment with multiple mothers who loved me. I didn't see the "fight for the one father's attention" that you seem to think is a part of this family structure.

What do you define as a "normal" family? One father, one mother, both with multiple sex partners prior to the marriage, then divorced, remarried... Angry, hurt, full of issues about their "complex" relationships. Raise a child in this environment, and he's going to having difficulty committing, he'll have trust issues. . .he/she will have a whole plethora of issues that we could name just by going to the local therapist. Should "sterilization" be the norm for every divorced couple?

You're not required to agree with my choices, but you have no right dictating them. Civil rights isn't about having the majority and therefore the loudest voice, it's about protecting the rights of all of us.

Anonymous said...

To GBNF:

Defend your fetus genocide if you wish. Praise your no-fault-divorce and one-parent family's as well. You're welcome to these choices if that's what you want. But what social credibility can you claim from ownership and promotion of this model of Americana?

If you have a Constitutional right to choose the lifestyle mentioned above, then we have the Constitutional right to choose our lives as consenting adults. I don't expect you to understand my religious belief and culture, I certainly don't understand your's. But the paladium of rights belongs to all Americans equally.

GBNF, I'm not in any way affiliated with the FLDS Church, nor have I ever been. I don't care what Warren Jeff's religion is, or anyone elses for that matter. The FREEDOM I'm talking about is the right of consenting adults to choose for themselves (including homosexuals) and determine their own individual pursuit of happiness.

Oh, by the way GBNF, seven members of my family have obtained Associate Degrees, three have obtained Batchelors Degrees, and two have obtained Masters Degrees. I'm not on welfare, in fact I detest welfare and teach self reliance and hard work as the tools to independence and happiness. I abhore child abuse, spousal abuse or any other type of abuse. I am the champion of free agency and teach my family that they are free to choose for themselves, but must own the consequences of their choices. Not all have chosen my religion and lifestyle. I still love them and they still love me. The children in my family are not deprived of anything. They have TV, internet, print media and access to five automobiles. Because of our work ethic they have money which they earn themselves, in fact, one daughter worked her way through college, graduated Summa Cum Laude and received honorary recognition above all of her peers in the entire college--And on top of it all, she sent money home--how's that for self reliance?

People judge us without any clue of factual reality. I know many polygamists who are millionaires, highly educated, and models of the communtiy. Warren Jeffs is an embarrassment to fundamentalism. Please don't judge us all by this Machiavellian imposter.

Anonymous said...

Bet their millions are gone if Warren has anything to do with it.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me what happened to the wives that Allen Steed left behind in Texas? My friend is one of the women's relative and he wants to know what happened to her.

Anonymous said...

To 4:50 am,"FREEDOM".
That was well said.

Anonymous said...

hey mr from the park. You may be light years ahead of the CC gang, but your marriages are still based on the same premise. Whether or not you're vulnerable from a hostile takeover in not a matter of what you think but rather what your wives believe.

In the free world women don't share their mates...think about it.

keep sweet eldorado,
stg

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous 10:21,
I speak not of sterotypes, I speak of personal experience. I have never seen a polygamous family that did not have pain, either emotional or physical and in cases both. I ask you to consider the children that you bring into these relationships. You have obiviously not been given the choice either. If you were born and raised in this lifestyle, the chances are that you were programed with the religious teachings and probly dare not to live any other way. Why would you assume that in a monogamous relationship both partners are cheating on each other?
I answer for you because that is what you have been told by those that created and perpetuated your religion.
I challenge you to name the "nuturing, clean family environment" that you were raised in. Every family has some dysfunction. In polygamy it is magnified. I think that if you say your many mothers were all loving, you are lying! Are you like the Joanne Timpsons we see on TV, that preach the glory of plural marriage but chose a man that would not live it? Or the Marlene Hammon that talks of her wonderous marriage even though her husband has beaten her. Perhaps it is a wonderful marriage because she has seen no different. Maybe he quit the beatings, so she is happy now!
I said: Stop having the babies! I did not say kill the babies! Give the babies to a family that will value them and give them opportunties for Freedom of choice in the life they want to lead. You are taking away the childs choice by showing them nothing but polygamy!
GBNF

Anonymous said...

To anonymous 11:43,
I have known polygamous millionaires too. Like Jack Knudson, yes what a wonderful man, he adopted daughters and raped them. Education, money and still dirty.....hmmmm
GBNF

Anonymous said...

I can't imagine that Jack Knudson raped anyone, he spent his life in a wheelchair.

Anonymous said...

GBNF Where are you getting your information on Jack Knudson and did you personally know him?He was wheelchairbound as long as I knew him.

Anonymous said...

Jack Knudson had absolutely no feeling below his waist. He was a quadraplegic long before he adopted the children of society's unwed mothers.

ATAR said...

Firstly I will acknowledge other polygamist groups might not be as morally bankrupt as Warrens group. Having only seen the waste products of his rulership, and the path of destruction - it is the only thing I base my comments on, and cannot address another, perhaps the less destructive practice of other groups.

Secondly, to the man who thinks non FLDS is the path of least resistance - and that buggering multiple young virgins and getting welfare IS HARD. I'd like to see your point of view, I just can't get my head that far up my a**.

In the four generations on my fathers side there has been only one dissolution of marriage - and it is a very large family. Why? Respect, love, family. No one was molested, most went to college, most my cousins have jobs, homes families.

