Saturday, March 05, 2005

Polygamy Summit in St. George

Polygasaurus Tex wrote:

What happened at the St. George summit? We're not hearing much down here in Texas. Did Blackmore come down from Canada? Somebody up there give us some feedback.

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

The St. George summit was nothing more than a meeting of officials on what to do about this whole situation. They spent quite some time hashing things out and when they were finished, were practically right back where they started. I do think it was a step in the right direction, but to really get this sorted out fast it's gonna take alot more than just a meeting. Winston Blackmore still lives with his fathful followers in Canada, and did not come down for the summit. He is one of the most down to earth, fun-loving guys I have ever met.

Anonymous said...

beiing fun loving what a epetaph and sa far sa the summit it was no peek listened to the hole thing. form one who lives the law it is a bunch of nonsence i have lived here all my life and will live it to the end

signed

living in short creek and loving it

Anonymous said...

If you think all that is happening in UT and AZ to these people is ok,,What are you going to do when someone with big bucks decides to get a lawyer and come take away all that you have worked for... Buy a judge and break up a trust that you have set up for your children or whatever, and just because that person has a grudge, the judge awards him all that he wants, If he can do it in colorado city, he can do it to you too,, think well before you applaud all that the UT and AZ A G's and other politicians have decided to do to a group of people, just because they are different.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunantly, you're going to lose your land either way. Warren has Mortgaged the UEP land in Colorado City, some other folks are openly selling quite a few acres. You think he's going to hang out in Texas and still pay the bills up there? You're going to be living on land owned by a bank in no time. And they usually don't let you stay. Thank your prophet for that one.

CaptJack said...

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0306polygamy06.html

Read it...

Anonymous said...

http://www.counterpunch.org/mazur03082005.html

another link on summit

Anonymous said...

In regard to UEP assets, the unfortunate reality is this. The people who allowed Warren Jeffs to obtain control of their homes and businesses are the ones who are responsible for the predicament they're in. They had sufficient opportunity to join a civil law suit several years ago that protested the theft of their property, but they refused.

Now they are concerned about assets they gave away to the maniac who is selling their inheritance for his Texas adventure. They can still save their homes by supporting the effort to reorganize the management of the trust and stop the bleeding of assets to Texas.

The unjust enrichment claim won in the the previous lawsuit protects the beneficiary's and no one needs to lose their home if they will just stay put and not abandon their life's efforts.

Maybe now the "sheep" will be able to see that it is their responsibility to choose and control their destiny and not give up what little brains they have to a "one man" shephard.

Anonymous said...

Winston was there for the Summit. The best method for resolving this sensational issue is to throw Warren Jeffs in jail for a very long time.

WKB said...

Howdy Polygasaurus Tex. Winston B. did go to the summit and enjoyed it very much. As far as the UEP is concerned, it was organized in 1942 as a place of safety for those who believed enough in their religion to not only live what they believed, but to build their homes on the trust property, thus consecrating all their time, efforts, and means into adding value to what would ultimately be for them a place of safety for their families, presumably forever. The trustees, on the other hand, were to be servants of the people, seeing to it that their consecrations were safely held for those who built the thing,and who enjoyed the benefits of living on it's land. It was never intended to persecute the people who built it. Having served as a trustee from Feb.86 to 2002, and having served under both Pres. Johnson and Jeffs, and having had many personal conversations with both of them regarding the intent of the UEP, I can safely say that the original intentions of that sacred organization have been prostituted. The AG's have more vision than our visionaries, for their interest is to see to it that no one has their life's efforts wantonly wasted by those who never contributed a thing. When the UEP is secure again for those who spent their lives building it, it will be a happy day to extend a trustees invitation to all of those who have been wasted, robbed and disenfranchised from the very organization that they believed would bless them forever. The UEP. I don't care who believes what, or who follows who. When something is not right, it doesn't take an old dinosaur to detect it. Every thinking person can see it.

Polygasaurus Tex said...

Thanks for the history lesson WKB. Glad to hear you were in St. George.

Is this Warren Jeffs guy really as scary as we hear? It seems to me that our new neighbors at the YFZ would be well advised to kick him out.

WKB said...

I think you guys should keep him. He won't hurt anyone??? After all, in his mind he has only blest those poor souls that he has stripped of their families, their homes, their livelihood. They certainly won't be out proselyting. What you guys should do is figure out how to start selling them things. Even holy people need to eat, build, repair and so forth. Sell them some good Texas beef, and every other thing you can think of. They obviously have money. Go get some of it.

Anonymous said...

hey wink if your so hard against warren why dont you give your wives back they came from the flds eneyway

Anonymous said...

Ya but most of them asked if they could marry him, because he's so down to earth and not so fanatic. It was their choice to stay with him.