I was a virgin on my wedding night, so was my sister - we were in our mid 20's. Alchohol never touched my lips til age 27 when I had a Margarita at a Mexican restaurant. I was raised proper and with a Christian upbringing - no abortions either.

So, I'm not from a family of divorce, or molestations, or abuses, or abortions. I have slept with less men (just one) than most of your wives.

And, anyhow - you will be one of society's biggest problems when your blood atonement either happens or doesn't happen. The fallout either way will make you like a Waco and Jonestown - but that's what you want isn't it?

You are no different - no more special, and the power you weild over people loudly proclaims 'how little your steeple really is'.

A real man - a real man would never shame his women, break the hearts of his daughters, throw away his sons, steal from his neighbors, and destroy his friends - your the worst kind of fiend. You will be human stain left on the pages of history in the itty bitty print.

The only reason your followers haven't figured it out yet, is because you have kept them largely uneducated, guaranteeing they have no options but yours, no ideas other than yours - it's the only way you can keep them. If you let them choose, opened the gates, stopped threatening them, you might see a slow trickle then a stead stream and finally a torrent of souls running from your compound - I DARE YOU!

Anonymous said...

About Jack,

Ask his daughters. There are other ways to rape, besides using what is below the waist.
So perhaps I am in error. I realize that naming a name based on a story from someone else is distracting from the real issues. And I apologize for trying to use something I was told, and did not personally witness. But I believed the story because of the state of the daughters today. They show all the classic signs of abuse. They live sad lives.
And yes I did know Jack. He was not an honest man.

GBNF

Anonymous said...

Hey, does anyone happen to know who the new second counselor is now that Uncle Fred is dead?
Seems like the people who still believe in it all would know, but nobody does. It's really interesting how everything Warren does is a secret from his followers, but everyone else in the world knows about it. Like Eldorado. Nobody who follows him knew where he went, but all the rest of us saw it on the news. I can't figure this guy out. Everything is a big fat secret from the people who need and deserve most to know. Weird.

Anonymous said...

Weird seems to apply to everything Warren does and should tell his followers that, "There's something weird about Warren."

I don't know who his second councilor is, but his first councilor has always been satan.

Anonymous said...

In a free world women don't share their mates?? Did I really just read that? PLEASE! Is this why every 1 in 4 people in American today have a sexually transmitted disease. Go watch an episode of Jerry Springer and then come back and post that!

Anonymous said...

GBNF
not every family in CC are polygamous, less than half, so there is plenty of example for both polygamy and monogamy for our children to see.

You know, you are just like a Warrenite inlaw who tried to tell me that I don't support my husband in going against Warren. To you I say the same as I said to him: DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME WHAT I DO OR DO NOT SUPPORT MY HUSBAND IN!

I love my children, I wanted every one of them and will never give them up. Breaking up families has never been looked kindly upon. Forced sterilization? Where are we? China? Would you give up your children or right to have them? Why should I?

Second counselor
Well, at Uncle Fred's funeral, William Timpson was wearing a white tie, a symbol of status in the FLDS.

woman who stayed with her man-

Anonymous said...

And have you considered, that the news is full of lies. We love Warren Jeffs. He is our apple pie, delight. Desert in our deserette', raining skies. It is raining. What is your weather like?

Anonymous said...

In a free society women don't share their mates?

The situation is like this:

Some woman knowingly share their mates--the rest just don't find out about it . . .

onthestreet said...

Anonymous Said:
We love Warren Jeffs. He is our apple pie, delight. Desert in our deserette', raining skies. It is raining. What is your weather like?

4/25/2005 4:15 PM

Street's Reply: Yes, he is all this, and far more. If the world knew him truly, they would flock to him like bees to honey. That is a fact. How so? For what he knows, and for what holds, and for what he gives, and for how he lives.

disgusted said...

To women in the free world don't knowingly share their mates:
I believe you're actually right for once...hiding in the shadows not taking responsibility for your sexual actions is WAY better than accepting them. (please catch the sarcasm if your IQ is high enough)

And for the record, is there ANY other issue here besides multiple sex partners, because that seems to be a GLOBAL issue... not necessarily just CC.

Paladin for Truth said...

Is the brainwashing of young girls into making them think that if they fall in love with some boy their age is wrong and they will be damned, right? This seems like the natural way girls are made, they seem to like boys their age. Yet at ages 14-15-16-17 they are forced into marriages to the elite of King Warren and they are so scared that they won't make it into heaven that they don't dare say no. Warren teaches that the husband should be the one to train them about sexual relations, how nice. Sounds like hell for the 15 year old girls to me. Warren teaches that not 1 year should pass without children being born under the new and everlasting covenant of marriage. This means that a 15 year old will have 5-6 children by the time she turns 21. We don't really need laws to try to stop this, we just need the parents to wake up. We need the parents to start coming forth with information. Parents need to start thinking of their girls again. Some girls may want to fall in love with a boy and live a life with one man and one wife and a few children. I know of no place in the Bible or Book of Mormon that say that a girl can't live this way if she wants to. Presidents Barlow, Johnson, Hammon, Musser, Jessop, Holm, Kelch, Zitting and others did not seem to have a problem with this. Why is everyone forgetting this and listening to king warren.

Anonymous said...

The commandment "Not one year shall pass without children being born under this new and everlasting covenant" (celestial marriage), was given to the prophet John Wooley, to see to it that marriages continued after the church abandoned their principles. Never has Warren Jeffs taught anyone that they had to have a kid every year, or when to have a kid for that matter. This idea is foolish and should be abandoned for the sake of ur own IQ.

Also along the same line. The commandment "Multiply and Replenish the Earth" given to many couples, was never meant to say "have a lot of kids", though many have interpreted it this way as a commandment of God. Parents that voluntarily have more kids than they can support should be a lot smarter and take responsiblity for their actions, but the blame should never be placed on the one that placed them in marriage.

AB

onthestreet said...

Anonymous Said: I said: Stop having the babies! I did not say kill the babies! Give the babies to a family that will value them and give them opportunties for Freedom of choice in the life they want to lead. You are taking away the childs choice by showing them nothing but polygamy!
GBNF

4/22/2005 4:18 PM

Street's Reply: First of all, this is but only 25% of the post, so it's not a repost, just a small portion of one to make the point:

Ah yes, you are telling everyone to stop having babies. Who are you to dictate to God, how many children that he will create and have come unto him? Then you advocate giving them away.

Very indicative of your crimes, as a society.

Anonymous said...

Street Fruit,

I do not dictate to God.
I ask that human beings use the tools, that God has provided us with, to control our procreation. Think before you bring a child into the world. Think about what you can offer that child. And give the future a chance for something other than ****ed up, disfunctional street fruit.

GBNF

Anonymous said...

warren jeffs= "american" (apple) "pie"? perfect!LOL!

Anonymous said...

AB, you say the law was given after the church abandoned its princples. But John Taylor got the revelation in 1886 and the church did away with plural marriage in 1890. I don't think the church is guilty of abandoning anything. Simple math and history can prove that.

Anonymous said...

You are right about John Taylor receiving the revelation. I'm sorry. However, the mainstream church did abandon the principle of Celestial Marriage (wich includes the plurality of wives). A simple look into history proves that.

just my opinion said...

I have just one question... why would ANY MAN that Warren has de-familied WANT to get back in his good graces? Their family is already gone, wives are already in another man's bed... what good will it do to get back? Just looking for some understanding.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
Street Fruit,

I do not dictate to God.
I ask that human beings use the tools, that God has provided us with, to control our procreation. Think before you bring a child into the world. Think about what you can offer that child. And give the future a chance for something other than ****ed up, disfunctional street fruit.

GBNF

4/26/2005 10:47 PM

Street's Reply: A short enough repost, and soooo many "Anony-
mouses', and a post far enough back, that perhaps a pretext won't be used against it.

As for the post: Ah yes, you ask that people just use the procreative tools that God has provided us with. I think that means "Let the little children come." After all, if you kill them or stop them from coming, then you're not USING the tools God gives, you MISUSE and abort them. Big difference, yes?

As for giving them a chance? Well, if you birth-control them, or abort them, what chance is that? No chance for life at all, wouldn't every half-nitwit have to agree with that? Of course.

Now, as for that disfunctional street fruit: It is quite a skill to survive in such conditions, in fact very funtional. Besides, having fruit on the street for poor wayfaring men of grief to feast upon and enable them to survive is very useful as well, shall we say, very funtional.

onthestreet said...

Just My Opinion (See, no repost needed here. It's rescent enough for a direct reply:

Street's Reply: Why would any defamilied man want to get back to the Prophet? What good? It's called belief. The believer shall be saved. It's called order. Only those united with that order have any chance or good left. That's my belief, and the belief of thousands. Thank God for believers. It's called truth. There is no other truth. That's my belief. Thank God for believers.

And so, if there is no other, you eventually find yourself coming home, and finding your ultimate function in life. What normal individual doesn't like coming home. Anyone else is just, well, disfunctional.

Anonymous said...

Street Fruit,

It is so funny, how you can take something and change the meaning to suit your own personal disfunction. I am an advocate for birth control. Abortion is on the head of those that choose it. I would not want to be that person. But as always, you managed to take birth control and turn it into abortion. Bravo! What a genius you are!

No wayfaring man, woman or child would be hungry enough for your rotten, sour flesh.

GBNF

Paladin for Truth said...

Ok, let me see if I get this straight. You are stripped of all your family, because supposedly you have done something that you can't repent from and have lost your Priesthood, thus you can't exalt your family at the time of the resurrection. From all the scripture I can find this would be adultery and murder, as they are sins that can never be forgiven and once you commit these sins you lose all Priesthood. I also understand that sinning against the Holy Ghost can't be forgiven, this sin is to see and meet Jesus Christ and feel his hand and then deny him and turn against him. Now many have not done any of these things, but have got the same punishment. They have lost their families for some unknown sin that causes them to lose their Priesthood and thus their families. But, if you are real good you can get back in. You can get rebaptised and get the Priesthood back. It is my understanding that if you commit a crime great enough to lose your Priesthood you can never get it back and are not going to heaven and will be destroyed at the time of the Resurrection, because you hold no Priesthood. Anyway, you get baptised again and get the Priesthood again and then get another wife which you can exalt, because you have repented. If you are now able to exalt this new family, then obviously you did not turn altogether therefrom, your sin was not really that bad and was probably just a weakness that God gave to us all to keep us humble. You could have overcome this weakness over time and exalted your first family too. So King Warren contradicts himself or one of these days everyone is going to find out that they are not getting back in, to prevent this contraction from forming and King Warren having to answer it. King Warren is no friend of the Savior and contradicts almost every form of written teachings of Christ there is in print. This sounds like the job of Lucifer with his minion Warren at his side. So my question is, if you can't exalt your first family at the resurrection, how can you ever exalt any more??

onthestreet said...