Anonymous said...

i think that those people need some serious prayers sent their way they are following a mad man and dont know how to get off his run away train.
there are so many good people being hurt , if nothing else do it for the children!

wkb said...

I am a Fundamentalist LDS. One of our fundamental principles is to keep our wives to ourselves and leave everyone elses alone. To give them back is just as silly as writing checks on someone elses bank account. I am not hard set against Warren. I think he should remember the teachings of his father and the fundamental principles of our Mormon faith. If he did then all the rest of you folks would be able to sleep better at night.

Anonymous said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
weblog administrator said...

The fact that this is an open blog that allows annonymous comments makes it essential that posters refrain from profanity. This forum is too important to see it closed. Please follow the rules

Anonymous said...

I will tell you what happened at the sumit. There was a certian group, that tried to force the attorney general's to assasinate all the people in colorado sity and hildale utah. They had what it took to say no. Also, there was an attemt to steal Warren Jeffs land, and put it into other's hand's. The one's who want to destroy Us, for our religion. and third, this attempt also was thawerted. The district attorney's and the general attorney decided it was in their best interest, to take individual cases, in law, as they were presented, and hold to law, where in law, is not a law against law. Anti, polygamy law, is a law against law, and as monogamy is a minority in america, it is hard to prosicute, based on pollygamy alone. One person pointed out: Oh, good, we are crimnal's. Put a fence around us, and let the government pay our tax. This is what they do with crimnal's, why good upright american's are shipped of to be shot in another country. It was decided by all party's, it was not in the best interest to shoot us. Waco murder's may have been easy to over look, but the murder of ten thousand women and children would be hard to over look. we have no gun's. If the government wants to murder us, because we sing, and love and worship our god, or even each other, well I guess we will all be dead, and in heaven, why the poor murdering fool's will be left to hell.

Anonymous said...

Woah, where did your info come from? I was there also and not one word was said about anyone killing anyone. You have truly lost your mind! Of coarse everyone has their rights. We are not trying to take that away from you. There are laws that have been in practice since the start of this nation, that you do not abide by. That is what needs to change, not your religion. Come down off your fanatic "neverland" and then post on this site.

Anonymous said...

To 1:05 AM I was also an eye witness to the Polygamy sumit in St. George and your information is twisted and wrong. I don't believe you were there in person. My guess is that you went to the following Saturday work project meeting and listened to Sam Barlow's version of what happened and he most likely had it "revealed" to him by his prophet, Warren Jeffs. If I were you, I would trust only your own personal knowledge of what happened. Sam Barlow frequently changes and twists the facts and reports them to you with his and Warren's agenda in mind. I remember once, after we lost the court case of Stubbs vs UEP, Sam got up and told us we had won. It wasn't until later I found out the real truth of what happened.

Anonymous said...

To 9:41 PM:

"You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."

So you finally found out that Sam is a congenital liar. It's been obvious all along, just look at his nose--it's called the Pinochio syndrome.

Because of the litigation "Williams v UEP & Stubbs v UEP" no one is a "Tenant at will." You all have the right to claim "Unjust Enrichment" for the improvements you created.

Don't listen to Sam's lies. During the law suit Sam was paid $4000.00 a month of your money to work with the attorney's to disqualify your beneficial interest in the Trust.

A handful of heroes won the law suit for you and now you don't have to vacate your homes when Sam tells you to leave. In fact, if you have any integrity left after mortgaging your minds to Warren and his cohorts, you would tell Sam to go to his home, in hell.

Anonymous said...

4:07 am. You are absolutely right and I for one acknowledge a debt of gratitude to those who went before, though I couldn't see the truth at the time.
How about I stretch some of my recently acquired freedom.
Sam Barlow,you can go to hell as far as i'm concerned.
That felt purty darn good.

I have mortgaged my mind to Warren and his cohorts as you pointed out.Starting today i'm going to repay my debt to society as best I can.I'll begin by telling all of you that I am sorry and I mean it from the bottom of my heart.


That felt even better than telling Sam he could go to hell.


















ruth at the time.

Anonymous said...

There is no reason to say sorry Ruth. I too was in your shoes once. I saw omly one side of the story and shunned anyone who beleived different. After I was kicked out and could see the whole picture, I felt really bad of the way I treated those who were now very kind to me and were helping me make the transition from "fanatic doctrine" to living your beleifs, but still keeping your feet on the ground. I hope you get the same kind of help I did. Don't be ashamed for one second. I admire your courage, keep smiling and your spirits up!

Found Lost Boy

Anonymous said...

To found lost boy and liberated Ruth:

I am the 4:07 AM poster. The thirteen year litigation was a costly and painful struggle indeed.