Paladin for "truth:"

Street's Reply: Okay, let's see if there is any truth left in you:

1. No, you didn't get it straight; crooked as a dog's hind leg in the mobs of Milan.

2. Stripped of all my family, and thus living adultery and murder? Sorry Pud (that is, Palad): Never had a family of my own. Rather, waiting on the Lord as he waits on me. So much false presumption on your part.

3. Can't repent? Yes, the Lord helped me to repent, and thus here am I Lord, at your service.

4. Adultery? You can never commit adultery if you don't look upon a woman to lust after her, and are never with another man's wife. Agreed? This is where I'm at, and praises not to me, but the Lord. He did it.

5. Murder? You can never commit murder if you don't rob another of the life of body or spirit. Agreed? This is where I'm at, and praises not to me, but the Lord. He does quite the opposite in me, to the point of encouraging you to be pure and meek, obedient and prayerful to the Lord and to his servant upon the earth. If you are so fortunate as to find that man, and by this process obtain life and that eternal, quite the opposite of murder. Agreed?

6. Yes, "those evicted have lost their families for some unknown sin that causes them to lose their Priesthood and thus their families,
but if you are real good you can get back in," as you just now said.
See, there is indeed hope and mercy and life, if YOU choose life. So if there is adultery and murder, you commit it yourself, you see?

7. Furthermore, it is for "some unknown sin," again as you just now said. See, it was left unknown, between you and God to work out. So let's hop to. Let's work it out. Smile at yourself, and smile at the Lord. You now see that he loves you. Don't be among the wimps that druel and weep and wail in sin, being without hope, and depressed. The Lord lifts you up, IF you will be lifted up. He just won't force you into heaven. So there are many now who are FREE (not forced), to repent from afar, and then to return to your natural roots.

8. As for you understanding that losing your Priesthood is being damned to eternal hell, your understanding is false (again). Hosts have lost their priesthood, even prophets have lost it, and all humanity, all the prophets, except for Christ, who was the only perfect man. All others have sinned, and therefore their priesthood left them during that period. BUT, BUT! When they repented, they were administered to again and became prophets and saints and angels. This puts you in a GREAT class of beings, if you will accept it (like they did).

9. As for losing one family, and then because of that, "how can you gain and exalt another, if you can't the first? Well, ummm, Job did it. He lost his first, and gained far more. In fact, ALL the prophets have lost much, but what is lost is not lost to the Lord. He notices even a sparrow when it falls, and not one hair of your head is lost unnoticed.

Quit dribbling and cheer up. Do well, and it will be well with you. Then you are Paladin for Truth.

onthestreet said...

To Anonymous:

Yes, birth control is akin to abortion. If you prevent the little ones from "coming unto me," then you have taken their life, akin to killing them.

No, robbery isn't burglary, but they sure are akin, are they not? The first robs the opportunity that someone had, and the other attacks what they have. Akin.

Anonymous said...

Street-

Assuming you are right, and I'm definitely not saying you are, and the world would flock to Warren if they knew him, then why does he hide his light under a bushel?
If he could bring about world peace and bring love and harmony to the masses, isn't his hiding from even his own faithful followers harsh cruelty, plain and simple?

I do commend you on the clean up of your language, and not being quite so abusive in your reply posts.
Since you are so intelligent, it wouldn't be too hard for you to understand a need to get along with those people you are stuck with. Since Warren has cast you out and you are not yet able to get back in, if ever, you should take a bit of time to study pschycology and human relations. That may help you to get "good" attention instead of "bad" attention. Like little kindergarten students where polite and kind behavior earns praise, and unruly behavior earns reprimands.
Give it a thought Street, it seems like you are stuck out here in the big bad world, you may as well prosper as much as you can, and who knows, when you can show Warren how successful you are he may (ha ha) invite you back. Sorry to break the serious advice, it was just such an impossible quest.

Motherly Advice

Paladin for Truth said...

Street, you bring out a good point, Lucifer came to God and asked permission to strip Job of all he had, God did not tell him to do it, Lucifer demanded that he should get to. God had no interest in having Job's marriage broke apart, still Lucifer demanded. God told Lucifer he could strip Job of all he had, but could not kill him. So you are comparing the current strippings to Job, I do too. Lucifer stripped Job in his day and Lucifer is stripping people in our day as well. I believe that if these men that have been stripped by Lucifer at the hand of his minion Warren will repent and believe in the true teachings of Christ and start studying the Gospel of Jesus Christ again, they will learn that they can go find someone who can truly offer repentance in the name of Christ and be forgiven and start over like Job did. Rest assured though, they will never get all that Job got back through any avenue that the minion Warren has to offer, as you have noticed, Warren is doing to those around him what Lucifer did to Job. Yikes, why can't more people see what King Warren the evil minion of Satan is doing.

Anonymous said...

Street seems to have lost it. D&C 84:40 clearly reads: Therefore, all those who receive the priesthood, receive this oath and covenant of my Father, which he cannot break, neither can it be moved.

But whoso breaketh this covenant after he hath received it, and altogether turneth therefrom, shall not have forgiveness of sins in this world nor in the world to come.


Hmmmmmm, I don't think that this means that this priesthood falls on and off like a coat, every time you tune up Van Halen. It also looks like if you lose the priesthood you are done. Hmmmmmm, I think maybe the Paladin is more correct than street thinks.

just my opinion said...

Street:

Ever heard the phrase, "by thier fruits you shall know them"???

I don't consider myself disfunctional, but I understand enough to know you won't be saved to much without your family...

onthestreet said...

Paladin: You mean Lucifer can demand of God, and knock him around? God did it: "God told Lucifer. . .? Who's in charge, Lucifer, or God? So, if the people today are stripped, you can't blame a Prophet for your own crimes. God does it. "All things under the sun, God doeth" (Ecclesiastics). If you sin, or simply must be tried as Job, then Lucifer is ALLOWED to do his work, not by Warren, but by God. You really put that Prophet Warren Jeffs on a pedistal (where he belongs), to say that he rules Satan, for so he does. "The faithful shall have power even over the evil one."

You say that the Prophet is a minion, and God says "I am that still small voice (minion)." So again, you praise that man supremely. "And even your enemies shall praise you. . ."

You say: "So you are comparing the current strippings to Job. I DO TOO." Okay, you do too. Then do as Job: "Though he slay me, yet will I serve him." If Warren has been an instrument in the hands of God, though he slay you, serve him. "The greatest of all shall be the servant of all."

So you come up with some good points.

Anonymous said...

Street is wasted trying to get back in with Warren, he should be a lawyer. Pritty good at turning a fellow's words against him.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...
Street seems to have lost it. D&C 84:40 clearly reads: Therefore, all those who receive the priesthood, receive this oath and covenant of my Father, which he cannot break, neither can it be moved.

Street's Reply: If you break your covenants by turning on your wife, much less the prophet, then you have broken the seal and promise of God to you, in that covenant. In any contract, when one party breaks it, it is broken. Then there are consequences.

However, for the faithful: "He cannot break it, neither can it be removed." (D&C 84:40).

Do you think you can run roughshod over your family, over God's church, or over God himself, and expect anyone to say: "Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Enter thou into my Kingdom." No, it will be: "Get ye hense. I never knew you," in spite of the former blessings and promises, because you broke them and desecrated them.

If you are in the process of overcoming that, then: "Well done" indeed.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous Said:
Hmmmmmm, I don't think that this means that this priesthood falls on and off like a coat, every time you tune up Van Halen. It also looks like if you lose the priesthood you are done. Hmmmmmm, I think maybe the Paladin is more correct than street thinks.

4/27/2005 6:06 PM


Street's Reply: The power of the Priesthood is the spirit, and when you're not in the spirit, you lose the power thereof. But you're right, God is not to be mocked. If you think you can keep offending, then "The spirit is grieved, and amen to the Priesthood of that man." Also, "The Spirit of God will not always strive with man."

onthestreet said...

Just my opinion Said:

Street:
Ever heard the phrase, "by thier fruits you shall know them"???
I don't consider myself disfunctional, but I understand enough to know you won't be saved to much without your family...

4/27/2005 6:35 PM

Street's Reply: The Lord told the Jews: "I am able to raise up seed from these stones," when the chosen people rejected the prophets and even their Redeemer.
The Jews had family and fruits too, but what did they do, and what did they get?

Anonymous said...