We saw the UEP Trust recharacterized, then revised and amended, until the final product of the attorney's was nothing like the original Declaration of Trust.

We also saw men whom we once respected as brothers, change the gospel of love into the gospel of power and advantage. The only thing we were trying to do as plaintiffs, was fight for the rights of the beneficiaries for whom the Trust was created in the first place.

As the dust settles now from the last twenty years of change and trial, one thing is certain. What we had before, during those innocent years of truth, was a precious and genuine love for each other, and "The Work."

The apostate FLDS Church that has changed the Trust into an oppressive and corrupt tool to rule the people, is now being exposed for the fraud that it is, and the real Warren Jeffs has been discovered.

Rejoice in the truth that has made you free. But always remember the good that once was in our sacred valley. The good that comes from truth. The good that can be again if good people step forward for freedom's cause.

Anonymous said...

I will point out, to the one who used my name, Warren Jeffs has not lost his land. WE, the U. E. P. did not forfiet or comprimise. You are the one who turned from what you believe. The united efort plan, has always had it's enimies. There are some who wanted leadership, other's wanted imorality and santions on our land. You say a court gave you the right to be there. I say the court went against the law. It was owned By people who asked you to leave. It is known by all, that this is a corporation set up, to protect the ones who want to believe the way we choose to do. I will point out, Uncle Warren Teaches the same as Uncle Rulon, Uncle Roy, JohnY. Barlow, Lorin Wooly, John Wooly, John Taylor, Brigham Young, and Joeseph Smith. Aside from the land dispute, you have also had dwellings to live upon. If you think you have been cheated, of Leadership, go see if God will give you ten thousand people to love. Better yet, start with the ones around you. Love them. See if you can find it in your heart to generate positivity, instead of insults. I know God gives to all that ask. He does give acording to your desires. I do not follow a man blindly. I have a testomonie, in Jesus Christ. I can find no-where where it is written, Tho shall hate your brother, and slander his name. I do not and never have thought there was any who are lost. God has accounted for all humanity. He said even the hair on thy head is numbered. I Loved Warren Jeffs then. I love Warren Jeffs now. As to calling Sam Barlow names, I never have. I do not judge him. I know that what happened to me, was not right. I have laid my burden upon the hands of Jesus. He is the giver of life. He is the giver of Judgement. He is the giver of mercy. he is the giver of all gifts. I petition him, for my right's, and wish peace for all my fellow men. I will say I was at the summet. The entire thing was recorded. A copy was sent to Warren Jeffs. It is no secret, the intent of some people. There was a represenitive of every culture there. It was the most controlled free sumet, I have ever witnessed. I am beginning to think that american's out sike of Warren Jeffs church, have no clue what Free, means. To smoke? To chew tobacco? to sleep around outside a covnent? To critazise? To spread Lies? To pay taxes? To grind your nose to a government that takes your money, and harrasses you for a tx pitant? Who of you realy own your land? who of you get any thing for free? the beggers. Are you free, because a man can publicly starve his wife to death? this women was not on life suport. They say she died a peaceful death, in his arms. Have you ever watched a person starve to death? there is no peace in it. When the twin towers were bombed, all they had to do was put the chain's on american's. Is this freedom? When the war started there was a big media show, with trumpets and horns to show the streanth of america. who now does come home in body bags? was there life free? was it free to the one's on american soil, that recieved a call, that there family member was dead. In the branch dividian murders, was this free? The rain falls free upon us. Men do imedatly scramble to put a price on the gift of God. Our days are numbered. In Gods hand it the hours of our life. I want to live so I can sit with him, quilt Free. It is better to be assulted, than to assult. It is better to be cheated than to cheat. It is better to be killed than to kill. I stand my ground. I LOVE WARREN JEFFS. I hope you find some one to love. hate is sensless!

Anonymous said...

to 4:07, Ruth
I am glad to know that you have acknowleded the truth to yourself. that following Warren's teachings are not for you. It gives me hope that some day my friends and family that still adhere to his way of life will wake up and see where they are truly headed and that we who they regard as apostates are not trying to mock their faith or their love of God but to make them understand that when you love a man so totally that you allow him to play with your salvation,without thinking through each new revelation, then you are following man and not God.

Anonymous said...

anon. 3:43 p.m., I would like to comment on these paragraphs that I copied and pasted out of your blog, please respond and explain your views also:

"It is known by all, that this is a corporation set up, to protect the ones who want to believe the way we choose to do."

If this is the case, why is Warren booting men from their homes and stealing their families away from them, and then not telling them WHY he did it? because of "revelation"?! Most of them were living their lives the best they kney how, and had no idea they were doing something "wrong" in Warren's clouded over eyes.