In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. He created man in his own likeness, created he, both Male and Female. On the seventh day God rested.
In that day a man came forth testifieng that there was no God. That an angel had apeared to him, and declared the words of the Prophets false, and demanded of The Prophet a sign.
It was spoken the only sign that you shall see, is the Lord will strike you dumb. And in that hour Corahore was smitten. And did see and mourn. It was lamented in his soul, "Oh that I had repented in my day of probation, and not fought the God of the heavens, and Killed the Prophets.
It is written Laserth, came to a rich mans house. He did beg for the crumbs that fell from the rich mans table. He was mocked and scorned and died. In time the rich man died too. He seen Laserth aways away. He did converse with him, and ask to have a place with him. He began to look about. There was a gulf between him and Laserth. He did mourn at his selfishness. He did say unto God, send Lasereth back to my family. They will believe him. God answered and said, "They did not believe the Prophets when I sent them, but did stone them and kill them, and mock all that was tought. They will not believe Lasereth. And It was written many people did come over the desert to settle california, seeking Gold. The Mormans came seeking freedom from religious persicution, and did view many of the bones, bleached upon the desert, of the Mobbers of the Prophet Joeseph Smith.
And It is written , In that day, mens hearts will fail them. Mother will be against Mother. Father agaist Father. Son agaist son. daughter agaist daughter. state agaist state. city agaist city. county agaist county.
It is written, I will set an ensign to the world. They shall be hated of all people.
And In that day the opressed shall throw off the bonds of opression, and Zion shall put on her beautiful garments, and The Prophet shall subdue nations. There children shall be carried by Kings and Queens. The Lion will lay down its emnity. All animals shall cease there warfare. The nations afare shall beat there weopons of war int o plows. Juda will not vex Ephrium, and Ephrium shall not vex Juda.
The Gospel of Christ started with the Jews. It has been offered to all people. The times of the gentiles is fulfilled. The war of Armigadon has began. It is written, It shall begin in the middle east. It has begun. faimne, hail and earth quake shall wipe the wicked off the face of this earth, Thus sayeth the God of the heavens. I did not right the law. Joeseph did not right the law. He transalated the book of Morman. Moses and the three nephites are still upon the earth. It is written, I the Lord did cause a black skin to fall upon the people, because they are a filthy and degraded people. It is written, tha Laminite people will go through and tread down and none can deliver. This is in reference to the dead Lamonites that Cortess murdered in cold blood. They are reserected beings. They hold the right to stop a person from continueing in there gross evil. All men die. All men are accountable for the deeds you do upon the earth.
I say read the scriptures carefully. Has God ordaned you to plunder persicute and destroy.
Is it written, "Tho shall make laws against a culture or a religion?" Where in the law is it written, you have a right to restrict a person because they are a polygamist? Why you debate religion and what is written, can you find in the teachings of Jesus Christ, where he gives men liberal freedom to hate, and think that God will uphold them. It is written, "How oft would I have gathered you, but you would not." It is written, by obedience and faithfulness to the law of Christ, all aflictions could be turned away. BUT THE PEOPLE WERE A BLOOD THIRSY PEOPLE. And the seventh trump was sounded.
WHO CAN STOP A RIVER. CAN MAN WITH HIS PUNY ARM STOP THIS CHRIST, WHO HAS ALREADY CONCORED DEATH HELL AND THE DEVIL? He did put the law upon the land. You have a choice. To do good or evil. Then the just judgement of your choices is exicuted upon you fully. God will not force a man. The devil can not. All he can do is tempt you to evil. You have to do the act. Therefore, you have your free agency. The devil then does have his free agency to own you, If you choos evil. You are then turned over to the buffitings of Satin and lose the power of repentance. If you do good then God has said,"I will lay claim upon you and you shall have eternal life." Therefore your deeds are justly heaped upon your own heads. And God nor the devil is to blame. You did choose this. And it is written, "Where there worm dieth not." What is the worm. It is the memory of your horrible evil, eating upon your concience. You only take your spirit and memory with you into the next life. And God gave you all in the begining. The earth. Life. the ability to have children. What price would you put on life? Are you so selfish, that you value not the creations of Gods hands. Is it that you have only thought evil continully, and sought the destruction of your brothers. God make us all. You can not escape the law of Christ, Weather you believe it or not. You are evil or good. depending on your choices. You then continue to be what you choose to be. If we love a man, and live a certian culture, WHAT BUSSINESS IS THAT OF YOURS. perfect yourself. Then you will have wisdom to perfect your brother, whom you claim to hate. And to all of you that think celestial people are nateraly abusive, Know absolutly nothing about history. And to thos who say history repeats itself, I hope you consider carefully, you are not the Hitler, The Traitor of Jesus, or the mobber of the Prophet. You claim he has torn apart familys, when he has stopped you from abusing others. Look deep at the things you ae asking God to throw back upon you heads. I have looked at myself and feel to repent.

Anonymous said...

You would think this guy could at least get the spelling right in the items he quotes from written scripture.

Paladin for Truth said...

Mosiah 11

1 And now it came to pass that Zeniff (Rulon) conferred the kingdom upon Noah (Warren), one of his sons; therefore Noah began to reign in his stead; and he did not walk in the ways of his father.

2 For behold, he did not keep the commandments of God, but he did walk after the desires of his own heart. And he had many wives and concubines. And he did cause his people to commit sin, and do that which was abominable in the sight of the Lord. Yea, and they did commit whoredoms and all manner of wickedness.

3 And he laid a tax of one fifth part of all they possessed, a fifth part of their gold and of their silver, and a fifth part of their ziff, and of their copper, and of their brass and their iron; and a fifth part of their fatlings; and also a fifth part of all their grain.

4 And all this did he take to support himself, and his wives and his concubines; and also his priests, and their wives and their concubines; thus he had changed the affairs of the kingdom.

5 For he put down all the priests that had been consecrated by his father, and consecrated new ones in their stead, such as were lifted up in the pride of their hearts.

6 Yea, and thus they were supported in their laziness, and in their idolatry, and in their whoredoms, by the taxes which king Noah had put upon his people; thus did the people labor exceedingly to support iniquity.



Yikes, that pretty much covers it.

Anonymous said...

It covers it except the fact that $1000 a month extorted from the poor people of Short Creek is a WHOLE lot more than 1/5 of their means. In fact, the wages there are quite a bit below average for this area and so, after taxes, that $1000 is pretty much it after taxes. This leaves practically nothing on which to support one's family.
And then the power company, whose rates are about 3 times higher than the rest of the area, can't figure out why nobody pays their bills. Go figure.
So if a man chooses to buy food and diapers for his family (and of course totally ignoring his bills which has created a vast majority of extremely poor credit ratings)then he must go into debt further to pay the monthly extortion. I know personally several men who have borrowed heavily to pay this monthly requirement out of fear of losing their families.
So it seems that Warren has outdone Noah. At least Noah only extracted 1/5 portion. Warren is leaving nothing but the wrung out flesh of the carcasses. He has single-handedly sucked the people dry.
And it gets worse: After these men have indebted themselves to support Warren's insanity, having screwed their credit and left them with NO resources, he kicks them out of their homes and they have to figure out somewhere to live. Now, I don't know how many of you anonymous posters in Short Creek have ever tried to find a house, but I can promise you this: To find shelter, you must have a decent credit rating and some resources set aside for deposit, connecting utilities, etc. And this is just to rent! Don't even THINK about buying unless you have a LARGE pile set aside. So consider this. Most of the men Warren kicked out had no money, no credit, and no resources, having lost their jobs in the process. Pretty scary, huh?
Don't think it won't happen to you. It will. So start saving now or prepare to defy the orders to move.
And don't get any further into debt to support this maniac.

Anonymous said...

THE TRUTH HURTS WARRENITES, BUT THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
YOU WOULD BE WISE TO LISTEN TO MR. ANONYMOUS 10:47 AM, SEEMS THEY SPEAKS FROM EXPERIENCE!
LADY IN RED

Anonymous said...

10:47

Amen and Amen. So is the truth. and it goes on from there.

WOSWHM

Paladin for Truth said...

Alma 32:5 And they came unto Alma; and the one who was the foremost among them said unto him: Behold, what shall these my brethren do, for they are despised of all men because of their poverty, yea, and more especially by our priests; for they have cast us out of our synagogues which we have labored abundantly to build with our own hands; and they have cast us out because of our exceeding poverty; and we have no place to worship our God; and behold, what shall we do?

http://scriptures.lds.org/alma/32

Read the rest of this chapter and all will see that King Warren and his priests can't kick you out of church, they can't take the sacrement and emblems of Christ away from you. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is for all men who want to live it. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is neither owned nor controlled by King Warren.

Anonymous said...

To all occupants on UEP Trust land:

"Prepare to defy orders to move." Maybe it's about time you learned something from the "smart" beneficiaries and stood your ground.

If you havn't learned anything else about your rights as beneficiaries from this blog just look around and count the homeowners who have stood their ground and said, "Hell no, we won't go." They are the ones who are still in their homes and are proving to all that the legal defense of Unjust Enrichment works.

If it worked for those who led the way it will work for you. No Court of law is going to enforce Warren's unlawful detainer actions at this point--with all the legal precedent that has been established for the class of beneficiaries. So spread the word--No more evictions will be tolorated or recognized.

Do not vacate your homes under any circumstances. The law is not on Warren's side and he has run away to hide.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I guess we could have stuck around, but to what end? To be shunned, ignored, and mistreated by those who used to be our friends because they are PETRIFIED that if they treat us right, they will be next? To have everyone turn their backs to us and treat our children horribly?
And on top of that, to pay electricity rates that are astronomical for the privelige of driving on muddy, bumpy roads because no money is being spent on improving Colorado City?
No thanks. It was actually quite a relief to move away. The amount we saved on our power bill alone pays for 1/2 the rent. And what we save in extortion pays for more than the rest.
Not to mention that nobody spits on our children or calls them apostates here. Come on in, the water's fine!

Paladin for Truth said...

The description that Anon 11:03 gave reminds me of something I read in the Book of Jasher 19:

25 And a poor man came into the city to seek a maintenance, and he remained in the city some days, and all the people of Sodom (Warren) caused a proclamation of their custom not to give this man a morsel of bread to eat, until he dropped dead upon the earth, and they did so.

26 And Paltith the daughter of Lot saw this man lying in the streets starved with hunger, and no one would give him any thing to keep him alive, and he was just upon the point of death.

27 And her soul was filled with pity on account of the man, and she fed him secretly with bread for many days, and the soul of this man was revived.

28 For when she went forth to fetch water she would put the bread in the water pitcher, and when she came to the place where the poor man was, she took the bread from the pitcher and gave it him to eat; so she did many days.

29 And all the people of Sodom and Gomorrah wondered how this man could bear starvation for so many days.

30 And they said to each other, This can only be that he eats and drinks, for no man can bear starvation for so many days or live as this man has, without even his countenance changing; and three men concealed themselves in a place where the poor man was stationed, to know who it was that brought him bread to eat.

31 And Paltith daughter of Lot went forth that day to fetch water, and she put bread into her pitcher of water, and she went to draw water by the poor man's place, and she took out the bread from the pitcher and gave it to the poor man and he ate it.

32 And the three men saw what Paltith did to the poor man, and they said to her, It is thou then who hast supported him, and therefore has he not starved, nor changed in appearance nor died like the rest.

33 And the three men went out of the place in which they were concealed, and they seized Paltith and the bread which was in the poor man's hand.

34 And they took Paltith and brought her before their judges, and they said to them, Thus did she do, and it is she who supplied the poor man with bread, therefore did he not die all this time; now therefore declare to us the punishment due to this woman for having transgressed our law.

35 And the people of Sodom and Gomorrah assembled and kindled a fire in the street of the city, and they took the woman and cast her into the fire and she was burned to ashes.


And this from Chapter 18:

11 In those days all the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, and of the whole five cities, were exceedingly wicked and sinful against the Lord and they provoked the Lord with their abominations, and they strengthened in aging abominably and scornfully before the Lord, and their wickedness and crimes were in those days great before the Lord.

12 And they had in their land a very extensive valley, about half a day's walk, and in it there were fountains of water and a great deal of herbage surrounding the water.

13 And all the people of Sodom and Gomorrah went there four times in the year, with their wives and children and all belonging to them, and they rejoiced there with timbrels and dances.

14 And in the time of rejoicing they would all rise and lay hold of their neighbor's wives, and some, the virgin daughters of their neighbors, and they enjoyed them, and each man saw his wife and daughter in the hands of his neighbor and did not say a word.