"To smoke? To chew tobacco? to sleep around outside a covnent? To critazise? To spread Lies? To pay taxes? To grind your nose to a government that takes your money, and harrasses you for a tx pitant?"

Again, these are personal CHOICES people make in their lives. Not all American's partake of these bad habits, and are encouraged not to do so. They are well informed what they are doing to themselves. There is a need and a place for taxes, everyone should agree. Yes, it has gotten out of hand of recent, and unless some drastic measures are taken, they will only raise more, but that is getting away from my main point here.

who now does come home in body bags? was there life free? was it free to the one's on american soil, that recieved a call, that there family member was dead.

I see here in this paragraph that you do not have respect for the lives of the men that have protected your freedom as a United States citizen. They VOLONTEERED, knowing that their lives were at stake to protect the great nation our forefathers set up long ago. If you were to talk to family members of any American soldier that has fallen in the call of duty, yes they would be devastated and heartbroken, but they have respect for their family member who gave his life for their sake. Now am I someone who is for war? Of coarse not! War is a terrible thing, but when push comes to shove, and terrorist groups harm us on our own soil, it's time to show them who's boss. I am saddened by your dissrespect.

I LOVE WARREN JEFFS. I hope you find some one to love. hate is sensless!

Yes, hate is senseless. It is an emotion, something Warren has long been trying to do away with. But LOVE is also an emotion, along with fear, happiness, ect. Warren's definition of love is so twisted that you don't realize that love usually has to work both ways. How do you know that he loves you back? Has he given you a few young wives? maybe that is how you feel loved. Quite frankly, you are just another pawn, blindly marching forward why he, the king, hides behind the skirts of the queen, or queens in his case. We all have someone, or something to love, even if it be a dog. Keep smilin but remember that we are all human, yes, even your "God" on earth, Warren, and his glory days are very few numbered. His "ten-thousand" followers have diminished to a number more realatively half of that, and even more will start to realize how far he has gone in the opposite dirrection of the past prophets. Another note, most of his followers aren't even old enough to know what is going on, whick is very very sad.

Anonymous said...

In reading some of these blogs, I can see why people would think that all FLDS polgymasts are illiterate people who don't make sense.I just want to say WE are not ALL like that.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Warren's Love is calculated in Dollars?

Warren believes the same as previous prophets? Uncle Roy is probably turning over in his grave now for the way Warren has frivolously treated sacred marriage covenants.
A man that bleeds the elderly of their fixed incomes is a true profit for sure. I have seen this personally so anyone that chooses to argue this is not true then I challenge you to ask the elderly of the community how much they have had to give.

ex creeker said...

I don’t think Warren reads this blog, or he would immediately tell his followers to burn his schools and enroll their rugrats in a public school. Then they might receive a proper education. Please don’t blame hurried typing , I’ve heard that one before. Principal Warren must be proud of his flock now!

Anonymous said...

Oh, man! I knew it was too good to be true! Not only did Ruth suddenly wake up and start to exercise her mind or what's left of it, she also miraculously learned how to spell and give SHORT diatribes instead of long ones. And now we find out that somebody put words in her mouth. Tsk tsk.

Anonymous said...

Oh I am SO embarrassed! It would seem that everyone who has something positive to say about Warren can't spell or construct grammatically correct sentences to save their souls. It's a good thing all they have to do is turn in all their money to do that.

Maybe that's why I was kicked out. Too much education. I could read, and read between the lines. Terrible crimes and high treason!

Anonymous said...

mock on little ones.

Anonymous said...

man I hear that quote a lot on here. What does it have to do with anything! Those who say it must put themselves WAY above everyone else, or truly are a giant among men.

Anonymous said...

To 3:55 PM:

Yep. You got that right.

Those who can't think and reason for themselves and abandon their family's at the drop of Uncle Warren's hat are definitely yesterday's giants--with little ones . . .

However, those who've moved to Texas might learn something from the good ole boys and eventually grow some big ones when they finally get tired of the deja vu failed prophecies . . .

Look out Warren, the flock can also mock . . .

Anonymous said...

I have a confession to make.I posted the 9:42 pm post.

I erased some stuff i,d written and rewrote it.Then Iposted without previewing it.The previous stuff i,d written ended with "Truth at the time".
It posted as "ruth at the time" leaving off the T and I didn,t know how to fix it.Thats why it was so far down the bottom of the page.I posted anonymosly of course.Don't blame me,i'd just told sam barlow to go to hell.
I had no idea it would creat such a ruckus.

I sincerely apologize to all the Ruth,s out their that may have been offanded.

After I read all the posts underneath it,makes me wonder if there is no such things as accidents.They were very revealing posts.
anonymous.