15 And they did so from morning to night, and they afterward returned home each man to his house and each woman to her tent; so they always did four times in the year.



Yikes, I hope the people in Colorado City can see where things are headed, if they keep listening to King Warren.

Anonymous said...

Hey, where is Street, You are gettin yer butt wiped here. Come on Street, your master Whorrin, I mean Warren, needs you to defend him with your great intellect, don't fail him down now.

Anonymous said...

What in the heck is the Book of Jasher? It ain't in any book of scripture that I recognize.

Anonymous said...

Is that like quoting the Book of Moses to a Catholic? You can get away with it fine. They have never read the Bible, and they just assume it must be in there.

Timid Tom said...

Nope! You won't recognize what some of these folks call marriage, either. You and I would call it adultery. They call it celestial.
As for the book of Jasher, well that's just something ol' Joe made up to mislead his mindless followers.

onthestreet said...

Anonymous said...What in the heck is the Book of Jasher? It ain't in any book of scripture I recognize.
4/29/2005 6:01 PM

Jasher, a book of 'songs': Not any book of scripture? Try Joshua and Second Samual. There you have it. You'll find it there.

onthestreet said...

"So the sun stood still. . . Is this not written in the Book of Jasher"? (Joshue 10:13).

"And he told them to teach the children of Judah the Song of the 'Bow'. Indeed, it is written in the Book of Jasher."(2 Sam.1:18)

Anonymous said...

aND THE STEM OF jESSE, SHALL subdue THE NATION WITH HIS LIPS. And they shall say, let us not go up against Zion. And emnity will cease from off the face of the earth.

Anonymous said...

If you listen to the tapes that Warren made about ancient history, you will find he quotes a lot from the Book of Jasher.

Paladin for Truth said...

Section 134 Doctrine and Covenants

10 We believe that all religious societies have a right to deal with their members for disorderly conduct, according to the rules and regulations of such societies; provided that such dealings be for fellowship and good standing; but we do not believe that any religious society has authority to try men on the right of property or life, to take from them this world’s goods, or to put them in jeopardy of either life or limb, or to inflict any physical punishment upon them. They can only excommunicate them from their society, and withdraw from them their fellowship.

11 We believe that men should appeal to the civil law for redress of all wrongs and grievances, where personal abuse is inflicted or the right of property or character infringed, where such laws exist as will protect the same; but we believe that all men are justified in defending themselves, their friends, and property, and the government, from the unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot be made to the laws, and relief afforded.



Hmmmmmm, staying on your property and telling King Warren to leave you alone does not sound so bad, after all, Joseph Smith says Warren can't kick you off of your property. You would think that if King Warren truly followed in the footsteps of Joseph Smith and was talking with him, as he claims, he should know this.

Anonymous said...

Yes, and Joseph Smith also provided for a hearing before anyone was disfellowshipped or excommunicated, according to the laws of the Church. Yet when one man who was kicked out requested a hearing, his plea was ignored and he remains without any response to this day.
Not very Christlike, or even resembling Brother Joseph at all. Hmmm.

Anonymous said...

not just one man without a hearing, hundreds without hearings; not even knowing themselves what great evil they have committed. SUCH JUSTICE!
when I made the covenant it was for TIME AND ALL OF ETERNITY not all next week. You people make God to be a Liar, and the Prophets false Prophets. Street needs to not mention things he knows nothing about; but, it's like an emty container: makes a lot of noise.

onthestreet said...

Pladin Said: Hmmmmmm, staying on your property and telling King Warren. . . 4/29/2005 10:33 PM

Street's Reply: JS was talking to the faithful. . . You can't be kicked off IF FAITHFUL, see. The promises that Christ and all his prophets made were to the faithful, and on condition of faithfulness. The tauntings and the denials of truths were for the rebellious and unfaithful. See?

Anonymous said...

sooooo, are you saying that you are rebellious and unfaithful? Because YOU were kicked off. And if you are rebellious and unfaithful, does that mean that all of the froth and plather you have spewed forth on this blog are lies? Because aren't the rebellious and unfaithful liars by definition?

onthestreet said...

Me, rebellious and unfaithful? Well, I could lie. Yes, I was asked to leave, and like every person so required, without exception, it was for good reason. I've searched my soul, and I feel to repent. If that serves to benefit another soul in any way, besides my own, then to God be the praise for that. Then, in the heavens, we will rejoice together.

Anonymous said...

Yes, you could lie. And you do frequently. Only you do it so badly. You are so desperate to justify all this b**sh*** in your mind that you lie to yourself and everyone on this blog every time you sign on. So repent already. Don't you know that one of the things Warren has required is the relinquishing of the use of the internet? REPENT!!!

Anonymous said...

Warren has sent street away because his heart is not pure. The first sign of an unpure heart is losing the ability to tell the truth.

Anonymous said...

I quess you people did not like the rain. Enjoy the heat. Pheonix has record bearing heat. Keep fighting. God will deliver up to you as you desire. You asked. SO SHALL IT BE!

onthestreet said...

Hi Ruthy. Yes, we like both, for the two join together to create life, yes? Good to see ya.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Fruity, Darwin has a theory of how life was created too.

NAME

onthestreet said...

Right, and that too involved heat and rain. No mere theory or monkey business about that, right? Besides, how does the fruit of "Fruity" grow without the gentle wind and the joyful lake (heat and rain)?